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[pct-l] Attitudes and Tone on the PCT-L
My .02:
It's good to have the heads-up about surliness and grouchiness. Probably
those of us who are grouchy do need to take a hike.
However - and this is a big however - to judge the PCT-l community by
isolated ill-thought-out comments is, imho, really mistaken. I think that
the recent outpouring of support for John Seabreeze Donovan - including
those who gathered to assist in the search efforts - more correctly reflects
the PCT-l.
Enough said. I'm going back to work now.
Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
PCT partially '94
-----Original Message-----
From: dsaufley@sprynet.com [mailto:dsaufley@sprynet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:27 AM
To: Sevenon7th@yahoo.com; Gustafson; scourtway@bps-arch.com;
cmkudija@earthlink.net
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Attitudes and Tone on the PCT-L (was Preacher Jim is
not a troll!)
I've heard from many hikers this year about the surly, unwelcoming attitude
found on the pct-l. Collectively, the contributors to the post have
successfully established themselves as a bunch of grouches.
Newcomers are being driven off by the argumentive, accusatory, condescending
responses to legitimate questions, and do not want to ask their questions
for fear of being ridiculed.
Thank goodness that the hikers themselves, while they're out on the trail,
don't come off the way the list posters do. We'd quit hosting in no time
flat if they did.
L-Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: "Sevenon7th@yahoo.com" <sevenon7th@yahoo.com>
Sent: Jun 7, 2005 11:10 AM
To: Gustafson <jgus@sunbow.org>, scourtway@bps-arch.com,
cmkudija@earthlink.net
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preacher Jim is not a troll!
Thank you for saying this.... all I can say.... is I'm afraid to post
legitimate questions on this list.
Gustafson <jgus@sunbow.org> wrote:Heh heh yourself, smarty-pants. Preacher
Jim and Jackalope are NOT
trolls. They are 2005 thruhikers and they are my friends. Preacher
Jim turned 21 in Idyllwild the day I picked them up to take them back
down to the kickoff, along with Dr. Bob and 49er. Preacher Jim is the
most positive, happy, shining beacon of goodness I have ever met.
Unfortunately, he can't spell for s***, plus he is using a Pocketmail
device which makes it hard for anyone to produce perfect text. I'm
sorry he can't spell Oregon correctly, but that doesn't make him a
troll.
My friends started the trail at Campo before the kickoff, and reached
Kennedy Meadows on May 26. Needing to flip forward *somewhere* they
chose Ashland in the apparently *incorrect but understandable* belief,
based on information posted on this list and elsewhere, that Oregon had
received little rain or snow this winter, and would be abnormally dry.
It's too bad that "winter" is turning out to be normal there after all,
even though it's two months late, according to the local people who
have helped them in the past few days!
So Preacher Jim, in all innocence and goodness, has turned to the list
for advice, and also to provide information for anyone else who might
be thinking of flipping up to Ashland. It's way too early, snow is
everywhere, they made a mistake, and they are trying to make the best
of a difficult situation, stuck somewhere out in the middle of nowhere,
trying to figure out what to do, and they are trying to warn others.
It seems to me they are in somewhat the same situation other hikers
found themselves in trying to deal with the San Jacintos, the San
Bernardinos, and the San Gabriels, and the list was so concerned, and
so helpful, and so willing to help those folks out. But these guys,
for some reason, are getting a ration from some folks on the list. All
you want to do is CORRECT HIS SPELLING and call him a TROLL? I expect
a certain amount of heh heh snottiness from s.c., but Ms. Kudija you
are a PCTA board member! Can't you cut a hiker a little slack? See
beyond the unintended *slight* to your adopted state and instead make a
responsible contribution to the help they have asked for, and thank
them for the warning to others? I think you can, and should.
I'm sorry I am writing this in anger, but I am very concerned about my
friends, I know they are safe where they are (wherever that is) but I
don't know how they are going to get the situation they are in turned
around, so they can continue their PCT hike. These are two wonderful
guys! I know you would enjoy meeting them and wouldn't dream of
treating them this way to their faces. If you have any real assistance
or encouragement to provide, please do so. Otherwise, leave them
alone, they don't deserve to have their wrists slapped by other hikers.
Also, Preacher Jim's email address is , which he
stated in his email asking for help. Maybe you are so busy dumping on
him for his spelling mistakes, you didn't even notice. The Striker-X
email address is just the address of the *kind people who are
sheltering them at the moment,* letting him use their computer, and you
are now filling that *trail angel's* email inbox with stink mail.
I suggest you take a hike. Seriously.
Two Legs
>> subject: lots of snow in origan.
>> jackalope and i, preacher jim, started again in origan at ashland
>> ..... do nknow how the rest of origan is, but where we are, trail is
>> imposible
>> to find. this snow is bad and can be expected anywhere over 6000 feet
>> even at 5000 in some places. just a heads up.
>>
>> ~Preacher Jim and Jackalope
> From: "Steve Courtway"
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] subject: lots of snow in origan.
> don't feed the trolls ontrail or not !!!
> heh heh
> s.c.
>
>> Please. It's OREGON, not origan.
>> ...
>> Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:44 PM
>> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.netSubject: [pct-l] subject: lots of
>> snow in origan.
>>
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