[at-l] Re: AT-L digest, Vol 1 #224 - 30 msgs

[jball65@home.com (Jason Ball)]

Here, here, Jim.

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>    1. Re(2): [at-l] News... (Sharon Sharpe)
>    2. Re: Re(2): [at-l] News... (Mara Factor)
>    3. Tyvek (John O)
>    4. Re(2): [at-l] News... (kahley7)
>    5. Trail Days attendees - (DaRedhead@aol.com)
>    6. Re: News... (W F Thorneloe)
>    7. RE: communications (Jim and/or Ginny Owen)
>    8. RE: communications (W F Thorneloe)
>    9. Re: Gooch Mountain Shelter Special Work Trip (hopefl@juno.com)
>   10. Last word on cell phone (PO2CO2@aol.com)
>   11. checks... (richard mann)
>   12. RE: checks... (L. Parker)
>   13. Re: News... (Snodrog5@aol.com)
>   14. Re: Trail Days attendees - (Snodrog5@aol.com)
>   15. Re: checks... (richard mann)
>   16. Re: The weekend of "The Finger" (RoksnRoots@aol.com)
>   17. Wanchor Report (Bluetrail@aol.com)
>   18. Re:  Re Trangia (Kenneth Knight)
>   19. Re: Wanchor Report (FLATers@webtv.net)
>   20. good thought (FLATers@webtv.net)
>   21. RE: checks... (kahley7)
>   22. quit-smoking hike update... (richard mann)
>   23. Re: RE: [at-l] checks... (Sharon Sharpe)
>   24. Re: communications (Richard S. Lubitz)
>   25. VBS virus (hopefl@juno.com)
>   26. Re:  fond things remembered (Kenneth Knight)
>   27. Deal on a jacket (DaRedhead@aol.com)
>   28. (boot questions) (Paul Miller(Wisperlight))
>   29. Re: VBS virus (DaRedhead@aol.com)
>   30. Re: (boot questions) (Slyatpct@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:59:25 -0500
> Subject: Re(2): [at-l] News...
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> From: "Sharon Sharpe" <ssharpe@wellesley.edu>
>
> Right now I feel so light I should go on a long hike immediatly so my
> bouyant spirits will carry all my stuff for me!  Come with me I'll carry
> yours too.
>
> Thanks!
>
> SS
> m_factor@hotmail.com writes:
> >Congratulations!
> >
> >Just remember, when it comes time to sign up for courses, weigh the
> >required
> >books first so you can carry the lightest load when you go for your fall
> >weekend hikes.  ;-)
> >
> >Mara
> >Stitches, GAME99
> >
> >
> >>From: "Sharon Sharpe" <ssharpe@wellesley.edu>
> >>Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:06:16 -0500
> >>
> >>Hi everybody....  Just wanted to share again.  I have been accepted at
> >>BU!...
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>
> Sharon Sharpe
> Head Athletic Trainer
> Wellesley College
> Wellesley MA
> ssharpe@wellesley.edu
>
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> Message: 2
> From: "Mara Factor" <m_factor@hotmail.com>
> To: ssharpe@wellesley.edu, at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: Re(2): [at-l] News...
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:16:15 -0400
>
> What's this?  Someone else WANTS to carry my pack?  WOW!  Now let's see -
> How soon can I wrap everything up and go for a long hike?  Well, if I...
>
> Well, thanks for the offer Sharon but I think it'll be another year or two
> before I take another leave.
>
> Wish it was NOW though,
>
> Mara
> Stitches, GAME99
>
>
> >From: "Sharon Sharpe" <ssharpe@wellesley.edu>
> >Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:59:25 -0500
> >
> >Right now I feel so light I should go on a long hike immediatly so my
> >bouyant spirits will carry all my stuff for me!  Come with me I'll carry
> >yours too.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >SS
> >m_factor@hotmail.com writes:
> > >Congratulations!
> > >
> > >Just remember, when it comes time to sign up for courses, weigh the
> > >required
> > >books first so you can carry the lightest load when you go for your
fall
> > >weekend hikes.  ;-)
> > >
> > >Mara
> > >Stitches, GAME99
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Sharon Sharpe" <ssharpe@wellesley.edu>
> > >>Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:06:16 -0500
> > >>
> > >>Hi everybody....  Just wanted to share again.  I have been accepted at
> > >>BU!...
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:27:30 -0400
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> From: John O <johno@mail.monmouth.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Tyvek
>
> I'll pass on info sent to me from one of the DuPont Tyvek® Specialist
> John O
>
> John,
>
> I am a DuPont Tyvek® Specialist in Arkansas.  I happened to run across
your
> web page and your creative uses of Tyvek®.  There are a few issues I
thought
> I would clarify with you regarding our product.  Tyvek® HomeWrap® is a
> weather-resistant membrane that both water and air molecules cannot
> penetrate.  I noticed that your web page said that Tyvek® is a vapor
> barrier.  This is definitely incorrect!!!  Tyvek® breathes moisture vapor,
> thus it is NOT a barrier to vapor.  An example of a vapor barrier is
> visquine, or trash bag type material.
>
> Also, Tyvek® breathes in both directions and is water resistant in both
> directions.  So, it is not necessary for the ink to be facing the outside
of
> your tents.  It will work just as well facing the inside.  This is a
common
> myth regarding Tyvek®.
>
> If you attempt to paint, or "cover up" the white facing of Tyvek®, you
will
> also affect its breathability.  This could possibly cause condensation to
> occur inside your tent (if moisture vapor cannot escape through the
Tyvek®).
>
> There is an adhesive tape that we manufacture and it is engineered
strictly
> for Tyvek®.  It is called DuPont Tyvek® Contractor Tape.  This is the same
> adhesive that is used on Fed-Ex envelopes (which are also made of Tyvek®).
> It is very strong when attaching Tyvek® to Tyvek® and provides a permanent
> bond.
>
> You may also be interested in the fact that we have 2 other types of
> building wraps besides HomeWrap®.  We produce CommericalWrap®, which is
much
> thicker and stronger, and we produce StuccoWrap®, which has moisture
> drainage channels and it is not as stiff as HomeWrap®.
>
> Check out our web address:  www.tyvek.com and link to "construction
> products".
>
>
> John, I am not quite sure of the exact ink application procedures and ink
> types used on our Tyvek® products, but I do know that where there is ink
on
> Tyvek®, the material does not breathe nearly as much.  Any application of
> ink or any other coating will clog up the microscopic pores which allows
the
> product to breathe.  Of course, the lettering on Tyvek® HomeWrap® is very
> minimal considering the product overall, and is not an issue to the
overall
> moisture vapor transmission when applied to a wall (or in your case, used
as
> a tent!)  Myself, as a field specialist and product representative, I sell
> Tyvek® to lumber yards, work with architects, and provide support in the
> field.  Your best place to find scraps of Tyvek® would be in new
> subdivisions where Tyvek® has been applied.  There are always scraps left
> over after installing on a new home.
>
> To my knowledge, there has been no testing on the results of machine
washing
> our materials and their ability to maintain their water resistance.  I
will
> tell you that Tyvek® is water-resistant because of its make-up and the way
> the polyethlylene fibers are spun, heat-pressed, and bonded.  Not because
of
> any additives or chemicals.  Thus, machine washing should not harm the
> material (unless the machine is rough enough to actually tear the Tyvek®
or
> puncture holes in it).  NOTE:  SOAP CAN AFFECT THE WATER-RESISTANCE OF
> TYVEK®.  Do not use soap.  Soap also affects the water reisistance of any
> other weather-resistant membrane.
>
> To my knowledge, there is no other material that is as light as Tyvek®
> HomeWrap® that provides all the same properties of Tyvek®:  Durability,
> water-resistance, air-resistance, and high moisture vapor transmission
> (breathability).  Other brands of housewrap are not water-resistant, in
that
> they are punctured with tiny pinholes over the entire surface to allow for
> breathing to occur.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>              "It does not require many words to speak the truth."
>                       Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce Tribe
>
>                    http://www.monmouth.com/~johno/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:35:47 -0500
> To: "Sharon Sharpe" <ssharpe@wellesley.edu>, at-l@backcountry.net
> From: kahley7 <kahley7@ptd.net>
> Subject: Re(2): [at-l] News...
>
>
> Dear Boss,
> I have found my own personal sherpa.
> Please consider this my notice.
> Thanks
>
>
>
> At 12:59 PM 5/9/01 -0500, Sharon Sharpe wrote:
>
> >Right now I feel so light I should go on a long hike immediatly so my
> >bouyant spirits will carry all my stuff for me!  Come with me I'll carry
> >yours too.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >SS
> >m_factor@hotmail.com writes:
> > >Congratulations!
> > >
> > >Just remember, when it comes time to sign up for courses, weigh the
> > >required
> > >books first so you can carry the lightest load when you go for your
fall
> > >weekend hikes.  ;-)
> > >
> > >Mara
> > >Stitches, GAME99
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Sharon Sharpe" <ssharpe@wellesley.edu>
> > >>Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:06:16 -0500
> > >>
> > >>Hi everybody....  Just wanted to share again.  I have been accepted at
> > >>BU!...
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> >
> >Sharon Sharpe
> >Head Athletic Trainer
> >Wellesley College
> >Wellesley MA
> >ssharpe@wellesley.edu
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:59:28 EDT
> From: DaRedhead@aol.com
> To: <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Trail Days attendees -
>
> I hope I'm not leaving anyone out - I accidently deleted my entire "old
mail" folder . . . I know someone cancelled, but I can't remember who now .
. .
>
> Anklebear
> Bearbag & Sweet Pea
> Belcher
> Chase
> Dan Myers
> Datto
> Dutch Treat
> Felix (99.9%) & Ellie
> Fur & Landslides (strong possibles)
> Hummingbird
> John & Bethany
> Kurt (AndrePrenuer <g>)
> Miss Janet
> Mr. Ed (probably)
> MrsGorp
> Orangebug (mostly sure)
> Pat Burns
> Pickle (the hiker formerly known as Waterboy)
> Pittsburgh
> Plum Crazy (Definite Maybe)
> POG
> RamBunny (small possible)
> Ready & Spur
> RivaQueen & friend Jim
> Saunterer (maybe)
> Skyline
> Sloetoe
> *** (not saying nothing) (ed. note: starts w/ S and is three letters)
> Springfever
> Stitches
> Tennessee Tom (60% sure)
> The Redhead, Shannon and Nikki
> Tony (not Ditto)
> Waterfall
> weathercarrot
>
> Ride needed:  The Amazing Tin Can Stove Man needs a ride - someone offer
up so we can all get stoves :)
>
> TCSM says:  Anyone coming from or passing through Charlottesville or
Richmond, VA will be passing quite close to my sanctum sanctorium, and I can
meet you in either of these cities. I am, of course, quite happy to help
with gas $$ and with driving, if so desired.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:58:12 -0400
> To: "Sharon Sharpe" <ssharpe@wellesley.edu>
> From: W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] News...
> Cc: at-l@backcountry.net
>
> Hmmm....
>
> Have a life _and_ attend BU? That sounds like some challenge. I do want to
> make sure that you alert us when you will be appearing with Ally McBeal
and
> company on stage singing. I just hope America is ready for a rock version
> of some of our hiking tunes.
>
> OrangeBug
>
> At 12:06 PM 5/9/2001 -0500, Sharon Sharpe wrote:
> >Hi everybody....  Just wanted to share again.  I have been accepted at
BU!
> >  So it remains to be seen what that does to my plans to have a life,
> >but.... onward and upward!
>
>
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> Message: 7
> From: "Jim and/or Ginny Owen" <spiriteagle99@hotmail.com>
> To: Patrick.Elliott@allina.com, daveh@psknet.com, at-l@edina.hack.net
> Subject: RE: [at-l] communications
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:58:36 -0000
>
> "Elliott, Patrick S" <Patrick.Elliott@allina.com> wrote:
> >
> >This thread has regressed way past the original post.
>
> Patrick -
> While I understand why you might think so, I can't agree with you.  But I
> will say "thank you"  :-)
>
> >The person
> >originally stated that they only wanted to carry a cell phone for
> >emergencies.  Just in case something happens.
>
> And that's precisely the point that a lot of people miss - that carrying a
> cell phone "Just in case something happens" is the end result of fear.
One
> of the things many long distance hikers tell others is to not carry
anything
> that can be labelled "spare" or "extra" because they'd be carrying them
> "just in case".  It's extraneous and unnecessary weight.  For example,
> carrying spare batteries for your flashlight is an exercise in futility
if,
> like I did, you only use one set of batteries between Springer and
Katahdin
> - it's extra weight that you don't need to carry.  The only reason for
> carrying them would be that you're afraid of the dark.  "Just in case" =
> fear.
>
> Similarly, for a thruhiker, carrying a cell phone "just in case" is
> generally an expression of the fear of being "out of contact" with
humanity,
> or "civilization" or "the world".  By any name you want to call it - it's
> still fear.
>
>
> >The discussion had
> >nothing to do with the need to constantly keep in contact with the
> >civilized world.
>
> Of course it did. As a thruhiker, why else would you carry a cell phone if
> your expressed desire is to leave the "civilized world" behind?  For a
> thruhiker, the only purpose for a cell phone is to "stay in contact" - to
> provide that "lifeline" to civilization that so many people feel the need
> for. Many of us tell ourselves that the cell phone will stay in the bottom
> of the pack - but how many times does it really happen that way?  How many
> times does the temptation arise to call for pizza - or for a shuttle - or
to
> talk to a wife or girlfriend - or ..... (whatever)?  And how many
thruhikers
> will resist that temptation?  In general, the thruhikers creed is - "Never
> pass up temptation, it might not come along again"  :-))
>
>
> >I think we all are in agreement that the primary goal
> >when hiking is to escape civilization.
>
> And now we're down to the nitty-gritty - if you're carrying a cell phone,
> have you really "escaped from civilization"?  If you can reach out and
touch
> it, then by my definition, you're still in the cage - it's just a little
> larger cage.
>
> One of the problems here is that most people don't believe that just
> carrying the cell phone (or any other material object) can change their
> attitude about what they're doing (like a thruhike).  Hopefully some of
them
> will learn - but I don't expect it'll be an easy lesson for some of them.
> It wasn't for me.
>
> An example - if you carry a gun, there's a level of paranoia that goes
with
> it.  There's always the awareness that it's there and the possibility that
> it "might be needed" and the responsibility to keep it and the people
around
> you safe.  If you don't believe that's a heavy load, then you just haven't
> thought about it.  But I can tell you that it definitely colors your
> attitude about life - it carries a level of responsibility that many
people
> today aren't comfortable with.  And it's much too heavy a load to carry
for
> a couple thousand miles on the trail.
>
> You can argue all you want that the difference between a gun and a cell
> phone negates my argument - but you'd be wrong.  The bottom line is that
> they're both inanimate objects that are carried largely out of fear.  And
> the fear, not the object, is what colors your attitude and therefore
changes
> your hike - or your life.  Yeah, carrying a gun would also change your
> attitude - and your hike. I dont recommend that either.
>
> I won't tell you that I never operate out of fear - that would be a
foolish
> assertion.  But when I discover that I'm doing so, I work to correct the
> situation, to eliminate the fear and its source, so I can live in freedom.
> Fear is a prison - whether on the trail or on the job - or anywhere else
in
> life.  On the trail it condemns you to carrying too much food (fear of
being
> hungry) or too heavy a sleeping bag (fear of being cold) - or even too big
a
> pack (fear of not being able to carry all the "stuff" to assuage all your
> other fears).  Or a cell phone.
>
> I have no problem whatever with NoName SOBO (or anyone else) carrying a
cell
> phone.  But I have a problem with people who do so without actually
thinking
> about what they're doing and why they're doing it and what the
consequences
> are.  Unfortunately, I've found that a lot of people don't really think
> much.  William James, the philosopher, said: "Most people believe they're
> thinking, when all they're really doing is rearranging their prejudices".
>
> I've also found that a lot of people don't understand the consequences of
> their actions.  For example, there was the PCT thruhiker last year who had
> airline tickets to leave Seattle on Oct 1.  We intended to finish the PCT
on
> Sept 25 and we were having trouble going slow enough to finish that late.
> He passed us in northern California.  Think about that - he was putting in
> bigger miles than we were, had the same distance to travel - and intended
to
> finish later than we did.  Where's the disconnect here?  It came as a
great
> shock to him when he realized what I was telling him - because he'd gotten
> into what Rosie used to call Male Macho Mileage mode - and turned his
brain
> off.  And he was, by any standard, a really bright person.
>
> Now - am I off-topic here?  Not at all.  This is ALL hiking related - if
you
> understand it.  If you don't - don't worry about it, it'll come to you
> sooner or later.  There was a time when I listened to an educational tape
30
> or 40 times trying to understand what the man was trying to tell me - and
> finally I gave up.  But when I came back and listened to that same tape 6
> months later, I was ready to hear what he was saying - I understood it the
> first time around.  And it changed my life.  Not all of us are ready to
hear
> what we're being told the first (or sometimes the twentieth) time we're
> told.
>
> I forgot to warn people that I'm still in "ramble" mode, didn't I?  Oh
well,
> for those who got this far - congratulations on your patience.  For the
> others, well - I've also found that those who need a message most usually
> don't bother listening to it.  So I'm probably preaching to the choir
again.
>   But that's life, isn't it  :-)
>
> Walk softly,
> Jim
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:06:36 -0400
> To: "Jim and/or Ginny Owen" <spiriteagle99@hotmail.com>
> From: W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] communications
> Cc: at-l@edina.hack.net
>
> On the other hand, Fear is a valued friend. It can keep you out of prison
> or other trouble. The old Ying-Yang of confidence and fear is vital to
> keep. I hope that most everyone carries some excessive baggage with them.
A
> first aid kit - for instance. Even Nimblewill Nomad had a well conceived
> first aid kit. Hopefully, no one will ever need it or use it.
>
> OrangeBug
>
> At 08:58 PM 5/9/2001 +0000, Jim and/or Ginny Owen wrote:
> >I won't tell you that I never operate out of fear - that would be a
> >foolish assertion.  But when I discover that I'm doing so, I work to
> >correct the situation, to eliminate the fear and its source, so I can
live
> >in freedom.
> >Fear is a prison - whether on the trail or on the job - or anywhere else
> >in life.  On the trail it condemns you to carrying too much food (fear of
> >being hungry) or too heavy a sleeping bag (fear of being cold) - or even
> >too big a pack (fear of not being able to carry all the "stuff" to
assuage
> >all your other fears).  Or a cell phone.
>
>
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> Message: 9
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:51:37 -0600
> From: hopefl@juno.com
> Subject: [at-l] Re: Gooch Mountain Shelter Special Work Trip
>
> Speaking of cell phones hiking on the AT, does anybody want to do some
> work?
>
> Below is a note I got from a GATC member who is a key person involved in
> the Blackwell Creek relocation project which includes a new shelter. If
> anyone wants to assist please let me know.
>
> Also, a Konnarock crew will be working on this project this spring and
> summer. Their first work session is May 24 to June 4. To be a member of
> the crew you need to apply through the ATC. However, passersby have often
> stopped and worked with the crew. The effort was appreciated. I plan to
> drop in and help some the weekend of May 26-27.  Hopeful
>
>
> > The first official Special Work Trip at the site of the Gooch
> > Mountain Shelter
> > has been scheduled for Monday, May 14.  We will be clearing the
> > site, which
> > will involve felling approximately 10 trees.  We have arranged for
> > people who
> > are certified to use chainsaws in the National Forest to do the
> > felling, but
> > we also need a few other people to help remove branches from the
> > site and to
> > remove the bark from some of the larger trunks after they are cut
> > into 12'
> > lengths.  The logs will be used on the tent pads that will be
> > constructed at
> > the May 19th work trip.
> >
> > I realize that this special work trip has been scheduled on a Monday
> > and many
> > of you will have to work that day, but I hope that several of you
> > will be able
> > to assist us.  We will provide all tools, primarily chainsaws,
> > bowsaws, and
> > draw knives, but we need your muscles to drag branches off into the
> > woods.
> >
> > This will be a wonderful opportunity for you to visit this site at a
> > time when
> > the many flame azalea in the area are in bloom.  You will also be
> > some of the
> > first people to walk on the part of the new trail constructed by
> > students from
> > the University of New Hampshire.
> >
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> Message: 10
> From: PO2CO2@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:17:31 EDT
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] Last word on cell phone
>
> Thanks for your input.......after seeing all the posts and thinking about
> them, I have decided NOT to "carry", even if the service area was
excellent!!
>  One of my reasons is to get away from it all.  Even if it were there for
> emergencies only, I know me, I'd come up with a very liberal meaning for
> emergency.
>
> Can I impose one more question?  Whats your favorite footwear and why?
>
> no name SOBO
>
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> Message: 11
> From: "richard mann" <hike-usa@msn.com>
> To: <AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:17:22 -0400
> Subject: [at-l] checks...
>
> I sent you two checks today - one for the tarp - one for your 2000 bonus
> (smile now).  It is the same amount (and deductions) as a regular
> paycheck...
>
> p
>
>
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> Message: 12
> From: "L. Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>
> To: "'richard mann'" <hike-usa@msn.com>, <AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] checks...
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:37:55 -0500
>
>
> > I sent you two checks today - one for the tarp - one for your
> > 2000 bonus
> > (smile now).  It is the same amount (and deductions) as a regular
> > paycheck...
> >
>
> Wait a minute! As I remember the definition of a regular paycheck, I ended
> up owing the company money...
>
> Lee I Joe
>
>
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> Message: 13
> From: Snodrog5@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:31:37 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] News...
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
>
> In a message dated 5/9/01 12:14:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ssharpe@wellesley.edu writes:
>
>
> > I have been accepted at BU!
> >
>
> B.U. is lucky to have you, Sharon!
> TJ
>
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> Message: 14
> From: Snodrog5@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:45:18 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Trail Days attendees -
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
>
> Count me out!
> I'll be at the annual Trail Daze North at Katahdin Stream Campground!
> Last year, we had a record eight people! (counting the Ranger)
> They really should have Trail Days later in the month some year, so I can
go!
> TJ < will go during his thru-hike
>
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> Message: 15
> From: "richard mann" <hike-usa@msn.com>
> To: "L. Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>, <AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] checks...
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:49:28 -0400
>
> oops, not meant for the list - sorry.  Gotta pay more attention...
>
> pittsia the brain dead
>
>
>
> >
> > > I sent you two checks today - one for the tarp - one for your
> > > 2000 bonus
> > > (smile now).  It is the same amount (and deductions) as a regular
> > > paycheck...
> > >
> >
> > Wait a minute! As I remember the definition of a regular paycheck, I
ended
> > up owing the company money...
> >
> > Lee I Joe
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 16
> From: RoksnRoots@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:07:51 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] The weekend of "The Finger"
> To: hudsom@us.ibm.com
> CC: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> In a message dated 5/9/01 7:00:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
hudsom@us.ibm.com
> writes:
>
> << While building a rock water bar with the NY-NJ-TC I managed to get my
left
>  index finger between a rock and a hard place. This is know as a crush
>  injury, and would have qualified for that gruesome slide show that's been
>  run at the last couple of Gatherings >>
>
>
>       Yeah, I've wacked the fingers on trailwork doing the same thing. You
> sound like you got a bad one.
>     My particular joy was lowering a boulder slowly down for rock cribbing
> and not realizing my foot was in the bite. When I dropped it it wedged my
> ankle in between two boulders like a hobbling stone. I felt fine after the
> injury, but have had trouble walking up and down stairs on occasion since.
I
> guess we are Trail veterans of a sort...
>
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>
> Message: 17
> From: Bluetrail@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:28:08 EDT
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] Wanchor Report
>
> Jon just called from Damascus. =A0He was in absolutely great spirits.
=A0For=
>  some=20
> reason unfathomable to me, he had thought he would abstain from all sodas
an=
> d=20
> beer (he's an habitual two-beer-an-evening man, almost NEVER more than
two)=20
> on this hike.  He's decided that was a terrible idea.  The two beers
tonight=
> =20
> may have added to his happy frame of mind.
>
> He told me he forgot to tell me that at Kincora he met AT-L member
Anklebear=
> =20
> as she was starting off on her hike.  She was leaving the hostel in a
vehicl=
> e=20
> to start her hike, but he didn't get the hike particulars.
>
> He said there were about 30 hikers in town. =A0He's staying at The
Place.=20=
> =A0He=20
> called from the pay phone outside Quincy's.  It's really fun to report
on=20
> trail stops where I've been with Jon. =A0A couple of years ago Jon, Greg &
I=
> =20
> spent a couple of days in Damascus. =A0We stayed at The Maples Bed &
Breakfa=
> st=20
> (incredible breakfast--the biggest I've ever seen!), ate lunch at the
park=20
> where hundred of hikers camp during Trail Days, rented bikes and coasted
the=
> =20
> 18 miles down the rails-to-trails Virginia Creeper Trail, went to a play
in=20
> near-by Abingdon, had a pizza at Quincy's, visited The Place, bought gear
at=
> =20
> Mt. Rogers Outfitters, saw Wanchor's brick in the sidewalk, generally had
a=20
> GREAT time.
>
> Note to hikers:  If at all possible, try to take your hometeam out to
visit=20
> some of the great places along the trail.  Before your hike might be
great=20
> because it helps us envision where you are.  If not before, reward the=20
> hometeam with a vacation to some of the wonderful spots along and adjacent
t=
> o=20
> the AT.  (The Berkshires is another favorite of mine.)
>
> As Jon and I spoke on the phone two hikers, Pirate and Wee Willie Prince
of=20
> Whales came up.  Jon laughingly referred to them as The Rat Patrol. =A0One
o=
> f=20
> them (Pirate???) got on the phone and asked if I'd be his next ex-wife.
=A0I=
>  do=20
> believe the gentlemen may have had more  beer than Jon this evening.
=A0Told=
> =20
> Pirate I had too many ex-husbands--he'd have to take a number if he wanted
t=
> o=20
> be on my list of ex's. =A0
> Jon was happy to report that even with town stops he's average 18 miles a
da=
> y=20
> since he hit the trail.
>
> Since his last call, I heard from our friends George & Mary Sue Roach.
=A0Th=
> ey=20
> are going to pick Jon up about the 17th or 18th in Pearisburg, Virginia,
and=
> =20
> take him back to Damascus for Trail Days. =A0Jon was happy as a lark;
he=20
> already knew the good news because he had accessed his e-mail for a couple
o=
> f=20
> minutes in the library. =A0Jon's going to help man the Florida Trail booth
a=
> t=20
> Trail Days.  Look for a bald headed (gray around the edges) guy of 55,
wiry=20
> build, bright blue eyes, blue FT polo shirt.  If he leaves gear behind,
it's=
> =20
> definitely Jon.
>
> Said he met a very interesting Irish hiker on this stretch. =A0The
Irishman=20
> once drove down to the Ocala National Forest, where his car broke down.
=A0H=
> e=20
> ended up staying around the Ocala for four years. =A0Now he's hiking the
AT=20
> with cheap and heavy gear--like a $20 Army backpack.=20
>
> My weekend is looking up. =A0I'm leading an FT chapter TGIF hike Friday=20
> night--hike 1.5 hours, followed by dinner at a restaurant that
tolerates=20
> sweat. =A0We often end up with 12-25 folks on these easy outings. =A0Then
my=
> =20
> friend Diane will spend the night here. =A0In the morning we'll hike
again,=20
> then go visit model homes to get ideas for future redecorating and=20
> remodeling. =A0Jon said he was really glad he wasn't going to be here;
visit=
> ing=20
> model homes is his idea of torture.
>
> Note to others doing trail support:  In some ways my burden is
lightened=20
> because my 14-year-old spends Monday & Friday nights (and Saturday day)
with=
> =20
> his Dad.  These breaks leave me time for playing as well as solitude
and=20
> errands.  My heart goes out to those who are left with not only trail
suppor=
> t=20
> duties and all the homefront responsibilities their hiker usually
assumes,=20
> but also a 24/7 family to care for with no help.  I can guarantee you
there=20
> is no rest for these angels.
>
> Joan
> bluetrail@aol.com
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:11:46 -0400
> From: Kenneth Knight <krk@speakeasy.org>
> To: The Lurker <lurker@ev1.net>
> cc: AT-L <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Re:  Re Trangia
>
> With care.
>
> You drop the simmer ring (closed) on to the burner and hope you don't
miss. That'll snuff the flame
> out pretty quickly. You can use the gasketed top but you shouldn't. THe
flame will be extinguished
> but over time  you'll ruin the o-ring gasket which would mean you could
have leaks if you store fuel
> in the stove and screw the lid on and jostle the burner around in your
pack.
>
> I actually try not to put in more fuel than I'm going to need. While
putting the simmer ring on the
> Trangia isn't that hard if you are using the stand it comes with I find it
definietely tougher when
> using my homemade stand since you have to drop the ring from a bit higher
hight. Once last year
> Austin and I tried to put it out and knocked the stove over. There wasn't
much fuel left but what
> little there was spilled onto the shelter floor and started flowing and
burning towards me. It
> didn't reach me and quickly went out. There was no visible damage to the
floor of the shelter.
>
>   ** Ken **
> On 5/8/01 at 6:14 PM, The Lurker <lurker@ev1.net> wrote:
>
> > How do you put out a Trangia?
>
> **  Kenneth Knight    Web Design, IT Consultant, Software Engineer  **
> **       krk@speakeasy.org        http://www.speakeasy.org/~krk     **
>
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>
> Message: 19
> From: FLATers@webtv.net
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:24:55 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Bluetrail@aol.com
> Cc: at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Wanchor Report
>
> Your post was wonderful! Thanks for keeping us up dated!
>
> Landslides
>
>
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>
> Message: 20
> From: FLATers@webtv.net
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:39:19 -0400 (EDT)
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] good thought
>
> I read this the other day, and thought it is food for thought when the
> flame-wars arise in our campfire.
>
> <<<We could learn a lot from
> crayons: some are sharp,
> some are pretty, some are dull,
> some have weird names, and
> all are different colors.... but
> they all have to learn to live in
> the same box.>>>
>
> Landslides (who still like to color in coloring books.....sometimes)
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:07:16 -0500
> To: "L. Parker" <lparker@cacaphony.net>, "'richard mann'"
<hike-usa@msn.com>,
>    <AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> From: kahley7 <kahley7@ptd.net>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] checks...
>
> At 05:37 PM 5/9/01 -0500, L. Parker wrote:
>
>
> > > I sent you two checks today - one for the tarp - one for your
> > > 2000 bonus
> > > (smile now).  It is the same amount (and deductions) as a regular
> > > paycheck...
> > >
>
> Tough toenails boss.....I'm still goin' hiking with Sharon <VVVBSEG>
>
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> Message: 22
> From: "richard mann" <hike-usa@msn.com>
> To: <AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:06:52 -0400
> Subject: [at-l] quit-smoking hike update...
>
> The list has grown again!  There are now 6 folks signed up for the 8 day
> quit
> smoking hike (mobile RUCK!) beginning September 1, 2001, from Springer
> Mountain to Dicks
> Creek Gap...
>
> Me (former-smoker)
> David Addleton (smoker)
> Hummingbird (never  smoked)
> Dutch Treat (Hummingbird's hubby who quit smoking when they met - woohoo!)
> Clyde (quit smoking last tax day)
> and possibly Nimblewill Nomad
>
> Everyone is welcome on this informal backpack...
>
> pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:14:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: RE: [at-l] checks...
> To: kahley7@ptd.net, at-l@backcountry.net
> From: "Sharon Sharpe" <ssharpe@wellesley.edu>
>
> And I am still waiting for my checks!  Esp that 2000 bonus.....
>
> kahley7@ptd.net writes:
> >At 05:37 PM 5/9/01 -0500, L. Parker wrote:
> >> > I sent you two checks today - one for the tarp - one for your
> >> > 2000 bonus
> >> > (smile now).  It is the same amount (and deductions) as a regular
> >> > paycheck...
> >> >
> >
> >Tough toenails boss.....I'm still goin' hiking with Sharon <VVVBSEG>
> >
> Sharon Sharpe
> Head Athletic Trainer
> Wellesley College
> Wellesley MA
> ssharpe@wellesley.edu
>
>
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>
> Message: 24
> From: "Richard S. Lubitz" <lubitz@alpha.fdu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] communications
> To: spiriteagle99@hotmail.com (Jim and/or Ginny Owen)
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:23:50 -0400 (EDT)
> Cc: at-l@backcountry.net
>
> Jim:
> Thank you for a well written, (as usual), commentary on cell phones for a
> thru hiker.  As a weekender plus, however, I am subject to not only my own
> fears but those of others, eg. my wife.  Part of the conditions of being
> allowed to go play in the woods is that I have a means to let her know I
> am all right.  The same rule applies when I leave the house at 9 PM for a
> bike ride, (I do most of my riding at night due to time constraints and
> the fact that a fat guy in spandex is too frightening in broad daylight).
> I think that most of the objection to cell phones carried by others should
> only be valid when it affects the objectioner, (is that a word?).  If I am
> on my weekend, or hopefully longer, hike and sneak off to call home, then
> that is my satisfaction of what I perceive to be my needs.  But if my
> phone rings on the top of a great overlook and disturbs the meditation of
> others, then I am wrong because my decision to carry has affected others.
> just my 2 cents
> Rich
>
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>
> Message: 25
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:18:50 -0600
> From: hopefl@juno.com
> Subject: [at-l] VBS virus
>
> I had a note in my business email this morning warning of a virus that
> has been recently discovered. Here is the info I was sent:
>
> virus name      VBS.VBSWG.D@MM
> subject line       HOMEPAGE
> name of email attachment    HOMEPAGE.HTML.VBS
>
> Deleting the email it comes embedded in defeats the virus. If it is
> opened, it is sent to your mail list and it connect your computer to a
> porn web site.
>
> Hopeful
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> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:31:53 -0400
> From: Kenneth Knight <krk@speakeasy.org>
> To: hopefl@juno.com
> cc: at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] Re:  fond things remembered
>
> Lovely report.
>
> I got lost in the same place you did. Exxcept I never did find the trail
and did go down that road.
> Actually, I got nailed by a thunderstorm as I was coming back up trying to
find the trail and I
> zipped into my tent giving up for the night. The next morning, Saturday, I
tried to find the trail,
> failed, and just went  down that road into Narrows, Va. where I managed
eventually to hitch a lift
> into Pearisburg arriving about half an hour before the PO closed.
>
>   ** Ken **
>
> On 5/6/01 at 10:53 PM, hopefl@juno.com wrote:
>
> > The weather was cold and icy during my hike. Nights dropped into the
> > teens and lower. The days saw both sunny skies and freezing
> > precipitation.  I woke up at Doc's Knob shelter to snow on the ground
and
> > more coming down, the fog was heavy. I hiked north after a big
breakfast.
> > When I reach a power line right of way, I lost the blazes. I assumed the
> > AT would just cross the ROW and keep going north. Wrong. At some point I
> > had missed a double blaze where the Trail took to the ridge line. I'm
> > sure I was enjoying the snow and looking at all the critter tracks
> > crossing the trail and just failed to notice the Trail leaving the fire
> > road it had been following.
>
> **  Kenneth Knight    Web Design, IT Consultant, Software Engineer  **
> **       krk@speakeasy.org        http://www.speakeasy.org/~krk     **
>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:41:18 EDT
> From: DaRedhead@aol.com
> To: <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Deal on a jacket
>
> If you've never ordered from Overstock.com before, and you need a rain
shell jacket, this is a pretty darn good deal.  The Marmot Slickrock Jacket
is on sale for $64.88.  Shipping is $3.95.  This link gives you $15 off your
first purchase of $60 or more.  So - click on this link, go to apparel,
mens, outerwear/coats, and find the Slickrock Jacket.  What you get is a
jacket that retails for over $150 for $53.83, including shipping.  Not a bad
deal.
>
> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?cid=7974&sourceid=22666531
>
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>
> Message: 28
> From: "Paul Miller(Wisperlight)" <jeanpaul@iname.com>
> To: <PO2CO2@aol.com>, "AT-L" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:49:20 -0400
> Subject: [at-l] (boot questions)
>
> > Can I impose one more question?  Whats your favorite footwear and why?
> >
> > no name SOBO
>
> i like good old fasion boots for random foot dropping ease... with lighter
> weight things ou need to be more "careful" of placing your feet  which for
> me is nice to speak about sitting at home but when tired and trudging
along
> i like the secruity of a sturdy boot.. i am using a light to mid weight
boot
> by salamon right now. i woudl try to stick with a vibram sole if i were
you
> as they stick nicely to rock and roots (well ok nothgin sticks nicly to
> roots and rocks but they stick better i think) and they seem to last a
long
> time.
>
> i personally beilve it is the sock group you wear that makes the shoe.
> asside forma REALLY poorly sized shoe and/or very mishsaped for your
foot..
> the boot should feel "comofrtabe  when you place it on.  unless you go the
> route of a OLD world boot made of ALL leather the plastic/cloth/new age
> leather kind will nto BREAK in liek old boots no matter what those
guys/gals
> at the store tell you.  what you see if wha tyou get for the most part...
> the glued soles and other cheaper building technique allow for less
breakgin
> in...
>
> IF you can find a slip lasted shoe/boot with structureal leather (maybe
even
> all leather) and it is tight aroudn said area of foot or tight aroudn toes
> you can expect to have it strectch to meet your foots fits a lot better.
>
> but if you have a shoe liek 99% of the shoes out there...   glued together
> plastic structural support leather outside for show or for abrasivnet
(liek
> a plastic heel cup) what you see if what you get.  i was able to wear my
> salmons out of store for 200-300 miles with out a blister.  do i suggest
you
> go buy salmon as the ultimate boot ... hell no!!!! unless the boot fits
your
> foot as much lieka glove as it fit mine.  jsut try on EVERY boot you can
> find and try them on next to each other... and pick the boot that feel
best
> off the shelf with all the features you want/need.  then break it in  it
> will break in a bit and your foot will break in to it more then anythign
> else.
>
> how do you knwo it is slip lasted... simple pull up the insole...  is
there
> stitching
> a)my insole is glued down... i can not see under, put that hting down that
> aint a shoe. how do you replace the insole
> b) i picked it up but no stitching, then that is a glued shoe.
> c) yes, but it is aroudn teh edged.  tha tis a stiched shoe but not slip
> lasted..
> d) yes, but the stiching runs down the center of my shoe haveing a small
gap
> aroudn eh toe area... there is only one seem in teh shoe bingo that is
slip
> lasted.
>
> on the topic of insoles.. if you want to replace the insole in your
> shoe/boot to somethign after market (as the companies suggest you do as
they
> putin really cheap ones expecting 90 or more percent of the peopel to
> replace them or not know the diffrence. replace it before you buy the shoe
> and do the fitting proccess with your insoles not with the insoles that
come
> iwth the shoe..
>
> some major comapnies you see alot of vasque,salamon, asolo, rachiele..
those
> are the companies i normally try out first then i go to off brands and
other
> brands
>
> i personally dont like goretex....i try to find a boot with out it.. i
find
> it makes my foot sweat that much more damn foot leads to damp skin which
> leads to hot spots and wear and tear which leads to blisters. that said a
> shorty gaiter and goretex boot will keep your feet drier(NOTE: not dry
jsut
> drier) in the most horrid of downpours.  it is a trade off i think. wally
> world has nice cheap ass boots too..  40 dollar oil resistant soles
>
>   and expect the northern soil to eat though leather.... ll bean (a good
> maine company not jsut for catalogs and yuppies as i foudn out) sells
boots
> made of kevlar to handle this problem and alot of MAINEiac i saw ut there
> had these boots and wore them with pride all ugly and bright blue. they
> looked like nice boots. the soidll up there is acrid and moist and does
bad
> things to leather if lef tto sit on it.  GO BOGS you eat those boots! very
> interesting i have a pair of boots built mostly from barge cement now...
and
> BOY Are tehy comfortable
>
> how to built a barge cement shoe costum tailored to you foot... buy a good
> pair of boots and walk through bogs until you have the sole come off teh
> shoe... NOW next time you enter a town that selss no boots but has barge
> cement.  rebuild that portion of shoe with cement and wear boot.. the
cement
> will form fit your your foot and the shoe will begin to fit better...
> repeat until boot is gone and a thick layer of barge cement covers your
foot
> in a protective layer...  apply new layer periodly to help with wear and
> tear.  periodically call vasque and ask if ht boot is supposed to rot liek
> that and listen to the asnwer in disbelif "yes in maine bogs yes that
stuff
> is nasty on boots have you been keepign the boots dry and clean?" to which
> you can NOT honestly answer yes too.
>
> moral of the story keep your boots waxed, dry, and clean if you can ...
take
> care of your boots and they will take care of you. and i assume this goes
> for runnign shoes too.
>
> if anyone wants to pick my opiions more please ask somethign more
specific.
>
> Wisperlight
>
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:05:54 EDT
> From: DaRedhead@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [at-l] VBS virus
> To: <at-l@backcountry.net>
>
> We got a similar warning from our techs yesterday. It said "A new virus
outbreak is being reported.  The virus has been tagged "V.Homepage.vbs".  It
will arrive via email with a subject such as "homepage" and some text such
as "Hi, you've got to see this page - it's really cool :-) ".  It will
contain an attachment that looks to be a web page, but is really a Visual
Basic Script.  If you should receive a mail like this, notify MIS
immediately.  Do not open it.  The virus spreads by infecting email and
using it to send more copies of itself. "
>
>
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>
> Message: 30
> From: Slyatpct@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:41:55 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] (boot questions)
> To: jeanpaul@iname.com, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> In a message dated 5/10/2001 9:51:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jeanpaul@iname.com writes:
>
>
> > . the soidll up there is acrid and moist and does bad
> > things to leather if lef tto sit on it.  GO BOGS you eat those boots!
very
> > interesting i have a pair of boots built mostly from barge cement now...
and
> > BOY Are tehy comfortable
> >
> > how to built a barge cement shoe costum tailored to you foot... buy a
good
> > pair of boots and walk through bogs until you have the sole come off teh
> > shoe... NOW next time you enter a town that selss no boots but has barge
> > cement.  rebuild that portion of shoe with cement and wear boot.. the
cement
> > will form fit your your foot and the shoe will begin to fit better...
> >
>
> LOL,  what a riot...............
>
> Sly
>
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