[at-l] FantasyLand <OFF TOPIC> {Was: Did Any of You See This?---}

[jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer)]

I said that FDA allowed them to use surrogate markers rather than testing
for actual efficacy for the disease being treated. Read the entire PBS
website by that physician who apparently was involved in the NIH study which
found the problems with those drugs.

You are the one who essentially claimed that this entire issue was
fabricated by me.

Bryan

 Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: W F Thorneloe [mailto:thornel@attglobal.net]
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 19:38
> To: J Bryan Kramer
> Cc: at-l
> Subject: RE: [at-l] FantasyLand <OFF TOPIC> {Was: Did Any of You See
> This?---}
>
>
> Sorry that I didn't express myself adequately for your understanding.
>
> I responded to your assertion that FDA no longer requires proof of
> efficacy. You reported that some book taught you that the FDA doesn't
> review clinical studies. Either the book or you apparently do not
> understand either the strengths or the shortcomings of scientific
> clinical
> studies. Apparently you feel that cussing and name calling will cover up
> your lack of understanding of these important, albeit subtle, issues.
>
> I can assure you that I never prescribed that particular agent. I
> can also
> assure you that I have prescribed other agents that experience
> proved to be
> useless or harmful. As an adult, I understand that there are no
> guarantees
> in life. I offered you examples of agents in which many physicians have
> been "wrong", me included. I really don't find it all that difficult to
> accept error as an opportunity to learn how to avoid that error.
>
> Maybe, you will mature and gain such a talent. It would be very
> valuable to
> a genius. Maybe you will post on a real world AT issue.
>
> OrangeBug
>
> At 06:40 PM 7/17/2004 -0400, J Bryan Kramer wrote:
> >Well you asked for a drug that FDA approved with no proof of
> efficacy and I
> >gave it to you. But now as usual you can't admit you were wrong.
> Tell me how
> >many patients did you prescribe that drug for? Any of them go toes up?
>
>