[pct-l] re: Peeing water blister town eats bear snakes

[spiritbear2k at hotmail.com (Ginny & Jim Owen)]

Jackalope wrote:
>It seems that some people are getting pretty offended. I am not saying that 
>this is without reason. Earlier in this thread, I recall someone mentioning 
>that a new list member might be "turned off" by such an unfriendly and 
>sometimes un-PCT like discussion.

So tell me - in your opinion, what exactly constitutes a "PCT-like 
discussion"?  And how do "your" personal attacks qualify as legitimate 
discussion on pct-l?  <g>


>I had the same experience on the CDT-L. As I plan for my 2006 hike next 
>year, I am already dreaming about at CDT thru hike. I joined the list 
>smack-dab in the midst of a nasty thread between Jim Owen and basically 
>everyone else. He was insulting people right and left and telling them to 
>leave the list if everyone couldn't handle him telling them they were 
>stupid or "uneducated" for not seeing things his way.

If you're gonna lie about me, dear, you should really do it in places where 
you're not likely to run into me.  Like maybe in the Trailjournals 
guestbooks?  But that didn't work out for you either, did it?  Yeah - I know 
about your lies and nastiness there - I just didn't figure you were worth 
answering.

Now - I'll challenge you to back up your alligator mouth with facts.  Where 
and when did I say any of those things?

To my knowledge, I've never told anyone to leave "any" list - I've never 
told "anyone" on cdt-l (or pct-l) that they're stupid, although I've 
definitely told some people that their "actions" were stupid (there IS a 
difference) - and I've never asked, demanded or expected that anyone see 
things "my way."  But I've sure run into some astoundingly ignorant people. 
And there are times when I'm not shy about pointing out their ignorance.  
Some of them get insulted about that.  That's their problem and they should 
deal with it.  Maybe by learning that "opinion" doesn't qualify as "fact"?


>I don't care who has logged more miles than me, who has been on the list 
>longer, or if they even dug the whole damn trail by hand. No one has the 
>right to talk to another person like that and it certainly shouldn't be 
>tolerated on a list such as the CDT-L or the PCT-L. After that thread, I 
>have no burning desire to participate
>in CDT-L discussions which is precisely what Yogi predicted would happen in 
>a post she made concerning said "debate".

1. You never participated on cdt-l before that discussion.  There's no 
reason to believe that you ever would have done so.

2. I have every right to return the same degree of courtesy and respect that 
I'm accorded - whether in person or on an email list.  And I sometimes do 
exactly that.  You also failed to mention the personal attacks that 
precipitated that cdt-l discussion.


>Why don't we all just agree to disagree and move on. Granted, bearvault 
>discussions are not as philosophically stimulating as the existence (or 
>not) of a supreme being - but that is the purpose of this list, no?

No - the purpose of this list - as with every other hiking related list - is 
to discuss those things that relate to hiking.  And that includes a lot more 
than food and bear cans.  Religion, God and spirituality are perfectly valid 
subjects as long as you adhere to Brick's rules - as he defined them here:

http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2005-September/025857.html

Or haven't you figured out yet that thruhiking a long trail (ANY long trail) 
is a "head trip" and has little to do with stoves and bear cans.

>Neutrally yours,

Naah - there's nothing "neutral" about your post.

You also said:
>I am a scientist by occupation and by nature (no pun intended).

So am I, dear - and based on this little "discussion" I have a real problem 
believing that statement.  Science is based on open discussion of "facts" - 
something you seem reluctant to get involved with.  Unless you're what's 
sometimes called a "pre-conceptual" scientist?   Whatever - it's not 
something I'll miss any meals over.

Now - if you have something to say about cdt-l - or me, why don't you take 
it to cdt-l - or discuss it with me privately.  What you've done so far is 
to dump your venom in places where you thought I wouldn't find it.  And 
that's simply cowardice -

Finally - for Brick -
My apologies, but this BS has been dumped in too many places for me to 
continue ignoring it.  I'm getting a little tired of the nasty little 
"multi-media whispering campaign" that's being conducted against me and 
Ginny.  If anyone has a beef with me, they know where to find me -

Walk softly,
Jim


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