Re: [at-l] Joel Shiver: My introduction (L-O-N-G)

["FannyPack - 96GA2ME" <fannypack96@hotmail.com>]

law enforcement??, aren't they the ones who get a supplement from the 
lawyers???
-FP


----Original Message Follows----
From: "KCF" <wareagle@ioa.com>
To: "At-l" <at-l@backcountry.net>, <JoelShiver@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Joel Shiver: My introduction (L-O-N-G)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:15:58 -0700

Guess he told you,,,huh,,,Sly,,,,watch your  comments on police please,,,I
worked in law enforcement for many many years,,,there are always two sides
to a story and then the truth and then the one the lawyers tells! KC

-----Original Message-----
From: JoelShiver@aol.com <JoelShiver@aol.com>
To: Slyinmd@aol.com <Slyinmd@aol.com>; at-l@backcountry.net
<at-l@backcountry.net>
Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [at-l] Joel Shiver: My introduction (L-O-N-G)


 >In a message dated 10/27/99 11:22:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Slyinmd
writes:
 >
 >> Irony is someone who makes their living off of someone elses misery.
 >>
 >>  Sly
 >
 >Sly, if that is a personal critisism of me, you ought to have kept it
 >private.  But, since you posted it to the list, I'm gone respond on the
list.
 > Now, I don't mind criticism because if its from someone who knows what
 >they're talking about, I can learn something.  And if its from someone who
 >does not, then I maybe can help them learn something.   But please, let's
not
 >clutter up the list with stuff such as this.
 >
 >If that is to mean that you take some offense at lawyers, you need to
 >understand this.  I am a public defender.  I do not take any money from my
 >clients.    I receive a salary from the state, no matter how many hours I
put
 >in or what.  And that salary is $ 42,000 per year, and it's taken me 8
years
 >for it to get to be that much, and I pay nearly $300.00 a month on my law
 >school loan. I am not in this business for the money.  I'm able to provide
 >for my family.  Although I am not able to provide everything my children
 >want, I try to help them understand that material things are way down on
the
 >list of things that are improtant about living life.  They don't have the
 >fanciest clothes, or fanciest toys, but they do okay.  We don't have nor 
do
 >we need fancy cars or a big house.  I live in a cozy doublewide trailer in
 >the woods.  And, I'll tell you something else, there is a waiting list a
mile
 >long of people who want to work at my job.
 >
 >You also need to be aware that there are people out there fighting in
various
 >ways to help preserve the freedoms you enjoy.  Those battles do not solely
 >occur on the battlefields, and the "soldiers" aren't always dressed in
 >fatigues.  More than likely, you see somebody dressed in fatigues in our
 >towns, it's probably police and you are their enemy. Don't make the 
mistake
 >of thinking they wouldn't get you if you gave them half a reason to.
 >
 >I help people, most of whom don't have a pot to pee in, who have been
charged
 >with criminal offenses.  Most of my clients are guilty.  I plead probably
90
 >% out.  I'm there to make sure they don't get run over just because 
they're
 >poor.  But some have been the victims of dishonest policemen, or other
 >circumstances that makes the charges against them unfair or inappropriate
or
 >victims of mistaken identity.  You never been accused of anything you
didn't
 >do?  You've never mistaken a stranger for someone you know?  You believe
that
 >all policemen are honest and ethical?  Look at what just happened in LA,
for
 >God's sake.  It happens more than people realize, and it happens on the
 >streets of even our little towns every day to a lesser extent.  Cops
 >overestimating your speed increases the fine )and makes a bigger strike
 >against your driving record).  Speed traps are probably the most innocuose
 >examples.   I do know some police men and police women which I feel to be
 >utterly honest and beyond reproach.  But I have caught others in pretty
nasty
 >lies against people.  Now you got me started, but I'll just back off.
 >
 >One other thing, there a many, many people in jail who are completely
 >innocent. Just look at how many have been recently released (after 
spending
a
 >big part of their lives in jail for something they didn't do) because of
the
 >new technology in DNA evidence able to prove they didn't do it. Too bad we
 >don't have a similar test for eyewitness identification.   What is scary 
is
 >that as our rights erode, victims of the drug war, we are all placed at
 >greater risk of being inocent victims of that war.  Its a thin line that
 >separates us from the other side of the law.
 >
 >And I love lawyer jokes.
 >
 >Now, Sly, whaddaya say about that?
 >
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