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[at-l] Re: at-l Digest, Vol 1, Issue 22
- Subject: [at-l] Re: at-l Digest, Vol 1, Issue 22
- From: rainmaker at onlinexpress.net (Wayne Bell)
- Date: Fri May 30 13:00:15 2003
- References: <20030529164658.D4635B6206@edina.hack.net>
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Mirror site for messages (Marielle and Paul)
> 2. Enota Mountain Retreat (KellyGoVols@aol.com)
> 3. Re: SORUCK - reposted (hike-usa@pocketmail.com)
> 4. Re: NEW HIKING IN PA QUESTION- QUARRY GAP (Rich, Timothy D.)
> 5. Central Virginia (David S.)
> 6. Harpers Ferry to Duncannon Trip Report - Day 2 (Papa Bear)
> 7. A.T. in August (David S.)
> 8. Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Jack James)
> 9. Shuttle from Kent CT to Lee MA (Jack James)
> 10. Bryce Canyon photos (Timothy Scott)
> 11. RE: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (J Bryan Kramer)
> 12. Re: SORUCK - reposted (Matt Pulsts)
> 13. RE: Coincidences or Trail magic or ??? (Shane)
> 14. WElP (Felix)
> 15. Hammock Camping Newsletter for June (WSpeer1161@aol.com)
> 16. Re: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Bob C.)
> 17. RE: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (L. Clayton Parker)
> 18. Re[2]: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Bob C.)
> 19. Re: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Charles Frank)
> 20. Aurora watch until may 30th (J Bryan Kramer)
> 21. Re: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Jim Bullard)
> 22. Re: Aurora watch until may 30th (Jim Bullard)
> 23. RE: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (J Bryan Kramer)
> 24. RE: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (L. Clayton Parker)
> 25. RE: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Ronald Moak)
> 26. Re: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (jcraig5@comcast.net)
> 27. Re[2]: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Bob C.)
> 28. Re[3]: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Bob C.)
> 29. Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (W F Thorneloe)
> 30. Re: WElP (The Wizard)
> 31. Thruhikers in the news (Snodrog5@aol.com)
> 32. Re: WElP (Snodrog5@aol.com)
> 33. DEER TICK REMOVAL AND ADVICE. (Steve Adams)
> 34. RE: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (Mark)
> 35. AT Hike Report: Day 23 (ARTCLOUTMN@aol.com)
> 36. AT Hike Report: Day 24 (ARTCLOUTMN@aol.com)
> 37. Re: Tyvek as a Ground Cloth (ken bennett)
> 38. RE: Shuttle from Kent CT to Lee MA (Rich, Timothy D.)
> 39. Re: Smokies privies (Bob McCaw)
> 40. The Place (Watuwando2@cs.com)
> 41. The Place (Watuwando2@cs.com)
> 42. Umbrellas? (Papa Bear)
> 43. The Place (Steve Adams)
> 44. "Inn keeper" of Quarry Gap Shelters, Pennsylvania (Papa Bear)
> 45. RE: The Place (Watuwando2@cs.com)
> 46. RE: Umbrellas? (Shane)
> 47. RE: RE: The Place (Watuwando2@cs.com)
> 48. Umbrellas? (Steve Adams)
> 49. RE: Umbrellas? (Shane)
> 50. Re: Umbrellas? (Kurt Cedergren)
> 51. Re: Umbrellas? (KellyGoVols@aol.com)
> 52. Fiftieth Anniversary of Hillary On Everest (Snodrog5@aol.com)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:07:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Marielle and Paul <hikers99@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Mirror site for messages
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20030528170752.72635.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I just noticed that there is a mirror of AT_L at yahoo
> groups.
>
> I found it very useful for finding messages from
> earlier in the month.
>
> It also allowed me to see messages before my digest
> version of AT_L arrived.
>
> PA (MA & PA 99)
>
> http://www.hikers99.homestead.com/
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:14:31 EDT
> From: KellyGoVols@aol.com
> Subject: [at-l] Enota Mountain Retreat
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <d0.3a11ce04.2c064877@aol.com>
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>
> I called Enota to check prices and they faxed me the following:
>
> Conference and Retreat Prices:
>
> Includes:
> Lodging
> 3 meals per day in Dining Hall
> Linen and Towels in Cabins - No Linen or Towels in Retreat Houses ($3
linen,
> $2 Towels extra)
> Covered pavilion, outdoor kitchen, small TV room, hiking trails,
waterfalls,
> streams and playground area.
>
> Cabin and Retreat Houses - Full occupancy - 2 per bed (except bunks),
> including sleeper sofas:
> # of People Per Person Per Night
> 91-50 $65
> 81-90 $70
> 71-80 $75
> 61-70 $80
> 51-60 $85
> 41-50 $90
>
> Under 40 people:
> Retreat Houses Only with pillow (linens and towels extra $65.00 per
person
> per night (48 capacity)
>
> Cabins - including linen and towels:
> - Full Occupancy Cabins (2 per bed including sleeper sofas) $75 per person
> per night (69 capacity)
> - Double Occupancy Cabins - two per bed, no sleeper sofa used, shared bath
> $100 per night. (61 capacity)
> - Single Occupancy - one bed per person (shared cabins, shared bath shared
> bedrooms, shared sleeper sofas) $125 per person per night (39 capacity)
> - Own Room (Shared Cabins, shared bath) $ 150 per person per night (15
> capacity)
> - One Room Cabin Price (one room with bedroom and private bath $175 (8
> capacity)
>
> Payment Policy
> 20% + $500 Security/.Damage Deposit with signed contract (including
> headcount) If the headcount number decreases, you will be responsible for
paying for
> your headcount or $15 extra per person per night, whichever you choose.
> 30% due six weeks prior, final headcount required.
> 50% due 30 days prior, based on final headcount - $20 per person late fee
for
> added headcount changes.
>
> Car Pass
> 1 pass per 4 people - $2/day per additional vehicle. Please carpool to
> conserve resources and preserve Enota land
>
> Cancellation & Refund Policy
> Cacellation for any reason forfeits all funds paid
>
> Credit card use for payment
> 4% addiional charge for use ofa credit card for group payments
>
> INDIVIDUAL BREAKDOWN PER PERSON
> Accomodations - 2 night minimum (25% surcharge less than minimum)
>
> Cabin $35 full capacity - linens and towels provided
> Retreeat House $35-$30 (linens and rowels $5 per night extra
> Tent site $20
> Pop-up site $25
> RV site $30
> Tipi $25 (4 people per tipi)
> Yome $25 (4 people per yome)
>
> Lodge Meeting Room & Pavilion
> $10 per person per day for 10 hours of use (may not leave items overnight
and
> a minimum may be required.
>
> Meals
> $25 -$35 per person per day. The difference in price is the quality of
food
> desired. Includes use of dining room for meals.
>
> Trash Removal
> $50 per even
>
> Cleaning/Damage Deposit
> $500 due before arrival and may not be deducted from the total fee due.
> Refunded after departure when facilities hae been cleaned and checked.
>
> Seperate Rentals
> $1 per person per hour for each facility ( mimimum may be required)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:15:43 PST
> From: hike-usa@pocketmail.com
> Subject: Re: [at-l] SORUCK - reposted
> To: "t." <tfort@jam.rr.com>, <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <200305281715.h4SHFi000857@www-002.pocketmail.com>
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> T. <tfort@jam.rr.com> wrote :
>
> what dates?
>
>
> pittsburgh reponds -
>
> the traditional SORUCK date is Martin Luther King Weekend, which
> in 2004 will be January 16-19 (fri-sat-sun-mon)...
>
> pittsburgh and family
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:19:48 -0400
> From: "Rich, Timothy D." <TRich@FDIC.gov>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] NEW HIKING IN PA QUESTION- QUARRY GAP
> To: "'at-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <205AF66F4431D4118CD10060B068AA7F040377FA@s02exc101.fdic.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Greetings,
>
> I can't remember the direction, but that stretch runs by one or perhaps
two
> abandoned villages. I believe they were mining and logging villages that
> died when the resource played out...
>
> Take Care,
>
> Tim
>
> "What we call Man's power over Nature turns out to be a power exercised by
> some men over other men with Nature as its instrument."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Kurt Cedergren <onestep4me@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Now..., does anyone know what the "ruins" are/where that are located
> about a mile or so south of the shelter?
>
> Onestep
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:42:38 -0400
> From: "David S." <davids@teratech.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Central Virginia
> To: AT-L <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <3ED5031E.3060104@teratech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm currently planning a trip in August from Rockfish Gap to Pearisburg,
> probably averaging a leisurely 10-12 miles per day. I've reviewed the
> trail maps, companion, and databook, and other literature.
>
> I know temperatures here in DC around the same time are hot and humid -
> will the weather be comfortable enough for hiking? Stream levels okay
> in August?
>
> Has anyone stayed at the 4 Pines Hostel near Catawba? Any information?
>
> Any other advice you can offer on this section is much appreciated.
> It'd be nice to go from 470 miles done to 700.
>
> Six2
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:13:49 -0400
> From: "Papa Bear" <papabear.nyc@verizon.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Harpers Ferry to Duncannon Trip Report - Day 2
> To: "AT-List" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <00c101c3254d$45671980$6401a8c0@richard>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Weather: morning temperature 65?, cloudy with fog.
>
> When I planned my daily hiking for this trip I laid out two alternatives:
a
> 10 day plan and an 11 day plan. The 11 day plan had slightly shorter
> distances so that it would stretch out over one more day. Both plans had
> the Ed Garvey Shelter as the first day's spot, but the second day would
> either be at the Rocky Run Shelter (just over 9 miles) or the Dahlgren
> backpacker area (around 11 miles). Since it was likely to be wet, I opted
> for the shorter distance, firstly to have a shelter over my head if it
> rained, and secondly to keep the daily hiking distances modest for the
first
> few days. If I really got ambitious, I could always make up the extra day
> later in the section.
>
> I woke at 6:00 AM to a cool, foggy and humid day. I was the first up but
> the others soon started to rouse. I was not yet too efficient at breaking
> camp so I didn't get on the trail till nearly 8:00 AM. I would get better
> as the days went by.
>
> The trail for the next 2 or three days follows along the ridge line of
South
> Mountain and today it was a uniformly easy walk through open second-growth
> hardwoods. It was easy to the point of being boring, especially since the
> fog shrouded any possible views to the east or west. A deer crossed my
path
> and then I passed a group of about 10 scouts hiking the other way. These
> were the high points of the morning's trek!
>
> I still had some soreness in my legs, particularly my right quads and
> adductors. This was a memory of the Boston Marathon, but it was not
really
> a bother, just a twinge.
>
> I arrived at Crampton Gap in light rain and fog. There were some old
ruins
> of a 19th century building on the trail and a monument to Civil War
> newspaper correspondents at the road. I got back into the woods and had a
> small but tiring climb out of the gap to the ridge line, then more easy
> walking. A few SOBOs passed me and then first Cakes and then Jackass
passed
> me. They were the thru-hikers who had arrived late last night.
>
> White Rock Cliffs came up on the right, and although a dramatic drop off,
> the fog precluded any view.
>
> I arrived at the side trail and then at Rocky Run Shelter and it was only
> 12:30. I had put in hardly half a day of hiking. At first I reconsidered
> my plan and thought about going on, but on reflection I decided that an
easy
> day with plenty of rest would be a sensible idea at this point in the
> section.
>
> Rocky Run Shelter is a beautiful spot! This shelter was built in the
1940s
> but it was evident that someone was devoting a lot of care and attention
to
> it. There were recently built platforms with seats, a wooden swing and
even
> some flower boxes. The spring was flowing lustily and it fed a stream
which
> crossed in front of the shelter with the tent sites on the other side. A
> more perfect little vale would be hard to imagine. If you are hiking this
> section, stop off here even if you don't plan on staying. It's well worth
a
> visit.
>
> After rinsing a few sweaty things, I was pumping water for dinner when a
> guy somewhere in his 60s came in and joined me at the shelter. He called
> himself Jake but he said he had done a thru-hike in 1987 with the trail
name
> "Georgia Ridgerunner". He had just started in Harpers Ferry and planned
to
> hike north until he felt like stopping. He was fit as a fiddle and had
> plenty of stories and experiences.
>
> About 4:30 Kerry and Leese arrived. They were the 2 girls who had arrived
> late at Ed Garvey the previous night. Leese had some bad blisters which
she
> tended to. They said their original plan was to hike to Penn Mar and
back,
> but they weren't sure they would make it in the time available to them.
But
> as the previous night, they were good sports and were willing and able to
> learn fast.
>
> I got some good rest for my sore muscles and had a chance to do some
reading
> of the paperback I had brought: John Irving's "The Fourth Hand". You
don't
> want to know the plot. Let's just say it was a good trail book. Not too
> deep.
>
> That evening the weather cleared and we got to see some blue sky, although
> it was too late in the day to see the sun. Jake and I saw a couple of
> Scarlet Tanagers which are among the most brilliantly beautiful birds you
> will see in these parts. As the night came on, it got cooler and rather
> windy. We hoped the weather had broken and we had seen the last of the
fog
> and rain.
>
> Day 2 Trail Miles: 9.1, Extra Miles: .3, Total: 9.4
> Aggregate Trail Miles: 16.8,Aggregate Total: 18.3
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:34:12 -0400
> From: "David S." <davids@teratech.com>
> Subject: [at-l] A.T. in August
> To: AT-L <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <3ED50F34.5050608@teratech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Folks,
>
> Given the dismal temperature outlook for August in Central Virginia,
> which of the following AT section do you think has the best weather for
> hiking in August? Better than Central VA? Average daytime hiking temps?
>
> PA/NJ, Southwestern VA, TN/NC Damascus-Davenport Gap, GSMNP-GA line, GA
>
> At this point I could still rearrange my trip to hike another section.
> Thanks for your advice.
>
> Six2
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:09:48 -0400
> From: Jack James <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030528150708.00b1bc40@mail.skybest.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I've been off this listserv for a while so I apologize if this topic has
> been recently addressed.
>
> Does anyone have experience with using Tyvek as a ground cloth?
>
> I currently use 6 mil plastic. I does OK but it weighs about 10 oz. I'm
> guessing Tyvek would be lighter and tougher.
>
> Jackrabbit
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:54:59 -0400
> From: Jack James <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Shuttle from Kent CT to Lee MA
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030528154450.00b33b60@pop.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> A friend and I are considering a backpacking trip on the AT between Lee MA
> and Kent CT in the latter part of July. We're considering the north-south
> direction because there's a good place in Kent to leave a car. We figure
> we'd get a shuttle from Kent to Lee and hike back to the car.
>
> Does any know where I could get a shuttle from Kent to Lee?
>
> I know there's a bus up Route 7. But it would leave us off a fair
distance
> from the AT late in the day. If we used a motel (rather than finding a
> place near the trail to camp) we'd have to pay pretty hefty tourist rates.
>
> Jackrabbit
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:57:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Timothy Scott <cedric_maxwell@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Bryce Canyon photos
> To: atl <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20030528195753.89579.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> After a long weekend of partying at Trail Days with hikers, I figured the
best
> way to follow that up is with a long weekend of hiking. I took a couple of
> extra days over Memorial Day weekend and headed out to Bryce Canyon for a
> mini-vacation. The place is awesome. While there is only one backpacking
trail
> in the park, there are several other shorter trails with enough to keep
your
> interest for a couple of days. If you are interested, here are the photos.
>
> http://gallery.backcountry.net/chomp-bryce03
>
> -Chomp
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:10:38 -0400
> From: "J Bryan Kramer" <jbryankramer@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: "Jack James" <jj28692@yahoo.com>, <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <OOELIHOJBILPLJJLCPLOCEJCDIAA.jbryankramer@msn.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The house wrap tyvek found at construction sites is very popular for that
> use.
>
> Bryan
>
> "Si vis pacem para bellum"
>
>
> >
> > I've been off this listserv for a while so I apologize if this topic has
> > been recently addressed.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience with using Tyvek as a ground cloth?
> >
> > I currently use 6 mil plastic. I does OK but it weighs about 10 oz.
I'm
> > guessing Tyvek would be lighter and tougher.
> >
> > Jackrabbit
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > at-l mailing list
> > at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > http://mailman.hack.net/mailman/listinfo/at-l
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:49:32 -0400
> From: "Matt Pulsts" <MvPulsts@EarthLink.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] SORUCK - reposted
> To: <hike-usa@pocketmail.com>, "t." <tfort@jam.rr.com>,
> <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <007d01c3255a$a491aa80$6401a8c0@Moose>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I would love to add myself to the list but after consulting my calender,
it
> seems I will be in Florida getting married that weekend. Ahh well, yet
> nother year I will miss a ruck...
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hike-usa@pocketmail.com>
> To: "t." <tfort@jam.rr.com>; <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 14:15
> Subject: Re: [at-l] SORUCK - reposted
>
>
> >
> >
> > T. <tfort@jam.rr.com> wrote :
> >
> > what dates?
> >
> >
> > pittsburgh reponds -
> >
> > the traditional SORUCK date is Martin Luther King Weekend, which
> > in 2004 will be January 16-19 (fri-sat-sun-mon)...
> >
> > pittsburgh and family
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > at-l mailing list
> > at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > http://mailman.hack.net/mailman/listinfo/at-l
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:50:35 -0500
> From: "Shane" <shane@theplacewithnoname.com>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Coincidences or Trail magic or ???
> To: "rick boudrie" <rickboudrie@hotmail.com>,
> <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <FLEKIMLIGPNOBEFIHDCIIEHKGFAA.shane@theplacewithnoname.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > I sometimes find the Trail talks back to me.
>
> Amen, brother!
>
> > On my thru hike I recall once stressing way to hard
> > over whether or not my pace was OK, and just then
> > then stumbled upon a box turtle in the footpath
>
> Call it what you will... Magic, Synchronicity, Divine Intervention...
>
> > The biggest coincidence I had on the Trail was
> > discovering that the woman I met at Ethan Pond over
> > a long weekend trip lived in my apartment building
> > 150 miles away. ... One year later we were engaged
> > and a year after that (1992) Jen and I were married.
>
> What a great story. Thanks for sharing.
>
> Shane
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:01:26 -0500
> From: Felix <AThiker@smithville.net>
> Subject: [at-l] WElP
> To: AT-list <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <3ED523A6.6020909@smithville.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Welp, I'm outta here. Headin' to NYC for a few days then to Boston...One
> of my bosses will be onsome TV shows over the next few days, so, you
> should watch...you might see me...I'm the one in the cycling shorts...
>
> --
> Felix J. McGillicuddy
> ME-->GA '98
> "Your Move"
> http://Felixhikes.tripod.com/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:14:32 EDT
> From: WSpeer1161@aol.com
> Subject: [at-l] Hammock Camping Newsletter for June
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1d8.a8b1011.2c068ec8@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:17:21 -0400
> From: "Bob C." <ellen@clinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: Jack James <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <3234101388.20030528181721@clinic.net>
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> >"...Tyvek would be lighter and tougher."
>
> Tyvek is certainly lighter than 6 mil poly. But I doubt if it's tougher.
Tyvek
> was invented as a house wrap, that lets moisture escape, while keeping air
> infiltration out.
>
> It works okay as protection from small sticks and stones that tend to
wear
> holes in the floors of tents, and somewhat less efficiently helps keep
moisture
> at bay. (Note: It is designed to allow moisture to escape from the inside
of
> houses. When used as a ground cloth it ideally should do just the
opposite.
> Since it is only marginal at letting moisture escape from houses, it
qualifies
> as okay in keeping moisture away from the floor of tents.)
>
> However, if you choose your tent site with reasonable care, (and if you
build
> your house with proper safeguards) it really doesn't matter.
>
> I skipped using tyvek on the first house I built in 1979. I succumbed to
the
> advertising hype and used it on a second house six years ago. Both houses
work
> equally fine.
>
> I have never used a ground cloth and the floor of my 10-year-old Moss
tent
> seems to be holding up well, despite the omission -- though with age and
> several grandchild scouts borrowing it -- I'm increasingly careful about
where
> and how I place it.
>
> Weary
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:47:39 -0500
> From: "L. Clayton Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: "'Bob C.'" <ellen@clinic.net>, "'Jack James'" <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <008b01c3256b$2484fed0$0201a8c0@broadsword>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Weary,
>
> Your reply was terribly misleading. Tyvek, and other monopermeable
fabrics,
> are all "waterproof" in that water may not pass through the fabric in
liquid
> form. It "must" pass through as a vapor. That is the entire purpose of
these
> fabrics. They are every bit as "waterproof" as 6 mil poly or 4 mil or...
>
> As such, it does _exactly_ the same job as poly when used as a ground
cloth,
> no more, no less. The remainder of your comments upon using no ground
cloth
> whatsoever are appropos. Most people, and most tents, will function for
> their designed lifetimes wothout the need for a special ground cloth or
> footprint. Choice of tentsite is by far the greatest factor in keeping
your
> tent dry.
>
> In fact, for the first dozen years that I backpacked, my tent HAD NO
FLOOR.
> (Tents didn't have floors yet.) I don't recall ever getting wet...
>
> So in summary, you are wrong about Tybek's waterproofness, but who cares?
It
> really isn't necessary anyway <G>.
>
> Lee I Joe
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:58:33 -0400
> From: "Bob C." <ellen@clinic.net>
> Subject: Re[2]: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <6636573093.20030528185833@clinic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I don't know as I mentioned "waterproof" in my message. But Lee I Joe is
right
> Tyvek is pretty waterproof. But tyvek permits water vapor to escape. I'm
> guessing a warm body on moist cold ground generates water vapor. I really
don't
> have enough interest to figure out which way that vapor may want to go,
under
> what temperature differentials -- from the ground into the tent, or from
the
> warm tent into the ground.
>
> But Joe is right. It doesn't matter. In my experience if you erect your
tent in
> a puddle, some of that puddle is likely to seep inside in all but the
least
> used tent floors, tyvek or no. If you erect your tent where it doesn't
stand in
> water, tyvek works as well as anything and as good as nothing.
>
> Weary
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:09:38 -0400
> From: Charles Frank <cwfrank@surry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: L Clayton Parker <lparker@cacaphony.net>, 'Bob C'
> <ellen@clinic.net>, 'Jack James' <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <005601c3256e$37a200a0$1c1874cc@default>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Water vapor does not pass thru 6 mil poly. Dampness can and does permeate
> thru tyvek. If you are attempting to keep moisture away from a tent floor
> that is leaky, then poly works better. If you just want to try to protect
> the tent floor from sharp sticks and stones then tyvek works just fine and
> is lighter.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L Clayton Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>
> To: "'Bob C'" <ellen@clinic.net>; "'Jack James'" <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
>
>
> > Weary,
> >
> > Your reply was terribly misleading. Tyvek, and other monopermeable
> fabrics,
> > are all "waterproof" in that water may not pass through the fabric in
> liquid
> > form. It "must" pass through as a vapor. That is the entire purpose of
> these
> > fabrics. They are every bit as "waterproof" as 6 mil poly or 4 mil or...
> >
> > As such, it does _exactly_ the same job as poly when used as a ground
> cloth,
> > no more, no less. The remainder of your comments upon using no ground
> cloth
> > whatsoever are appropos. Most people, and most tents, will function for
> > their designed lifetimes wothout the need for a special ground cloth or
> > footprint. Choice of tentsite is by far the greatest factor in keeping
> your
> > tent dry.
> >
> > In fact, for the first dozen years that I backpacked, my tent HAD NO
> FLOOR.
> > (Tents didn't have floors yet.) I don't recall ever getting wet...
> >
> > So in summary, you are wrong about Tybek's waterproofness, but who
cares?
> It
> > really isn't necessary anyway <G>.
> >
> > Lee I Joe
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > at-l mailing list
> > at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > http://mailman.hack.net/mailman/listinfo/at-l
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:59:02 -0400
> From: "J Bryan Kramer" <jbryankramer@msn.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Aurora watch until may 30th
> To: "atl" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <OOELIHOJBILPLJJLCPLOKEJHDIAA.jbryankramer@msn.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> You northerners should be on the lookout for auroras until 5/30:
>
> http://www.spacew.com/
>
> Bryan
>
> "Si vis pacem para bellum"
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:27:37 -0400
> From: "Jim Bullard" <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: "L. Clayton Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>, "'Bob C.'"
> <ellen@clinic.net>, "'Jack James'" <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <000b01c32579$1b91b3f0$6400a8c0@Jim>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L. Clayton Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>
> >...clip... Tyvek, and other monopermeable fabrics,
> > are all "waterproof" in that water may not pass through the fabric in
> liquid
> > form. It "must" pass through as a vapor. That is the entire purpose of
> these
> > fabrics. They are every bit as "waterproof" as 6 mil poly or 4 mil or...
>
> So what about using it as a tarp? It's tough stuff. If it's waterproof and
> light too it should make a great tarp. The trick (I would guess) is
> attaching ties to it. It is also very slick stuff. Has anyone tried this?
>
> Saunterer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:31:14 -0400
> From: "Jim Bullard" <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Aurora watch until may 30th
> To: "J Bryan Kramer" <jbryankramer@msn.com>, "atl"
> <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001401c32579$9c935e40$6400a8c0@Jim>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Subject: [at-l] Aurora watch until may 30th
>
>
> > You northerners should be on the lookout for auroras until 5/30:
> >
> > http://www.spacew.com/
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> Hmmph! We gotta be able to see the night sky first. Nothing but rain and
> clouds here for days and the forecasts don't look much better..
>
> Saunterer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:31:53 -0400
> From: "J Bryan Kramer" <jbryankramer@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: "Jim Bullard" <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>, "L. Clayton Parker"
> <lparker@cacaphony.net>, "'Bob C.'" <ellen@clinic.net>, "'Jack James'"
> <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <OOELIHOJBILPLJJLCPLOKEJJDIAA.jbryankramer@msn.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Fold the corners over a couple times and use a grommit kit to put in a few
> grommits.
>
> Bryan
>
> "Si vis pacem para bellum"
>
> > >...clip... Tyvek, and other monopermeable fabrics,
> > > are all "waterproof" in that water may not pass through the fabric in
> > liquid
> > > form. It "must" pass through as a vapor. That is the entire purpose of
> > these
> > > fabrics. They are every bit as "waterproof" as 6 mil poly or 4 mil
or...
> >
> > So what about using it as a tarp? It's tough stuff. If it's waterproof
and
> > light too it should make a great tarp. The trick (I would guess) is
> > attaching ties to it. It is also very slick stuff. Has anyone tried
this?
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:41:26 -0500
> From: "L. Clayton Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: "'J Bryan Kramer'" <jbryankramer@msn.com>, "'Jim Bullard'"
> <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>, "'Bob C.'" <ellen@clinic.net>, "'Jack James'"
> <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <009001c3257b$09d4c510$0201a8c0@broadsword>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> You can also sew it.
>
> Lee I Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J Bryan Kramer [mailto:jbryankramer@msn.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:32 PM
> > To: Jim Bullard; L. Clayton Parker; 'Bob C.'; 'Jack James'
> > Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> >
> >
> > Fold the corners over a couple times and use a grommit kit to
> > put in a few
> > grommits.
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> > "Si vis pacem para bellum"
> >
> > > >...clip... Tyvek, and other monopermeable fabrics,
> > > > are all "waterproof" in that water may not pass through
> > the fabric in
> > > liquid
> > > > form. It "must" pass through as a vapor. That is the
> > entire purpose of
> > > these
> > > > fabrics. They are every bit as "waterproof" as 6 mil poly
> > or 4 mil or...
> > >
> > > So what about using it as a tarp? It's tough stuff. If it's
> > waterproof and
> > > light too it should make a great tarp. The trick (I would guess) is
> > > attaching ties to it. It is also very slick stuff. Has
> > anyone tried this?
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:45:26 -0700
> From: Ronald Moak <rmoak@fallingwater.com>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: "'L. Clayton Parker'" <lparker@cacaphony.net>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <93D3951A2D24D311B44E00A0CC3DA1C4232D1D@bear.fallingwater.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> >> Your reply was terribly misleading. Tyvek, and other monopermeable
> fabrics,
> are all "waterproof" in that water may not pass through the fabric in
liquid
> form. It "must" pass through as a vapor. That is the entire purpose of
these
> fabrics. They are every bit as "waterproof" as 6 mil poly or 4 mil or...
<<
>
> Actually Tyvek is not waterproof, it is however highly "Water Resistant".
In
> the industry fabrics are rated by their degree of Water Resistance. In
fact
> there are no fabrics used for backpacking tents floors and ground cloths
> that would come close to the heading of waterproof.
>
> Even the highly touted light Silicone Nylon is not waterproof. It works
fine
> for tarps and tent canopies, however if you sat on a floor made of it in a
> puddle of water your butt would get wet. This is because your weight would
> force the water through the coating.
>
> Tyvek comes in a variety of forms. The two most common versions are Hard
> Structure (ie house wrap) and Soft Structure (ie clothing material). Kite
> stores often sell the soft structure because it's a bit lighter and
softer.
>
> The average pore size of Tyvek (both hard and soft structure) is 2-15
> microns or on average, larger than the filter in your typical Pur water
> filter. It's effective at keeping out water unless it's under pressure.
The
> pore size also allows a vapor transmission rate of about 3 pints a water
per
> sq. meter in 24 hours.
>
> In the end Tyvek makes and excellent ground cloth for durability, weight
and
> water resistance. However, like all other materials it works best if used
> correctly. So if you're using it as the sole ground cloth under a tarp,
make
> sure you won't end up sleeping on top of a puddle if it rains. Otherwise
> your gear is going to get wet.
>
> -Fallingwater
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:45:28 -0400
> From: jcraig5@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: Jim Bullard <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>, "L. Clayton Parker"
> <lparker@cacaphony.net>, "'Bob C.'" <ellen@clinic.net>, 'Jack James'
> <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <001601c3257b$99e654c0$02fea8c0@cc593553a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> FYI,
> Tyvek makes an excellent, lightweight water hauler. Small grommets might
> work to keep the carry handles from tearing out, but I never tried that
> idea. I used to hang mine over the water source and pump directly into
it.
> Somewhere along the line I forgot to filter and got the cooties, so now I
> just use it as a water hauler to camp for cooking/washing. I haven't had
a
> failure yet, it BARELY beads water and can carry almost a gallon
> OBG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Bullard" <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>
> To: "L. Clayton Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>; "'Bob C.'"
> <ellen@clinic.net>; "'Jack James'" <jj28692@yahoo.com>
> Cc: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "L. Clayton Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>
> > >...clip... Tyvek, and other monopermeable fabrics,
> > > are all "waterproof" in that water may not pass through the fabric in
> > liquid
> > > form. It "must" pass through as a vapor. That is the entire purpose of
> > these
> > > fabrics. They are every bit as "waterproof" as 6 mil poly or 4 mil
or...
> >
> > So what about using it as a tarp? It's tough stuff. If it's waterproof
and
> > light too it should make a great tarp. The trick (I would guess) is
> > attaching ties to it. It is also very slick stuff. Has anyone tried
this?
> >
> > Saunterer
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > at-l mailing list
> > at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > http://mailman.hack.net/mailman/listinfo/at-l
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:45:26 -0400
> From: "Bob C." <ellen@clinic.net>
> Subject: Re[2]: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: "Jim Bullard" <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <14442987818.20030528204526@clinic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> >"...The trick (I would guess) is attaching ties to it."
>
> Easy. Find a small stone. Wrap the tyvek around the stone. Tie a piece of
twine
> (parachute cord) around the tyvek so the stone can't escape, and use the
end of
> the twine to attach the twine, stone and tyvek to the earth via a tent
stake, or
> substitute, thereof.
>
> Before backpacking became hitech, several companies manufactured neat
little
> plastic thing-a-ma-jigs and balls (substitutes for stones) to accomplish
the
> same effort 30 seconds easier. Perhaps they still do.
>
> Weary
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:50:53 -0400
> From: "Bob C." <ellen@clinic.net>
> Subject: Re[3]: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: "Bob C." <ellen@clinic.net>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <16743314499.20030528205053@clinic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Ah. At last. After all these days. Something that truly is important --
Tyvek!!!
> And how to use it backpacking!!!
>
> Weary
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:16:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: jbullar1@twcny.rr.com
> Cc: at-l <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20030529011630.59701.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I love this thread. If you are really keen, go back into the
> archives about 4 years ago when Tyvek was all the thrill as
> people made tents, tarps, clothing and more. I recall borrowing
> an early version of the Nomad tent in Tyvek that Kurt was using
> to help perfect his design.
>
> The best benefit of Tyvek is how cheap it is - usually free from
> construction sites. It is still much heavier than Silnylon,
> which has replaced this as a user production material.
>
> For instance, a silnylon gear sack can be seam sealed and
> doubles as a water carrier. Silnylon tent floors are pretty
> durable and slick, rarely needing a foot print. Tyvek works
> better for clothing because it allows vapor thru. Even a
> silnylon poncho can get too steamy.
>
> OrangeBug
>
> ********Jim wrote:*****
> > So what about using it as a tarp? It's tough stuff. If it's
> > waterproof and light too it should make a great tarp.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:01:18 -0400
> From: The Wizard <tschamp@tiac.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] WElP
> To: AT-list <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030528215821.00acb4d0@pop.tiac.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 04:01 PM 5/28/03 -0500, Felix wrote:
> >Welp, I'm outta here. Headin' to NYC for a few days then to Boston...
>
> Any particular time/place in Boston area? There's a few of us in the
> area. Weeknights, 7ish would be good time...
>
> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> The Wizard! A gleam in his eye, a bounce in his step!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:52:21 EDT
> From: Snodrog5@aol.com
> Subject: [at-l] Thruhikers in the news
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1cf.aabcab8.2c06cfe5@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> >From GoSmokies.com, pics and tales of some of this year's trekkers.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cx5k
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:56:28 EDT
> From: Snodrog5@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [at-l] WElP
> To: AThiker@smithville.net, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <91.2e583094.2c06d0dc@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> In a message dated 5/28/03 5:01:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> AThiker@smithville.net writes:
>
>
> > Headin' to NYC for a few days then to Boston...
>
> Lordy... time to hide the wimmin and count the chickens!
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> Message: 33
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:11:36 -0400
> From: "Steve Adams" <stephensadams@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [at-l] DEER TICK REMOVAL AND ADVICE.
> To: gratefulgg@hotmail.com
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <Law10-F53CzsFTU4KaT0001f421@hotmail.com>
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> Mike,
>
> Reference your post, dated 5-28-03.
>
> I live about 45 minutes east of the Shenandoah National Park. Ticks here
> are much more plentiful than in the park. I did return from a hike in
SNP,
> today, and found a few embedded small ticks. I just pulled them out,
> squeezed them between my thumbnails, and buried them in the trash.
>
> "I NOTICED AN ITCH AND THEN SAW LOCALIZIED UNEVEN RASH ..."
>
> This happens to me several times each week during tick season.
>
> "... EVENTUALLY PINCHED IT OFF ..."
>
> I believe the "correct" protocol is to grasp the tick firmly, taking care
> not to squeeze it, with pointed-tip tweezers (which I'm sure all good
hikers
> carry with them at all times) and pull the tick slowly and steadily
straight
> out from the skin. It is quite likely the tick hasn't "injected" you;
don't
> squeeze it out of him.
>
> "... SHOULD FURTHR ACTION BE TAKEN?"
>
> I agree with Shane. If you're worried, see a physician.
>
> "WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TICKS ARE INFECTED IN THIS AREA (IM ADJACENT TO
> SHEN.NAT. PARK)?"
>
> I don't know. I think (note, "THINK") lyme disease of any significance is
> fairly new to this area, BUT it is here, now.
>
> "ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED IF IM JUST BEING PARANOID LET ME KNOW."
>
> If the tick bite is nothing, then, yeah, you're being "paranoid." If you
> contract Lyme Disease from the bite, but you see a physician in time,
you'll
> be recognized as being "wise." People will buy your book. It'll be made
> into a movie. Robert Redford will play your part.
>
> "... MY NEW HOSTEL... LOCATED .5 (mi ?) OFF A.T. EXIT ON COMPTON GAP
TRAIL
> JUST BEFORE EXITING SHEN.NAT.PARK GOING NORTH. IM THE FIRST HOUSE YOU SEE
> WHEN YOU HIT THE ROAD."
>
> Let me see if I understand the directions correctly. Please, tell me
where
> I"m wrong.
>
> 1) Compton Gap Trail: Would that be the AT, after it crosses Skyline
Drive
> for the last time?
>
> 2) Does the Compton Gap Trail continue straight ahead, when the AT takes
a
> 90 degree left turn, with both trails still in the park?
>
> 3) The AT soon leaves SNP, then shortly thereafter drops down a short
rocky
> wall, and crosses a private drive, coming uphill from the left, and
> continuing up to the right. Is this the "ROAD" you speak of?
>
> 4) If it's dark, and I don't see a house, what then? Left? Right?
>
> "... IM IN WINGFOOT ("Smile, when you say that," in these parts.) BOOK
> ..."
>
> Steve
>
> P.S. If you hang around this site, you'll eventually understand the
> Wingfoot caution.
>
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> Message: 34
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:35:32 -0400
> From: "Mark" <nickpvb@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <008b01c32593$5c694950$1b00a8c0@pvbnow.com>
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>
> I'm hiking the last part of June between GA and Fontana. I'd like to
leave
> the tent at home and carry a tarp and perhaps a ground cloth. Questions:
if
> I make a tarp, should I use four, or more gromets? Are poles necessary?
> How much cord should I bring (10 - 20 feet per corner)? If I bring a
> Thermarest should I skip the ground cloth?
>
> Also I'd appreciate a link to a first aid list suitable for Scouts
> backpacking.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Flamingo Web
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:29:09 EDT
> From: ARTCLOUTMN@aol.com
> Subject: [at-l] AT Hike Report: Day 23
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1d4.a9a8262.2c074905@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Monday, 03/31/03 Double Spring Shelter 7 miles
> What a beautiful hike today, with snow everywhere and blue skies
above.
> We must have relieved 6 inches of snow with lots of drifting in windy
areas.
> The temperature may have reached 40 degrees but it was cold. At 7 am the
> temperature was 20 degrees. And I did have to get up during the night,
the
> temperature was 18 degrees.
> Coyote and F-8 got out of camp early. The girls decided to sleep in
this
> morning. I think they were letting us break trail. They planned on
leaving
> about 11 AM. We were hiking by 9 AM.
> It was perfect conditions for spotting animal tracks in the snow. We
> were able to identify coyote/wolf tracks, fox tracks, weasel and some very
large
> bird tracks . We could see Clingman??Ts Dome as we got close to Double
Spring
> Shelter. Laura and Danielle passed us about 1:00 PM. They were moving
fast.
> A lot faster then the two of us can hike. They had a hard time putting on
> their hiking shoes this morning. It was very painful since their shoes
were
> frozen solid. They told us later that they got a summer job through a
college
> instructor as assistant for a photography course. College kids go all
over the
> world in this program for photo opportunities. They had been to Africa,
> Antarctica, and many places in Europe. They were the goffers, pack
haulers, cooks,
> etc. They developed their hiking skills from these experiences.
> Froto Moto showed up in camp for the night. He is trying to catch up
> with Coyote. Coyote and F-8 were heading to Gatlinburg. Wonder if they
made it.
> It was hard hiking in the snow but what a wonderful day. The trees were
> covered with snow and the sky was so blue it looked black.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:31 EDT
> From: ARTCLOUTMN@aol.com
> Subject: [at-l] AT Hike Report: Day 24
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1a7.14ebaf1a.2c074afb@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Tuesday, 04/01/03 Grand Prix Motel Gatlinburg 10 miles
>
> It was a great day with blazing sun and deep snow and slush with wet
snow
> falling from the trees. The trail was icy in places making the footing
> difficult. Froto Moto left the shelter at 6:00 am. Laura and Danielle
left at
> 7:06 and John and I left at 8:30 am. We made it to Climan??Ts Dome by
10:00am. We
> were wearing our long Johns and rain gear because it started out cold and
> snow was melting from the trees. There was a very strong wind as we
walked up
> the ice and snow covered ramp to the tower for a view. It was difficult
to take
> in the views because of the very heavy winds. We walked around the top of
> tower trying to use the maps secured on post to pick out different points
of
> interest. But it was so windy that we had to get down. At the bottom of
the
> tower were two trash cans. We unloaded some trash from our packs into the
trash
> cans. While we did this a family of tourist came up the path in the snow
> wearing shorts and t-shirts. I said why are you dressed this way? It??Ts
cold and
> windy up here. The father responded that it was in the 70??Ts down below.
> We were behind schedule because of the snow by about 2 days. We were
> getting low on food but had 2 days worth left in our packs. We had to
think of
> our next move. Our original plan was to hike to Ice Water Gap Shelter
tonight
> about 14 miles. But we were now soaked from snow melt and sweat as the
> temperature was rising. We decided it would be better to go into
Gatlinburg to
> resupply and spend the night. We would slow our hike down and end it in
Davenport
> Gap instead of in Hot Springs. All that was necessary was a call to
Sheryl
> and Sly for the change.
> We followed the AT under trees dripping with snow melt. Occasionally
a
> large chunk of melting snow would fall down on our heads. We had taken
off
> layers of clothing because it was getting warm. We stopped at Indian Gap
on the
> access road to Clingman??Ts Dome. Took our packs off for a break. A car
with
> a retired couple from Swampscott, Ma. came into the parking lot where I
was
> lying on the pavement trying to dry like a snake in the sun. (I graduated
from
> Marblehead High Scool the arch rival of Swampscott.) We talked with them
for
> awhile. Then a couple from Quebec stopped in the parking lot. They asked
all
> kinds of questions about the AT. They took our pictures with our packs
on.
> They wanted to lift our packs to see how heavy they were.
> Joel from AT-L stopped in the parking lot. He was attending a reunion
of
> AT2001 hikers and decided to do some hiker spotting on his way home. He
> offered us sodas. Then he slack packed us from Indian Gap to Newfound
Gap. Then
> he gave us a ride into Gatlinburg to the Grand Prix Motel.
> After laundry and showers we went to dinner with Joel. We went to the
> Brewery Pub right off of the main street in Gatlinburg because they had a
dozen
> TV??Ts all tuned in to the UCONN women??Ts NCAA basketball play off game
with
> Purdue. I had my first Philly Cheese steak for dinner. It was greasy and
> huge. I??Tm stuffed.
> Joel offered to drive us back to the trail tomorrow. We discovered
that
> Laura and Danielle are at the same motel. He offered to drive them back
to
> the trail, too. But we could not awaken them to let them know about the
ride
> offer. They were planning on paying Hiker Inn $75 apiece to shuttle
Danielle
> back to Fontana and Laura to the trail. Joel was going that way and
offered to
> drive them for free. They were not able to contact Hiker Inn in time
after
> they discovered our note in the morning.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:28:47 -0400
> From: ken bennett <bennettk@wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tyvek as a Ground Cloth
> To: Mark <nickpvb@bellsouth.net>, <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAFB753F.670C%bennettk@wfu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> An 8x10 foot (or thereabouts) tarp is an excellent shelter for one or two
> people. It can be rigged in several different configurations, from a
> conventional 'A-frame' design to a 'batwing' that maximizes ventilation
> while still protecting a large area from rain.
>
> I use several tarps, from a 5x8 silnylon to a 9x9 coated nylon, up to a
> 12x16 poly tarp (for car and base camping) and all of them have grommets
at
> each corner, and at least two additional grommets on each side. More
tie-out
> points (grommets) increase the pitching options. I have attached a small
> loop of nylon cord (parachute cord) about 2 inches in diameter to each
> grommet, so I can stake it down to the ground easily. I also have longer
> (5-6 feet??) cords attached to the appropriate tie-outs so I can tie it to
> trees or use my hiking poles to pitch it. If you can set it up
> satisfactorily in the back yard, then leave the cords attached, it will
> pitch much faster in camp. (I was very happy with this in March on a rainy
> hike with a group of college students. My 5x8 silnylon tarp pitched
quickly
> and easily with two hiking poles in very nasty weather to make a snug, dry
> shelter.)
>
> I always use a ground cloth with a tarp. If it's raining or wet, I don't
> want to put my sleeping bag/pad down on wet ground. Even with a sleeping
bag
> cover, I still use the groundsheet for a place to sit, store gear, change
> clothes, etc.
>
> Plenty of rain in the Southeast this spring. A nice, big tarp will be a
good
> thing to have.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> On 5/28/03 11:35 PM, "Mark" <nickpvb@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm hiking the last part of June between GA and Fontana. I'd like to
leave
> > the tent at home and carry a tarp and perhaps a ground cloth.
Questions: if
> > I make a tarp, should I use four, or more gromets? Are poles necessary?
> > How much cord should I bring (10 - 20 feet per corner)? If I bring a
> > Thermarest should I skip the ground cloth?
> >
> > Also I'd appreciate a link to a first aid list suitable for Scouts
> > backpacking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Flamingo Web
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > at-l mailing list
> > at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > http://mailman.hack.net/mailman/listinfo/at-l
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:06:04 -0400
> From: "Rich, Timothy D." <TRich@FDIC.gov>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Shuttle from Kent CT to Lee MA
> To: "'at-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <205AF66F4431D4118CD10060B068AA7F04093E92@s02exc101.fdic.gov>
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>
> Good Morning,
>
> We finished and started sections in Kent. Call the outfitter in Kent
(don't
> have the name or number with me, but it's in the Companion) and ask about
> local shuttles. That's what we did, and they recommended a fellow that
> lived in Kent. He and his son drove us a couple of times. The son's name
> was Mark Hall, and I forget the Dad's name, but the outfitter can tell you
> if they're still shuttling. They took us over to the train station in NY
> (Wingdale, perhaps) at the end of our Bear Mountain/Kent Section and
brought
> us from and to the airport in Hartford on the next section. They were
very
> reasonable, and the only cheap thing in Kent. If you're on a budget,
drive
> far and fast from Kent.
>
> Good luck on your hike.
>
> Take Care,
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Jack James jj28692 wrote:
>
> A friend and I are considering a backpacking trip on the AT between Lee MA
> and Kent CT in the latter part of July. We're considering the north-south
> direction because there's a good place in Kent to leave a car. We figure
> we'd get a shuttle from Kent to Lee and hike back to the car.
>
> Does any know where I could get a shuttle from Kent to Lee?
>
> I know there's a bus up Route 7. But it would leave us off a fair
distance
> from the AT late in the day. If we used a motel (rather than finding a
> place near the trail to camp) we'd have to pay pretty hefty tourist rates.
>
> Jackrabbit
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 39
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:41:33 -0700
> From: "Bob McCaw" <rmccaw@attbi.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Re: Smokies privies
> To: <RET33@PRODIGY.NET>
> Cc: at-l@backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <000f01c32609$8bf8b7c0$6401a8c0@ne2.client2.attbi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Just did a similar hike.
>
> There is an old guy near Fontana who runs a shuttle for $1 per mile. I
don't remember his name, but if you call Charlie Watts (Sugarlands gives you
this name) you will be referred to the right guy. Very reasonable, and
he'll give you interesting oral history of the area if you chat with him.
>
> There are privies at Double Spring Gap and Russell Field, I believe. Most
of the shelters just have a "toilet area" in the woods.
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> Message: 40
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:45:53 -0400
> From: Watuwando2@cs.com
> Subject: [at-l] The Place
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Does anyone know if there is a phone number for The Place in Damascus? I
can't find one in the Companion.
>
> thanks
> amy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 41
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:56:11 -0400
> From: Watuwando2@cs.com
> Subject: [at-l] The Place
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> Never mind, I found it!
>
> :)
>
>
> amy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 42
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:58:38 -0400
> From: "Papa Bear" <papabear.nyc@verizon.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Umbrellas?
> To: "AT-List" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <002401c325f2$c9f50fe0$6401a8c0@richard>
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>
> I'm thinking about getting an umbrella for hiking.
>
> It seems the problem of long wet days where you are just as wet inside
your rain gear as outside would be addressed by this, at least when there is
not much wind.
>
> Anyone use one?
>
> What kind? (I know Golite makes one).
>
> Does it work?
>
> Is it strong /sturdy?
>
> Light weight?
>
> How do you fasten it to your pack?
>
> What comments do you get?
>
> Thanks
> Pb
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> Message: 43
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:59:40 -0400
> From: "Steve Adams" <stephensadams@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [at-l] The Place
> To: Watuwando2@cs.com
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Amy,
>
> Reference your post, dated 5-29-03, asking for "... a phone number for The
> Place in Damascus ..."
>
> I don't have it. If there is a telephone number, I'm sure Mt Rogers
> Outfitters (703 / 475 - 5416) will have it.
>
> If you get the telephone number, please let me know what it is.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
>
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>
> Message: 44
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:05:36 -0400
> From: "Papa Bear" <papabear.nyc@verizon.net>
> Subject: [at-l] "Inn keeper" of Quarry Gap Shelters, Pennsylvania
> To: "AT-List" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <003f01c325f3$c2b49100$6401a8c0@richard>
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>
> When I passed by Quarry Gap Shelters in southern Pennsylvania, there was a
sign on the front saying "so and so, Inn Keeper".
>
> I didn't take note of the name. Anyone know who is the maintainer for
this place? It's a beautiful place, well taken care of.
>
> Thanks
> Pb
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> Message: 45
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:06:04 -0400
> From: Watuwando2@cs.com
> Subject: [at-l] RE: The Place
> To: stephensadams@hotmail.com ("Steve Adams")
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> According to the Damascus Website, you can reach Tom Hayes/The Place at
(276) 475-3441.
>
> I tried to call MRO at that number and their phone is being checked for
trouble. Hmm.
>
>
> Can anyone confirm that they accept maildrops? It states in the companion
that they do, but just wanted to call to make sure.
>
> thanks
> amy
>
>
> "Steve Adams" <stephensadams@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Amy,
> >
> >Reference your post, dated 5-29-03, asking for "... a phone number for
The
> >Place in Damascus ..."
> >
> >I don't have it. If there is a telephone number, I'm sure Mt Rogers
> >Outfitters (703 / 475 - 5416) will have it.
> >
> >If you get the telephone number, please let me know what it is.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 46
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:14:04 -0500
> From: "Shane" <shane@theplacewithnoname.com>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] Umbrellas?
> To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <FLEKIMLIGPNOBEFIHDCIMELAGFAA.shane@theplacewithnoname.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > I'm thinking about getting an umbrella for hiking.
>
> > Anyone use one?
>
> Yes.
>
> > What kind? (I know Golite makes one).
>
> Currently, a Birdiepal. www.birdiepal.com I like the Outdoor and the
> slightly larger Compact. There are reports on the Junior and Outdoor
models
> on www.BackpackGearTest.org. See:
> <http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Rain%20Gear/Umbrellas/>
>
> For a long time I carried an el-cheapo model with a frog handle... I
> switched to a Wilson golf umbrella for awhile, which is practically a
> shelter it's so large. It's also very heavy - but doubles as a walking
> stick.
>
> > Does it work?
>
> Yes. For rain, wind, and sun. There are many uses. Umbrellas are very
> handy. If I were leaving for a long distance hike tomorrow, I would very
> likely take the Birdiepal Compact. For walking along in the rain, they're
> great. Their real benefit doesn't come when walking at all, however.
When
> it's windy, you set them on the ground and sit with your back in the
> umbrella. The windbreak it provides lets you cook or have a small fire
> without getting cold. You can use it to create an extra 'porch' for your
> tent or hammock.
>
> You will be happiest to have one, however, when it's pouring down raining,
> 3:00 AM, and your bowels have decided that they aren't going to let you
wait
> until morning. You've got your own portable privy shelter. Anybody who
has
> tried to take a crap in a rain suit knows how quickly that can turn into a
> nightmare. A poncho is better, but the umbrella rules for this function.
>
> > Is it strong /sturdy?
>
> Practically indestructible.
>
> > Light weight?
>
> Nope. Pretty heavy...
>
> > How do you fasten it to your pack?
>
> Never bothered with that much. Tucked into an outside pocket and tied at
> the top works pretty well. Some folks strap, tape, or tie them to the
> shoulder strap. I've never done so.
>
> > What comments do you get?
>
> "I wish I had one."
>
> Shane
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 47
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:14:17 -0400
> From: Watuwando2@cs.com
> Subject: RE: [at-l] RE: The Place
> To: stephensadams@hotmail.com ("Steve Adams")
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4E2D9AB8.514A0D79.0D100060@cs.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Just a note....the area code for MRO is (276). I was using (540) out of
the companion.
>
> And, yes, MRO accepts maildrops. Great people there!
>
>
> amy
>
>
>
>
>
> Watuwando2@cs.com wrote:
>
> >According to the Damascus Website, you can reach Tom Hayes/The Place at
(276) 475-3441.
> >
> >I tried to call MRO at that number and their phone is being checked for
trouble. Hmm.
> >
> >
> >Can anyone confirm that they accept maildrops? It states in the companion
that they do, but just wanted to call to make sure.
> >
> >thanks
> >amy
> >
> >
> >"Steve Adams" <stephensadams@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Amy,
> >>
> >>Reference your post, dated 5-29-03, asking for "... a phone number for
The
> >>Place in Damascus ..."
> >>
> >>I don't have it. If there is a telephone number, I'm sure Mt Rogers
> >>Outfitters (703 / 475 - 5416) will have it.
> >>
> >>If you get the telephone number, please let me know what it is.
> >>
> >>Thanks.
> >>
> >>Steve
> >>
> >>_________________________________________________________________
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> >>
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> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 48
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:42:49 -0400
> From: "Steve Adams" <stephensadams@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Umbrellas?
> To: papabear.nyc@verizon.net
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <Law10-F84ZORnF6BC5I0001762a@hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Pb,
>
> Reference your post, dated 5-29-03.
>
> "It seems the problem of long wet days where you are just as wet inside
your
> rain gear as outside would be addressed by this, at least when there is
not
> much wind."
>
> Your hypothesis is the same as mine.
>
> "Anyone use one?"
>
> As is often the case with so many things, it hasn't rained heavily anytime
> I've carried one.
>
> "What kind? (I know Golite makes one)."
>
> Yes, I'm a gadget freak, I bought a Golite.
>
> "Does it work?"
>
> It seems to work when taking the dog walkies.
>
> I anticipate it will be useful blocking wind-driven precipitation from
> entering the windiest end of a tarp, while permitting a delightful breeze
to
> circulate. (I intend to drill holes in both ends of the handle, through
> which I can pass cords, to secure the umbrella.)
>
> "Is it strong /sturdy?"
>
> It seems adequate. Umbrellas are designed to be light weight, therefore,
> durability is necessarily the trade-off. I have read one review attesting
> to it's durability, none which suggest otherwise. It has a relatively
small
> diameter which may help avoid snagging on tree branches; this small size
> probably reduces the need for greater durability.
>
> "Light weight?"
>
> Mine weighs 8.6 ounces. I wonder, however, about the total weight ratio.
I
> would feel better if it replaced something of equal or greater weight. I
> think I still need a wind breaker to repel wind-driven precipitation. My
> windbreaker weighs 3 ounces but isn't as breathable as I would like. So,
> this brings you back to wearing a rain shell, regardless whether or not
you
> use an umbrella.
>
> "How do you fasten it to your pack?"
>
> Strap it on. See, my intention to drill holes in both ends, above, which
> will enhance fastening it to a pack.
>
> "What comments do you get?"
>
> None. I wear a sheath knife.
>
> Steve
>
> P.S. I just read Shane's post. Reference the comment he receives, "I
wish
> I had one." Be advised, I think Shane also wears a sheath knife.
>
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> Message: 49
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:47:30 -0500
> From: "Shane" <shane@theplacewithnoname.com>
> Subject: [at-l] RE: Umbrellas?
> To: "Steve Adams" <stephensadams@hotmail.com>,
> <papabear.nyc@verizon.net>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> > "What comments do you get?"
> >
> > None. I wear a sheath knife.
> >
> > P.S. I just read Shane's post. Reference the comment he
> > receives, "I wish I had one." Be advised, I think Shane
> > also wears a sheath knife.
>
> LOL! Yeah... There is that. Not to mention that I sometimes pack heat...
>
> Shane
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 50
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:39:37 -0400
> From: Kurt Cedergren <onestep4me@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Umbrellas?
> To: Papa Bear <papabear.nyc@verizon.net>
> Cc: AT-List <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <3ED637C9.9000803@hotmail.com>
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> Papa Bear wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking about getting an umbrella for hiking.
> >
> > It seems the problem of long wet days where you are just as wet inside
> > your rain gear as outside would be addressed by this, at least when
> > there is not much wind.
> >
> > Anyone use one?
> >
> I use a GoLite umbrella. They are so much stronger (for the weight) than
> anyother I've tried.
> I've carried mine now for 4 years or so (my how time passes) along
> approx 1000 miles of the AT.
> During this years section hike from Harpers Ferry to Boiling Springs I
> got to use it alot!
>
> I like my umbrella in the rain because...
> I can still eat gorp from a baggie while hiking.
> It shelters me while releiving myself.
> I can still dress for the temperature and/or physical exertion level
> I'm experiencing.
> I can still take pictures.
> I can open my pack and not get the contents wet.
> I can read my map or data book.
> It doens't have to be POURING out and COLD to use one.
>
> I like my umbrella when it's not raining because...
> It makes a fine wind break.
> It blocks off one end of my tarp for privacy or extra protection in
> wind driven rain.
> It scares the hell out of dogs.
>
> I now even carry an umbrella in my car. I reach for one anytime it rains.
> It's not perfect. I still have the 'back-up' of my micro fleece /
> windshirt for severe wind & rain.
> It is however the most waterproof / breathable rain protection I've ever
> used.
>
> Onestep
> http://onestep4me.tripod.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 51
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:45:00 EDT
> From: KellyGoVols@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Umbrellas?
> To: papabear.nyc@verizon.net, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1ed.9ddad5a.2c07930c@aol.com>
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>
> I'm reading the journal of Puck and Belcher who are on the PCT, and Puck
> somehow fashioned an umbrella with a toilet paper roll to attach to his
pack to
> shade him from the sun in the desert. Here's the excerpt from the entry,
maybe
> you can get some inspiration from it:
>
> > I used my newest invention today and B. was immediately jealous. I
> > duct-taped a toilet paper roll on my shoulder strap and set a small
umbrella in,
> > giving me hands-free shade. It was about 10 degrees cooler than a hat
and seemed
> > to work perfectly until the wind came along and blew it out. It needs
some
> > tweaking, but this may be something I use the whole trip.
>
> In a message dated 05/29/2003 10:58:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> papabear.nyc@verizon.net writes:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm thinking about getting an umbrella for hiking.
> >
> > It seems the problem of long wet days where you are just as wet inside
your
> > rain gear as outside would be addressed by this, at least when there is
not
> > much wind.
> >
> > Anyone use one?
> >
> > What kind? (I know Golite makes one).
> >
> > Does it work?
> >
> > Is it strong /sturdy?
> >
> > Light weight?
> >
> > How do you fasten it to your pack?
> >
> > What comments do you get?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Pb
> >
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:46:23 EDT
> From: Snodrog5@aol.com
> Subject: [at-l] Fiftieth Anniversary of Hillary On Everest
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