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- Subject: [pct-l] RE: pct-l Digest, Vol 18, Issue 32
- From: jcartne at hotmail.com (Jacob Cartner)
- Date: Wed Oct 27 15:56:41 2004
I cannot speak for the PCT, but for pre-training on the AT, we went to a
local mountain (Table Rock Mtn in upstate SC to be exact) and trail ran it.
This was no easy trail, however. It was 3.5 miles to the top, with a total
of 3000 foot elevation gain. We must have done this about 10 times or so.
Our best time to the top was 55 minutes (actually accomplished on our 8th
run, not the 10th), which was 17 minutes lower than the 1st time out. This
helped. We also lift weights regularly (2-3x a week), and I play basketball
about once a week. Any exercise is better than none. A combination of
weights and cardio should suffice. After 3 weeks on the trail, it will all
even out anyways.
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Pre-training (Blake Boles)
> 2. Dress me up...shelters (Paul Magnanti)
> 3. Re: Re: Fwd: Wanderlust Gear (Saskia Daru)
> 4. Re: Pre-training (Richard Cox)
> 5. Re: Pre-training (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
> 6. RE: Pre-training (Chris Willett)
> 7. RE: Re: Fwd: Wanderlust Gear (Marge Prothman)
> 8. Re: Pre-training (The Mountain Goat)
> 9. the KICK-OFF (Norma)
> 10. ""ATTENTION,,ATTENTION"" (Norma)
> 11. RE: the KICK-OFF (Monty Tam)
> 12. Re: the KICK-OFF (Bighummel@aol.com)
> 13. Re: animal ranches along the PCT (dsaufley@sprynet.com)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:01:54 -0700
>From: Blake Boles <yourstruly@blakeboles.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Pre-training
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <417F2BC2.9040300@blakeboles.com>
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>Can some old-time PCT thru-hikers give me advice on pre-training for the
>hike?
>
>Karen Berger suggested in her book that the best way to prepare for a
>long hike is to go on long hikes (of course), but if your schedule
>doesn't allow that, any form of cardiovascular exercise will do.
>
>What have you guys 'n' gals done to train for the thru-hike, how much,
>how long, and when did you start?
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:07:00 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Dress me up...shelters
>To: pct-l@backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20041027060700.67365.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> >>Mags: Thanks for the insight on the tarp pitching
> >>site. I'm headed to check it out now. But while I
>do, >>which tarp would you actually recommend?
>
>I had great luck with the Campmor one on the PCT (and
>other hikes). In the "If I had to do it again"
>category, I'd buy something like the tarps found at
>Trailquest.net
> http://www.trailquest.net/dlgctarps.html
>
>I think the loops, as opposed to grommets, are the way
>to go for tarps. Again, I suggest 8x10 for tarping
>unless you are really comfortable with pitching a
>tarp.
>
> >>Two things I noticed on your picture -- 1) it's
>pitched >>really really really low and, 2) you shave
>while you're >>on the trail! Thanks again for all.
>
>Well, it is not that low compared to other times I've
>pitched it. :D I feel I have plenty of room to kind of
>prop myself up on my elbows. The weather was really
>nasty that night so a tight pitch was needed.
>
>As for shaving on the trail...ah, that picture was
>from last summer when I was not on a thru-hike. I
>actually hike and play outside when I am not
>thru-hiking. :D
>Living in Colorado, tend to have a little bit of
>outdoor stuff to do.
>
>If you want a better view of how I look on the long
>trails, check out this pic from my PCT hike:
>http://gallery.backcountry.net/pmagspct02/ane
>
>Look a bit less clean cut than the other photo. :D
>Too hard for me to shave on the trail as my beard
>grows in very thick. Off trail it is too hard for me
>to keep up with my beard in terms of keeping it
>trimmed, even length, etc. Easier for me to be clean
>shaven off trail! I hate spending time trimming a
>beard. And, if you looked at the above photo, letting
>my beard "going free" may make me have trouble at most
>govt institutions now-a-days. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=====
>************************************************************
>The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a
>portion of the rainbow I have clutched
>--Thoreau
>http://www.magnanti.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:22:47 +0200
>From: Saskia Daru <saskiadaru@xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Fwd: Wanderlust Gear
>To: PCT list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <BDA50B57.6DDF%saskiadaru@xs4all.nl>
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>
>Hi,
>
>If you are looking for a Tarptent that does well in wind, the Cloudburst is
>probably a better choice. We did have high winds and had to put rocks on
>the
>stakes, as we would have had to do with any tent. But the Tarptent worked
>well. No flapping. Because it is relatively open, we got handfulls of dust
>and grit blown around from time to time. It also performed well in the
>snow:
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~darudiva/source/dscn1478.htm
>And http://www.xs4all.nl/~darudiva/source/dscn1479.htm
>There is now an extended beak, that goes almost all the way to the ground.
>That will help against the wind even more.
>
>Saskia
>
>
> >
> >>> Henry is a nice guy and doesn't live far from me,
> >>> but I hate my Squall
> >>> and rarely use it. It's not storm worthy above tree
> >>> line. A Golite
> >>> Lair I (pointed in the right direction) and a light
> >>> bivy works fars
> >>> better than the Squall.
> >
> >
> > I should qualify this since I don't mean to trash the Squall. The
> > Squall works well in most conditions with the exception of high
> > winds. It's not wind worthy but nor is the Squall. This is obvious.
> > In high winds I prefer a bivy or something with a floor, but for most
> > of the PCT the Squall would be just fine.
> >
> > I apologize if I just upset someone's livelihood.
> >
> > Dave
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:15:28 -0700
>From: Richard Cox <richardlcox@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pre-training
>To: Blake Boles <yourstruly@blakeboles.com>
>Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <7f5b1748041027011514e99ebd@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>My schedule was as follows:
>
>I started by walking 1 hour/day for 6 days straight and then I went to
>1.5 hours/day for 6 days etc, etc, etc until I was up to 6 hours a day
>before the trail.
>
>I started out walking from my house around town and as the time grew
>closer started driving out for hikes every day in the hills around my
>place (in the Bay Area).
>
>By the end I was doing at least 1000' vertical every hike and hiking
>for 6 hours a day on trail. It seemed to work, but I don't know if it
>was the best and it got hard to get that much time in and finish my
>prep for the trail.
>
>Oh, And I highly recommend being laid off by your company 2 months
>before you go - it really helps with your training time. ;)
>
>The One
>PCT 2003
>Vote on Nov 2!
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:01:54 -0700, Blake Boles
><yourstruly@blakeboles.com> wrote:
> > Can some old-time PCT thru-hikers give me advice on pre-training for the
> > hike?
> >
> > Karen Berger suggested in her book that the best way to prepare for a
> > long hike is to go on long hikes (of course), but if your schedule
> > doesn't allow that, any form of cardiovascular exercise will do.
> >
> > What have you guys 'n' gals done to train for the thru-hike, how much,
> > how long, and when did you start?
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:17:13 EDT
>From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pre-training
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <65.36c49401.2eb0f9d9@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Ryel Kestenbaum gives a complete, several month training regimen in his
>book
>The Ultralight Backpacker. On the other hand, Roland Mueser, in the
>Long-Distance Hiking: Lessons from the Appalachian Trail suggests that
>evidence
>(from extensive surveys of 136 thruhikers in 1990-1991) that those who
>pre-trained were not much more likely to complete the AT than those who
>did nothing.
>That, within a month, those who did not pre-condition were hiking at the
>same
>pace as those who did. He concludes that physical conditioning before the
>hike is not the sine qua non for staying on the trail... that will is more
>important.
>
>For the PCT, because you run into high mile days right out of the chute,
>PT
>can make a difference. Personally, I fell between the two... walking up to
>seven miles a day, three days a week, for two or three months prior to the
>Trail. For me, that was enough... even though I am old and pathetic. YMMV
>
>"No Way Ray" Echols
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:52:28 -0700
>From: "Chris Willett" <CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Pre-training
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, "Blake Boles"
> <yourstruly@blakeboles.com>
>Message-ID:
> <62C689C9C0C6A141AED8F6B8121FB89306551194@mail.pierce.ctc.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I was in fairly decent shape when I showed up for the PCT in 2003. I had
>started running a few years before and think that the running did help me
>alot. The primary benefit (other than making the first few weeks easy) was
>from a generally tough body. I didn't suffer any injuries during my hike,
>even though I tended to hike farther each day and took fewer zero days than
>most hikers. I just didn't need the time off and was happier to be in the
>hills than in a town. A few exceptions here. This isn't something you can
>build up over a month or two. Still, building up general endurance and leg
>strength will be a benefit.
>
>I started by trying to run 1.5 miles 3 times a week. I say try because I
>didn't actually make it without walking for several weeks. Eventually, I
>got to where I could run this in 15 minutes. I increased over the next few
>months to running 3 miles, although it took me some time to drop down to 30
>minutes. A year goes by and I'm running 5.1 miles in about 45 minutes.
>Note that these are not blazingly fast times. I'm out for a lope. Last
>year it was 6.4 miles, four times a week. This year, I've moved to the
>Pacific Northwest and am spending more time indoors exercising, which means
>an inclined treadmill. How dull.
>
>Suge
>
>---------------------------
>Christopher Willett
>cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
>Pierce College
>9401 Farwest Drive SW.
>Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
>
> > ----------
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of Blake Boles
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:01 PM
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Pre-training
> >
> > Can some old-time PCT thru-hikers give me advice on pre-training for the
> > hike?
> >
> > Karen Berger suggested in her book that the best way to prepare for a
> > long hike is to go on long hikes (of course), but if your schedule
> > doesn't allow that, any form of cardiovascular exercise will do.
> >
> > What have you guys 'n' gals done to train for the thru-hike, how much,
> > how long, and when did you start?
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:40:20 -0600
>From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.org>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Re: Fwd: Wanderlust Gear
>To: "'Saskia Daru'" <saskiadaru@xs4all.nl>, "'PCT list'"
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000001c4bc32$e342f7a0$6401a8c0@marge20g04myym>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Hello Saskia,
>Have had a great hour this morning looking at the pictures of your John
>Muir
>Trip.
>They were great,
>Thanks,
>Marge [The Old Gal]
>http://www.prothman.org/marge
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Saskia Daru
>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:23 AM
>To: PCT list
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Fwd: Wanderlust Gear
>
>
>Hi,
>
>If you are looking for a Tarptent that does well in wind, the Cloudburst is
>probably a better choice.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:24:26 -0700 (PDT)
>From: The Mountain Goat <themtgoat@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pre-training
>To: pct mailing list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <20041027152426.32426.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>When I was "training" for the 130 mile walker pass trip, I just went on
>longer and longer all day hikes on Saturdays. Recovered on Sundays and went
>back to work. Went from a 4hour hike to a 9 hour hike at ~3mph. So 9 hours
>would be about 27 miles, but no backpack, just a tiny fanny pack and a pint
>of water.
>
>This got me in shape for the backpack, but I can't vouch for if it did much
>for preparing for the Southern California heat. When Snickers and I went,
>it got abnormaly cool.
>
>Just under 6 months before the PCT Thru hike!
>
>-Mountain Goat-
>www.geocities.com/pct_2005
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
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>Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:36:09 -0700
>From: "Norma" <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] the KICK-OFF
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <003d01c4bc3a$afbd99a0$3557fb43@Ruiz>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Can any body tell me just when the kick-off starts from the Mexican Border
>? at least there is 3 or 400 leaveing on the same day,
> Howard the "BULL"
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:55:46 -0700
>From: "Norma" <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] ""ATTENTION,,ATTENTION""
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000801c4bc3d$6dbe46f0$a38cfa43@Ruiz>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>the up-date to MT ST Helen,,,she is hiffing & puffing more & more ,she is
>raiseing real fast,about a big dump-truck every 5 seconds,she raised over
>250 since she started,& they dont want anybody wondering around her,two
>wonderiors wonder off past the danger KEEP OUT signs,and they got a $5000
>FINE ACCORDING TO THE NEWS, they are not playing around,Nobody want s to be
>around and if they have to be there,they are going to throw the book at
>those that wont pay attention,,,,no excuses,,,,! Howard
> "THE "BULL"
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:09:18 -0700
>From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] the KICK-OFF
>To: "pct-l" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <410-22004103271691848@earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Bull
>
>On a weekend. End of April. Last year I think there were about 200 of us
>hiking from the event, but 500 people attended the KickOff. (Free Food!!)
>
>Warner Springs Monty
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Norma <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Date: 10/27/2004 8:49:42 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] the KICK-OFF
> >
> > Can any body tell me just when the kick-off starts from the Mexican
>Border ? at least there is 3 or 400 leaveing on the same day,
>Howard the "BULL"
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>
>Message: 12
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:18:18 EDT
>From: Bighummel@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] the KICK-OFF
>To: n.ruiz@verizon.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <13d.4a2aeed.2eb1244a@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>The 7th ADZPCTKO is scheduled to be held on Friday and Saturday, primarily,
>April 22nd and 23rd, 2005. Details and planning are currently being
>formulated
>and will be provided on the website in the near future. A planning meeting
>of the organizers will be held at Lake Morena over the weekend of Nov. 6th,
>coincidentally the approximate date that Scott Williamson will reach the
>border
>on his yo-yo.
>
>Another great time and program is planned for the 7th event with historical
>perspective, 2004 thru-hikers returning to give the best up-to-date advice
>to
>aspiring hikers, talks on specific trail issues and information, fun
>events,
>good food and great people.
>
>We have reserved the entire Lake Morena campground for the event this year
>so
>don't bother trying to make an independent reservation, no need. RV
>partial
>hookup sites will be provided for those RV'ers attending. Having the
>entire
>campgroud for the event offers some unique advantages to us and so, count
>on
>their being a slightly different arrangement and look to the ADZ this year.
>
>And, we are likely to have a 9 foot by 20 foot portable outside projection
>system with surround sound for presentations! Tyvek is a marvelous
>material,
>isn't it?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Greg Hummel
>ADZPCTKO Coordinator
>& All of the ADZPCTKO Organizers
>
>
>In a message dated 10/27/2004 8:36:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>n.ruiz@verizon.net writes:
>Can any body tell me just when the kick-off starts from the Mexican Border
>?
>at least there is 3 or 400 leaveing on the same day,
> Howard the "BULL"
>_______________________________________________
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:34:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
>From: dsaufley@sprynet.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] animal ranches along the PCT
>To: Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <24217171.1098894876893.JavaMail.root@wamui10.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Tippy Hedren's "Shambala" in Acton is a rescue for big cats. She keeps
>them from being put down. It's unbelievable that in this day and age,
>people get big cats when they're kittens and try to keep them as pets.
>These unscrupulous people have the cats declawed, and in some instances,
>defanged. When they get too big to handle, they give them up. Zoos don't
>need them (there's no shortage or need, in fact, there's a glut of these
>animals), and they cannot be rehabed to the wild. The only alternative is
>euthanizing them, or rescues like Shambala and the Wildlife Waystation
>(which takes in all kinds of quasi-domesticated wild animals in similar
>circumstances), supported by private donations and thousands of volunteer
>hours. So, in some cases, the rescues are the last resort for the
>animals, not the root problem. I'd like to line up the people who declaw
>and defang these creatures and do the same thing to them, and that's
>putting it mildly.
>
>-=Donna Saufley=-
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2004 7:29 PM
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: [pct-l] animal ranches along the PCT
>
>What do these ranches do with these animals? I hope they're at least humane
>institutions. I can imagine the scare one would get from hearing the roar
>of
>a lion at night having no idea that a wild animal ranch adjoins the PCT.
>
> Just think of the debates that would ensue if these were actually wild
>lions. Yep... "Lion cannisters". These impenetrable havens would actually
>also have to be your tent AND your backpack. Thank god we're not trekking
>through the Serengetti and also that the sabre tooths went extinct.
>
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