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[at-l] Re: at-l Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9
- Subject: [at-l] Re: at-l Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9
- From: russsever at yahoo.com (russ sever)
- Date: Mon Jun 9 23:03:02 2003
- In-Reply-To: <20030609170014.5C3ABB6205@edina.hack.net>
this is a thru going sobo and it has been extremely wet although it will be the best year for all thru`s because we can endure, magic god bring it on!!!!!!!because its us that are keeping this going now and forever.sytop talkin and get walkin sliver good to hear greyowl is out there
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Today's Topics:
1. 2003 Wet Year (Jim and/or Ginny Owen)
2. Re: 2003 Rain Year (Steve Landis)
3. Re: 2003 Rain Year (Jim Lynch)
4. RE: 2003 Rain Year (Walter Daniels)
5. Wet 2003 (RoksnRoots@aol.com)
6. Robert Gray/HFC/NPS is out of the office. (Robert_Gray@nps.gov)
7. Spring AT hike: Rock Gap, NC to Davenport Gap, TN (Kenneth Knight)
8. Re: Wet 2003 (greyowl@rcn.com)
9. Re: 2003 Rain Year (Steve Landis)
10. 2003 Rain Year (Mark Hudson)
11. Re: 2003 Rain Year (Steve Landis)
12. Re: 2003 Rain Year (Jim Bullard)
13. Best AT Photo - EVER (Timothy Scott)
14. 2003 Rain Year (Mark Hudson)
15. Fwd: Re: [at-l] Best AT Photo - EVER (Kent Gardam)
16. Re[2]: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year (Bob C.)
17. RE: Kelly pissing everyone off (was) RE: [at-l] Jan 6/3
(William Neal)
18. RE: Kelly pissing everyone off (was) RE: [at-l] Jan 6/3
(William Neal)
19. RE: Trail Punishment (William Neal)
20. RE:Best AT Photo - EVER (Marielle & Paul)
21. RE: Kelly pissing everyone off (was) RE: [at-l] Jan 6/3
(William Neal)
22. RE: Kelly pissing everyone off (was) RE: [at-l] Jan 6/3
(J Bryan Kramer)
23. RE: Kelly pissing everyone off (was) RE: [at-l] Jan 6/3
(William Neal)
24. RE: Trail Punishment (William Neal)
25. G-OT: Throwing crockery (was) RE: Kelly pissing everyone off
(wa s) RE: [at-l] Jan 6/3 (William Neal)
26. Bottled water (was) RE: [at-l] (no subject) (William Neal)
27. 1992 vs. RE: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year (William Neal)
28. 2003 Rain Year (Papa Bear)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 00:37:47 +0000
From: "Jim and/or Ginny Owen"
Subject: [at-l] 2003 Wet Year
To: at-l@backcountry.net
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I agree, I am also glad not to be hiking the AT this year. On my first AT
hike, it rained constantly in New England. The leather lining in my boots
rotted out from the wetness, causing constant blisters on feet that hadn't
had a blister in months. A couple of the stream crossings were really
difficult -- on one, I reached the far side and saw a note dated that
morning stating, "Do not try to cross this stream, it is too dangerous!" On
another I met some southbound hikers who had been swept off their feet on
one crossing -- and I was alone. Then there's the fact that it is hard
enough putting on the cold wet stinking clothes on the second or third wet
day - by the fifth or sixth, it gets really demoralizing. Especially when
all the views are just hazy cloudy landscapes or "the great white sheet".
We finally got a break from the weather here in Maryland. Because of the
soggy soil we just did a 13 mile hike on the C&O, (between mile posts 17 and
23) where at least the path is wide enough to get around the worst of the
wet spots. The Potomac River is in full flood - an amazing sight. Saw lots
of people, of course, but also a beaver, a couple of snakes, a new (to me)
lizard, a flock with 10 baby geese, several mallards, wild iris, mountain
laurel, a couple of horses -- and the occasional glimpse of sunshine. We
heard some amazingly loud bullfrogs in one swampy section. I thought it was
a chainsaw or motor boat at first. Noone was boating the river, it was way
too dangerous, but there were several kayaks in the canal. Lots of
fishermen, including some successful ones. One guy had a fat perch and
another had a huge catfish. By going north of Great Falls, we had hoped to
avoid the usual crowds, but it was too nice a day (not pouring buckets) and
a lot of folks had the same idea. Still - we had a nice walk, even if it
was canal walking.
Ginny
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:32:51 -0400
From: Steve Landis
Subject: Re: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
To: AT-L
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The Trail near the Scott Farm at the bridge is under water. The
Conodoquinet Creek is over it's banks and we are expecting a
thunderstorm tonight. While scouting the creek for a possible paddle
today ran into a couple of day hikers there who were hiking from Boiling
Springs to Wertzville Road who had to bushwhack around the flooding. I
ended up doing a short paddle on Mountain Creek which is running at
Class III today but had to cut it short because I was alone and the wave
train going thru Mt Holly Springs was full of strainers and it just
wasn't safe.
Steve
Charles Copeland wrote:
> I have a friend that just returned from doing a section from Harper's
> Ferry to Duncannon (?) and he said it was all wet. Some places the
> trail is under water and in some places you have to fight to keep your
> boots on. He said it was very hard on the feet because they were always
> wet and it was hard to keep the mud from oozing in over the tops of the
> boots.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:48:59 -0400
From: Jim Lynch
Subject: Re: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
To: Steve Landis
Cc: AT-L
Message-ID: <3EE3F59B.4040904@crosslink.net>
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Hi, Little help on vernacular please
what's a 'wave train'?
what's a 'strainer'?
Thanks!!
(sorry to be asking newbie-type questions!)
Steve Landis wrote:
> The Trail near the Scott Farm at the bridge is under water. The
> Conodoquinet Creek is over it's banks and we are expecting a
> thunderstorm tonight. While scouting the creek for a possible paddle
> today ran into a couple of day hikers there who were hiking from Boiling
> Springs to Wertzville Road who had to bushwhack around the flooding. I
> ended up doing a short paddle on Mountain Creek which is running at
> Class III today but had to cut it short because I was alone and the wave
> train going thru Mt Holly Springs was full of strainers and it just
> wasn't safe.
>
> Steve
James P. ('Jim') Lynch
jplynch@crosslink.net
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 23:07:29 -0400
From: Walter Daniels
Subject: RE: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
To: ATL
Message-ID: <007701c32e34$44979df0$6601a8c0@daniels>
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Techical kayaker terms not hiking terms.
Wave train is a series of standing waves in the stream
Strainer is things like blowdowns across the stream that filter out
kayakers, in the worst case tipping them over and trapping them below water
level.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:at-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Jim Lynch
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:49 PM
> To: Steve Landis
> Cc: AT-L
> Subject: Re: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
>
>
> Hi, Little help on vernacular please
> what's a 'wave train'?
> what's a 'strainer'?
> Thanks!!
> (sorry to be asking newbie-type questions!)
>
> Steve Landis wrote:
> > The Trail near the Scott Farm at the bridge is under water. The
> > Conodoquinet Creek is over it's banks and we are expecting a
> > thunderstorm tonight. While scouting the creek for a
> possible paddle
> > today ran into a couple of day hikers there who were hiking
> from Boiling
> > Springs to Wertzville Road who had to bushwhack around the
> flooding. I
> > ended up doing a short paddle on Mountain Creek which is running at
> > Class III today but had to cut it short because I was alone
> and the wave
> > train going thru Mt Holly Springs was full of strainers and it just
> > wasn't safe.
> >
> > Steve
> James P. ('Jim') Lynch
> jplynch@crosslink.net
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:27:59 EDT
From: RoksnRoots@aol.com
Subject: [at-l] Wet 2003
To: AT-L@Backcountry.net
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>From March:
" I would not bet on water in PA. Even though we have had many rainy
days and a lot of snow, most water sources are near the top of the ridge line.
Plenty of water now (With mud up to your eyeballs), but come July it will be
hard to find.Besides with all this extra rain there should be a good cropof PA
Rocks. -Grey Owl "
Sorry Grey Owl, had to get a snicker at your expense (hehehehe)...
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:01:41 -0400
From: Robert_Gray@nps.gov
Subject: [at-l] Robert Gray/HFC/NPS is out of the office.
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I will be out of the office starting 06/07/2003 and will not return until
06/14/2003.
I am off on vacation to the Outer Banks. Angela Walters will have my
telephone number so call her at (304) 535-6278 to leave urgent messages.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 03:55:48 -0400
From: Kenneth Knight
Subject: [at-l] Spring AT hike: Rock Gap, NC to Davenport Gap, TN
To: GLH , bpltetons
, AT-L ,
backpackinglight
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It's taken a month to get this all done but I have just uploaded my most recent AT section hike to my website. This trip took me from Rock Gap, North Carolina to Devenport Gap, Tennessee. The trip journal is at . The photo gallery alone is at . You can, of course, find other travel journals and photo collections on my main Travel page and a list of the latest additions to the website can be found on the main home page at .
I hope you enjoy what you find. Keep in mind that there are several movies this time. You'll need Apple's QuickTime to view them. Though the non-QTVR movies (all of them save one) may be viewable with any MPEG-4 player. Macs have QuickTime installed (if you can upgrade to the latest version you should). Winodws versions are available at Apple.
** Ken **
** Kenneth Knight Web Design, IT Consultant, Software Engineer **
** krk@speakeasy.org http://www.speakeasy.org/~krk **
** Ultralight backpacker http://www.speakeasy.org/~krk **
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:21:15 -0400
From: greyowl@rcn.com
Subject: Re: [at-l] Wet 2003
To: RoksnRoots@aol.com
Cc: AT-L@Backcountry.net
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Yep,
We have had plent of rain this year, ut believe it or not we
still have had less than the normal amount of rainfall for
the year! Trail work got rained out on Saturday :-( I think
July is going to be wet and humid (I don't know about hot,
yestrday's high did not make it to 62).
Grey Owl
---- Original message ----
>Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:27:59 EDT
>From: RoksnRoots@aol.com
>Subject: [at-l] Wet 2003
>To: AT-L@Backcountry.net
>
> From March:
>
> " I would not bet on water in PA. Even though
> we have had many rainy days and a lot of snow, most
> water sources are near the top of the ridge line.
> Plenty of water now (With mud up to your eyeballs),
> but come July it will be hard to find.Besides with
> all this extra rain there should be a good cropof PA
> Rocks. -Grey Owl "
>
> Sorry Grey Owl, had to get a snicker at your
> expense (hehehehe)...
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 07:52:50 -0400
From: Steve Landis
Subject: Re: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
To: ATL
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Yup, sorry I was in paddling mode. All this water is very exciting when
you have a garage full of boats. Thanks for the translation Walt.
Steve
Walter Daniels wrote:
> Techical kayaker terms not hiking terms.
> Wave train is a series of standing waves in the stream
> Strainer is things like blowdowns across the stream that filter out
> kayakers, in the worst case tipping them over and trapping them below water
> level.
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: at-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>>[mailto:at-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Jim Lynch
>>Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:49 PM
>>To: Steve Landis
>>Cc: AT-L
>>Subject: Re: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
>>
>>
>>Hi, Little help on vernacular please
>>what's a 'wave train'?
>>what's a 'strainer'?
>>Thanks!!
>>(sorry to be asking newbie-type questions!)
>>
>>Steve Landis wrote:
>>
>>>The Trail near the Scott Farm at the bridge is under water. The
>>>Conodoquinet Creek is over it's banks and we are expecting a
>>>thunderstorm tonight. While scouting the creek for a
>>
>>possible paddle
>>
>>>today ran into a couple of day hikers there who were hiking
>>
>>from Boiling
>>
>>>Springs to Wertzville Road who had to bushwhack around the
>>
>>flooding. I
>>
>>>ended up doing a short paddle on Mountain Creek which is running at
>>>Class III today but had to cut it short because I was alone
>>
>>and the wave
>>
>>>train going thru Mt Holly Springs was full of strainers and it just
>>>wasn't safe.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>>James P. ('Jim') Lynch
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:10:04 -0400
From: "Mark Hudson"
Subject: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
To: at-l@backcountry.net
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I've been trying to convince the guys at work that 50 degrees and overcast
is actually about perfect for carrying a pack. I'm not sure they're buying
.
Forturnately the FLT doesn't have enough foot traffic to turn to mud. The
hard part wasn't so much the rain as that it would rain for a morning and
then be gray for three more days. So day 4 you're walking through a field
and getting soaked from the grass still wet from day 1.
I was also lucky that when the heaviest rains fell I was by chance in town
or by doing some long miles in a shelter. Packing everything up in a
morning downpour is about the most depressing thing on the trail (still
better than being at work).
So, if I had a choice this wouldn't be my year for a thru-hike. However, if
I didn't have a choice I'd still go!
skeeter
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:23:03 -0400
From: Steve Landis
Subject: Re: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
To: ATL
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BTW for those who don't know, Mountain Creek is the creek that flows
north along the Trail between Fuller Lake and Laurel Lake near the
halfway point. Ok, now we're back on topic.
Steve
Steve Landis wrote:
> Yup, sorry I was in paddling mode. All this water is very exciting when
> you have a garage full of boats. Thanks for the translation Walt.
>
> Steve
>
> Walter Daniels wrote:
>
>> Techical kayaker terms not hiking terms.
>> Wave train is a series of standing waves in the stream
>> Strainer is things like blowdowns across the stream that filter out
>> kayakers, in the worst case tipping them over and trapping them below
>> water
>> level.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>>> [mailto:at-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Jim Lynch
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:49 PM
>>> To: Steve Landis
>>> Cc: AT-L
>>> Subject: Re: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Little help on vernacular please
>>> what's a 'wave train'?
>>> what's a 'strainer'?
>>> Thanks!!
>>> (sorry to be asking newbie-type questions!)
>>>
>>> Steve Landis wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Trail near the Scott Farm at the bridge is under water. The
>>>> Conodoquinet Creek is over it's banks and we are expecting a
>>>> thunderstorm tonight. While scouting the creek for a
>>>
>>>
>>> possible paddle
>>>
>>>> today ran into a couple of day hikers there who were hiking
>>>
>>>
>>> from Boiling
>>>
>>>> Springs to Wertzville Road who had to bushwhack around the
>>>
>>>
>>> flooding. I
>>>
>>>> ended up doing a short paddle on Mountain Creek which is running at
>>>> Class III today but had to cut it short because I was alone
>>>
>>>
>>> and the wave
>>>
>>>> train going thru Mt Holly Springs was full of strainers and it just
>>>> wasn't safe.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> James P. ('Jim') Lynch
>>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:14:18 -0400
From: "Jim Bullard"
Subject: Re: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
To:
Message-ID: <000a01c32e89$08d88270$6400a8c0@Jim>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hudson"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:10 AM
Subject: [at-l] 2003 Rain Year
> I've been trying to convince the guys at work that 50 degrees and overcast
> is actually about perfect for carrying a pack. I'm not sure they're buying
Yes, 50 degrees is great. Overcast is a bit depressing. Day after day of
rain is a bummer.
> Forturnately the FLT doesn't have enough foot traffic to turn to mud.
My only (vicarious) experience of the FLT is courtesy of "10 Million Steps".
Judging from Nomad's description a lot of it is underwater in wet years.
> I was also lucky that when the heaviest rains fell I was by chance in town
> or by doing some long miles in a shelter.
How do you do long miles in a shelter? :) (I know what you meant but the
phrasing gave me a chuckle.)
>Packing everything up in a
> morning downpour is about the most depressing thing on the trail (still
> better than being at work).
>
> So, if I had a choice this wouldn't be my year for a thru-hike. However,
if
> I didn't have a choice I'd still go!
I had a choice and I didn't, but not because of the weather. OTOH how would
one know when setting out in March or April whether the sun would shine on
you only once or twice a fortnight? If you started and quit because you were
continually rained on the first few weeks, it could change to drought right
after you decided to postpone until the next year. Even with all our
technology forecasts beyond a few days still aren't very accurate.
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