[at-l] Violence at 4 Pines Hostel.

[jbullar1 at twcny.rr.com (Jim Bullard)]

So if a person blacks out due to a physical illness while driving and hurts
someone unintentionally, is your solution to 'kick their ass'? If 'kicking
their ass' in any of these cases, because it makes you feel better, good
enough reason to do it even though it solves nothing? "For all we know
Ragamuffin was also drunk or just plain mean"? So let's go beat the crap out
of him just in case? That's crap and you know it. The very first post about
that incident said that he "apparently had a mental illness". Go back and
look. Nowhere did it suggest that he was drunk nor has anyone suggested that
they had reason to believe he was mean, yet you insist on believing
otherwise and advocate that someone should beat him up to 'fix' the
situation.

I like and respect you Sly, but you are being irrational about this.
Resorting or advocating resorting to violence as punishment because
something that happened between other people made you angry is not the
solution. I repeat what I said then, no one here has enough information to
make any decisions about the appropriate response.

----- Original Message -----
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
To: jbullar1@twcny.rr.com ; at-l@backcountry.net
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [at-l] Violence at 4 Pines Hostel.

I didn't buy your explanation the first time and I don't buy it now.  For
all we know Ragamuffin was also drunk or just plain mean.  No where in the
previous posts was he diagnosed as mental ill, only thought to be.  Well, if
you ask me anyone that beats on a woman is mentally ill.

Alcoholism can also be considered a illness, but here you're not willing to
excuse that fact.  Make up your mind.

Whether a good ole ass kicking does any good or not, they still deserve it.

Sly

In a message dated 6/13/2003 6:51:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jbullar1@twcny.rr.com writes:

The difference is that this guy chose to get drunk and is responsible for
the consequences of that choice. People don't choose to have a mental
illness. It is appropriate in either case to do what is necessary at the
moment deal with the situation as safely as possible by restraining the
violent party. It is highly inappropriate (and totally ineffective) to beat
up a mentally ill person as punishment for having a mental illness. While I
sympathize with your gut level response (kick his asss) on this one, I doubt
it would resolve the problem here either.