[pct-l] Re: Bearvault

[msaenz at mve-architects.com (Mike Saenz)]

"BearVault 110b and 200
Visit www.bearvault.com for product details and contact information or
call Tel / Fax 866-301-3442 
September 12, 2005 -- The SIBBG has not rescinded approval of the
BearVault, BUT it is not allowed in the Rae Lakes area of Kings Canyon
National Park - until further notice. One or more bears have figured out
how to open the BearVault - and have opened at least eight canisters. It
may be only the earlier version that is the problem - the SIBBG and the
manufacturer are looking into the problem. In the meantime, we are
asking hikers to either use a different type of canister or use a
locker. " 


whoa, Whoa, WHOA! Does this mean SIBBG will allow storage in the boxes
IN LIEU of carrying a can????

Shweeeet!

TIC...


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-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of bearvault
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 7:24 AM
To: 'john coyle'; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Re: Bearvault

John the SIBBG has updated their web site with information on this area;
visit 

http://www.sierrawildbear.net/foodstorage/approvedcontainers.htm


Currently it looks like this bear(s) has opened only the BV200/110B
models; although there have been a few failures of the newer BV250/300
models which are (mostly) attributed to not fully closing the lid; we
rely on the people telling us whether or not they closed the lid
correctly. These failure are so far limited to this one area.

We will look into how we can make the BV250/300 models even stronger
during the off season; as well as tackle the issue of lids not being
closed correctly due to slightly oversized lids.

Jamie



-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of john coyle
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:29 PM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Re: Bearvault

On Sept 14th Mike Saenz wrote:

I assume Fisher is well fed under supervision of a
veterinarian/nutritionist and may not be as motivated as the Vidette
bear. Some (both on this List and on the trail) have speculated that,
since the bear can see thru the BearVault, he's more tenacious in his
efforts to open them. One guy on the trail last week suggested that we
spray paint our BearVaults so the bears can't see the goodies inside.
Not sure if this is a valid idea or not...

I hope your comment, John, regarding capturing the Vidette bear and
keeping him in a zoo is tongue in cheek.
It would be a shame to punish the critter for being clever. I know I'd
rather live in Vidette Meadow than in a zoo...



Mike- You're right, my comment was mostly meant to be tongue in cheek
and basically making fun of Fisher's container busting abilities.  If
the Vidette bear continues with this behavior, and I see no reason why
it wouldn't, probably the best solution would be to re-locate it to a
remote wilderness area where it no longer comes in contact with people
and their containers.  Of course, there is always the possiblity that it
would migrate back to its original area.  I hope this bear is not a
female because then it would teach the behavior to its cubs which would
start a whole chain reaction of container popping. 

The Bearvault people are not going to like hearing this, and I know they
moniter this list, but last weekend at the Sacramento REI on Exposition
blvd. I overheard one saleperson discouraging folks from buying
Bearvaults due to this situation.  There are actually three REIs within
twenty miles of me; I live in a REI Bermuda triangle, except instead of
airplanes and ships, my money disappears with alarming frequency to buy
hiking gear!  

I have a Bearvault, I like the product, the Bearvault people seem
ethical, surely they can re-design the container to prevent it from
deforming when it's laid on its side under pressure.  They must be
working on it now.

John Coyle
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