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Hello,

I'm planning on hiking the Washington portion of the PCT starting on June 7, 
and I was hoping someone might be able to help with a few questions:

1)  Would you advise a north or southbound hike?  I'd like the opportunity 
to meet other hikers, but I'm not crazy about the idea of post holing 
through a ton of snow.

2)  Do you know how I could get to the trail?  I'm flying in to Seattle on 
June 7 in the afternoon.
Any information on bus service?

Thanks for any help!

Adam


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>Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: Mt. Hood PCT update (Marshall Karon)
>    2. Re: Mt. Hood PCT update (Sharon & Chuck Chelin)
>    3. goat rocks july 24-31 (rachel.berkowitz@yale.edu)
>    4. Another Super Secret of Backpacking (Hiker97@aol.com)
>    5. SOBO Problem (Sharon & Chuck Chelin)
>    6. Re: SOBO Problem (Marshall Karon)
>    7. Re: goat rocks july 24-31 (Marshall Karon)
>    8. Sleeping Bag Compression (Hiker97@aol.com)
>    9. Re: Sleeping Bag Compression (John Mertes)
>   10. Sleeping Bag Compression (Hiker97@aol.com)
>   11. Lost Hiker (Bill & Cathy)
>   12. Smart Water - A Super Secret Update (Hiker97@aol.com)
>   13. RE: Smart Water - A Super Secret Update (Monty Tam)
>   14. Re: goat rocks july 24-31 (larry hillberg)
>   15. RE: Smart Water - A Super Secret Update (frank martin)
>
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:22:04 -0700
>From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt. Hood PCT update
>To: <metam01@earthlink.net>, "pct-l" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000301c56472$ef51ec20$6401a8c0@gatewaycompute>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
>I'm looking at the 1997 Data Book. Actually, this shows the foot PCT as
>going through Paradise Park and the straight ahead trail as the PCT horse
>trail. Junctions are at mile 2101.7 (Meet PCT Horse Trail) coming from the
>north and 2105.3 (PCT splits into two routes) coming from the south, about
>3.3 miles from Timberline Lodge. Going north, it is a sharp, right hand
>turn. Going south, it is a left hand turn. Well marked from both ends of 
>the
>loop. For south bounders, it  is after you get up, out of the Sandy River
>drainage. You still have about another 300 ft elevation gain to Paradise
>Park from the junction. There are camping places up there with great views
>and not all of them around the heavily used shelter area (no shelter now).
>You are above tree line (or just at it). Several small streams. If the
>flowers are out, it is like paradise.
>
>Marshall Karon
>Portland, OR
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
>To: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>; "pct-l"
><pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:44 AM
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mt. Hood PCT update
>
>
> > Marshall
> >
> > The Paradise Park section you recommend.  Do you know the Data Book mile
> > mark where a SOBO might catch it from the north?
> >
> > Warner Springs Monty
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Marshall Karon <m.karon@comcast.net>
> >> To: PCT-L <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> >> Date: 5/29/2005 9:28:52 AM
> >> Subject: [pct-l] Mt. Hood PCT update
> >>
> >> I  took a short hike from Mt. Hood Timberline Lodge on the PCT north on
> > Paradise Park loop yesterday. Lowest snow I have seen in years - looks
> > like
> > the middle to end of June. Some consolidated, soft snow patches (my
> > runners
> > were soaked), but little problem finding the trail. Paradise Park 
>section
> > was quite open and snow free (highly recommened rather than the PCT 
>itself
> > - adds about 1 mile or 2 and some elevation, but you get fabulous 
>views);
> > PCT below it still had some snow. Many large trees down on the trail 
>right
> > now (impassible for horses). Don't know what the Sandy River was like, 
>but
> > Zig Zag was a quick, dry bolder hop across. Trail register now up 
>(wasn't
> > in the morning; but, was when I got back). Think some folks were out for 
>a
> > hike around the mountain; they probably will have snow on the north 
>side.
> >>
> >> Based on this, I expect that there will be very little snow between
> > Cascade Locks and Ollalie Lake right now.
> >>
> >>
> >> Marshall Karon
> >> Portland, OR
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>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:50:37 -0700
>From: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt. Hood PCT update
>To: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>,	"PCT-L"
>	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <001601c56476$ed533920$832079a5@chelin>
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>
>Good morning, all,
>
>Last weekend I was on the PCT at the normal Sandy River crossing just above
>where Rushing Water Creek empties.  At 3 PM it was a bush-league, two step
>rock-hop.  It looked like late summer.  Just above the crossing, the Sandy
>was distributary, meaning it split into two branches in the rock and sand
>bar, and formed a little island at the trail crossing.  Even as klutzy as I
>am, I don't think I even got the soles of my sneakers wet.
>
>There were puffy clouds flying by all day, and an amusing thing occurred at
>Ramona Falls.  A group of hikers was there, and one young lady wanted to 
>get
>a sunlit photo of the falls from the foot bridge.  She stood there about 15
>minutes but the sun was behind a cloud it was dismal, so she came back up 
>to
>have a snack with the others.  As soon as she got food in her hands, the 
>sun
>came out and lit up the falls in its usual magical way.  She put down the
>food and trotted back to the bridge just in time for the sunlight to
>disappear.  Once again, back to the food.  This exact thing happened three
>more times while I watched.  I finally had to leave before I laughed out
>loud.  I don't know if she ever did get a shot.
>
>Steel-Eye
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
>To: "PCT-L" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:28 AM
>Subject: [pct-l] Mt. Hood PCT update
>
>
>Don't know what the Sandy River was like, but Zig Zag was a quick, dry
>bolder hop across.
>
>Marshall Karon
>Portland, OR
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:23:34 -0400
>From: rachel.berkowitz@yale.edu
>Subject: [pct-l] goat rocks july 24-31
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <1117391014.429a08a6216b4@www.mail.yale.edu>
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>
>hi,
>just wondering if anyone's going to be in the goat rocks wildreness
>part of the pct during the last week in july?  any advice on trip
>planning?  conditions that time of year?  finding campsites?
>thanks much.
>rachel
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:52:43 EDT
>From: Hiker97@aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Another Super Secret of Backpacking
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Cc: carolwbruno@yahoo.com, J.Hannah@marelich.com
>Message-ID: <b9.58de1133.2fcb778b@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
>Hiker Storage Box: Go to Walmartâ??s storage box aisle and get a long 
>low-sided
>storage container.  Mark this Hiker Box #1.  The largest of these boxes 
>have
>wheels on them for using under a bed.  You probably do not need one that 
>big.
>Besides they would be too heavy when used for your backpacking gear.  The
>idea for this system is to always have your most used items in one place.  
>Not
>your extra packs, tents, nylon bags, etc., but only the stuff you really 
>use on
>a consistent basis for various hikes.  This makes it so much easier to 
>prepare
>for a hike.  Your gear in one container for easy checking and also so you 
>do
>not forget something.  You always take this container to the trailhead for
>last minute checks of gear.  The container is then just locked in the trunk 
>of
>your vehicle.   Examples of other things I keep in my container are:
>1.  Duct tape
>2.  Lithium batteries
>3.  Seam sealer
>4.  Extra reflective cord and tent stakes
>5.  Extra Velcro straps and tape
>6.  Sundries and medical supplies
>7.  Winter gear (not clothes)
>8.  Water repellent spray
>
>There is more, but you get the idea.  This system is like a permanent
>drift/bounce box in your garage.  It is a very easy and convenient way to 
>organize
>your hikes.  Plus, you have the confidence that you have not forgotten
>something.  This is great way to store other things in your garage too.  
>The long low
>containers are great for general storage.  The advantage of the long 
>low-side
>boxes are that when you open them up everything is easily visible.  You do 
>not
>have hunt around down in the box.
>
>Switchback
>PCT Section Hiker 1970
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:28:54 -0700
>From: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] SOBO Problem
>To: "PCT-L" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <002801c56495$6b67da00$b52279a5@chelin>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Good afternoon, all you SOBOs,
>
>I understand why this is the year for SOBO, but you folks are going to miss
>a tradition.  You should be through Washington and N. Oregon well before 
>the
>huckleberry season.  That's a little bit like bypassing Eagle Creek and
>Crater Lake.  Anyway, the bears and I appreciate not having to compete with
>a throng of hungry thru-hikers there to highgrade all the best trail-side
>bushes.
>
>Yum,  I'll be thinking of you.
>
>Steel-Eye
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:24:05 -0700
>From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] SOBO Problem
>To: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>,	"PCT-L"
>	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000701c5649d$2054ab30$6401a8c0@gatewaycompute>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Gee, I thought you were going to say they would miss another tradition:
>rain, clouds, and sleet. And, they will also miss the unbelievable fall
>colors. Can't have everything.
>
>Marshall Karon
>Portland, OR
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>
>To: "PCT-L" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 2:28 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] SOBO Problem
>
>
> > Good afternoon, all you SOBOs,
> >
> > I understand why this is the year for SOBO, but you folks are going to
> > miss
> > a tradition.  You should be through Washington and N. Oregon well before
> > the
> > huckleberry season.  That's a little bit like bypassing Eagle Creek and
> > Crater Lake.  Anyway, the bears and I appreciate not having to compete
> > with
> > a throng of hungry thru-hikers there to highgrade all the best 
>trail-side
> > bushes.
> >
> > Yum,  I'll be thinking of you.
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> >
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:36:53 -0700
>From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] goat rocks july 24-31
>To: <rachel.berkowitz@yale.edu>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000b01c5649e$ea143390$6401a8c0@gatewaycompute>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>It will probably be just fabulous. Hiking the knife edge really makes you
>realize on are on the crest. I expect there will be snow on Packwood 
>Glacier
>below Old Snowy. If it is icy, it can be scary. Try to hit it when it is
>warm. Poles help. Probably there will be rocks slides around it so you can
>bypass the worst, icy section if necessary. Or, go up over Old Snowy.
>Finding camp sites shouldn't be any problem. Adequate water also. The area
>is popular, especially on week-ends.
>
>Word of caution: there are lots of mice in the some areas. They could chew
>holes in your tent, pack, etc. Mainly the night before/after White Pass.
>
>Marshall Karon
>Portland, OR
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <rachel.berkowitz@yale.edu>
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:23 AM
>Subject: [pct-l] goat rocks july 24-31
>
>
> > hi,
> > just wondering if anyone's going to be in the goat rocks wildreness
> > part of the pct during the last week in july?  any advice on trip
> > planning?  conditions that time of year?  finding campsites?
> > thanks much.
> > rachel
> >
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:27:11 EDT
>From: Hiker97@aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping Bag Compression
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Cc: carolwbruno@yahoo.com, J.Hannah@marelich.com
>Message-ID: <90.5ec86904.2fcbb7df@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Just my 2 cents worth about down sleeping bag compression.  I use a GoLite
>Breeze pack and it has a large expansion collar.  That is were I carry my 
>down
>bag to let it expand as much as possible as I walk.  I have used this 
>method
>for years.  You can really degrade your down bag by over compressing it.  
>That
>is why those bags for sleeping bags that have the compression straps are so 
>bad
>for down bags.
>
>I often wondered how many people are suckered into using them by the ads
>showing how very small you can pack your bag.  "Smaller than a loaf of 
>bread."
>Just the opposite of what you want to do.  Hail to American marketing to 
>give
>you bad advise to make a buck.  I wonder if they are bad too for synthetic 
>bags.
>  I wouldn't doubt it.
>
>Happy trails, Switchback
>I sure hope no one has gotten hurt this year hiking the PCT.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:56:43 -0700
>From: John Mertes <Tortoise73@charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bag Compression
>To: Hiker97@aol.com
>Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net, carolwbruno@yahoo.com,
>	J.Hannah@marelich.com
>Message-ID: <429A64CB.4020900@charter.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>As I recall, compression of synthetic bags is even worse than down. The
>synthetics are not as resiliant as good down.
>
>
>
>Hiker97@aol.com wrote:
>
> >Just my 2 cents worth about down sleeping bag compression.  I use a 
>GoLite
> >Breeze pack and it has a large expansion collar.  That is were I carry my 
>down
> >bag to let it expand as much as possible as I walk.  I have used this 
>method
> >for years.  You can really degrade your down bag by over compressing it.  
>That
> >is why those bags for sleeping bags that have the compression straps are 
>so bad
> >for down bags.
> >
> >I often wondered how many people are suckered into using them by the ads
> >showing how very small you can pack your bag.  "Smaller than a loaf of 
>bread."
> >Just the opposite of what you want to do.  Hail to American marketing to 
>give
> >you bad advise to make a buck.  I wonder if they are bad too for 
>synthetic bags.
> > I wouldn't doubt it.
> >
> >Happy trails, Switchback
> >I sure hope no one has gotten hurt this year hiking the PCT.
> >
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:42:28 EDT
>From: Hiker97@aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping Bag Compression
>To: Tortoise73@charter.net
>Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net, carolwbruno@yahoo.com,
>	J.Hannah@marelich.com
>Message-ID: <19e.34670853.2fcbc984@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Tortoise73 wrote: As I recall, compression of synthetic bags is even worse
>than down. The
>synthetics are not as resilient as good down.
>
>That is very interesting.  I also read somewhere that overtime you compress 
>a
>sleeping bag in the normal way in your pack, you lose 2-3% of its loft
>permanently.  You slowly crush the life out it.  I do not know if that is 
>true, but
>some of the bags I see on the trail make me think it is close to true.  If 
>I
>were hiking in a potentially wet environment, I would certainly consider a
>synthetic bag.  I really like down.  I might be wrong here, but I prefer 
>800 down
>bags to 900 down bags.  Your bag has to be tied to your metabolism and the
>environment.  For years I have been trying to eliminate my sleeping bag and
>substitute a clothing option.  I have looked at lots of hybrid bags.  My 
>bottom
>line is that for 1.5 pounds just stick with a good 800 down bag.  You are 
>in it
>for 8-10 hours per day.  It is not something you want to skimp on and play
>around with.
>
>Thanks again, Switchback
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:52:46 -0700
>From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Lost Hiker
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Cc: so_california_backpackers@yahoogroups.com
>Message-ID: <004f01c564cb$0b4c0fc0$af556e47@w9c4l5>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"
>
>BlankHi All Just got in from Saddle Junction.  Sorry to say, no luck, its 
>like looking for a needle in a hay stack. My grandson and I covered a lot 
>of territory found gear that we turned over to the SAR team but was not Mr. 
>Donavan's. We did the PCT from Saddle Junction up to Tahquitz peak but once 
>you get to where it turns to go toward little tahquitz valley you can't go 
>to the peak without ice axe and crampons. If you do you are really asking 
>for trouble. We followed around to little tahquitz valley, looked on both 
>sides of the trail and lost the trail a number of times but eventually 
>found it again. At this time if you stayed on the PCT the snow wasn't bad 
>there. We had heard that a SAR team went in the direction of Fuller Ridge 
>but don't know how far they had gone. When we finally had left at around 
>2pm this afternoon there was still no luck in finding Him. Hope He turns up 
>safe.
>Jason and Megham came up around 5:30pm Saturday night and did some looking 
>Sunday but no luck.       Peace to all.
>       Ground Pounder Bill    and    Eagle Scout Bryan
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:32:13 EDT
>From: Hiker97@aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Smart Water - A Super Secret Update
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Cc: carolwbruno@yahoo.com, J.Hannah@marelich.com
>Message-ID: <110.4acaf2a2.2fcc7ded@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>As you know I have been recommending Glaceau Smartwater for years as a 
>great
>rehydration drink (bought at Wild Oats, Whole Foods, and Traders Joe).
>Recently, I understand Coke has bought them out.  In keeping with corporate
>America's policy of doing anything to make you buy, even if it is bad for 
>you, they
>have changed the formula.  They have added sugar to their flavored water 
>drinks.
>  Not much, but still an insult to you and me.
>
>I do not recommend their various flavored waters anymore, but still do
>recommend their unflavored water.  It does not contain sugar, at least 
>right now.
>Check the labels carefully to keep updated.
>
>Your always concerned about your health hiking buddy, Switchback
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 07:38:13 -0700
>From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Smart Water - A Super Secret Update
>To: "Hiker97@aol.com" <Hiker97@aol.com>,	pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Cc: carolwbruno@yahoo.com, J.Hannah@marelich.com
>Message-ID: <410-220055130143813265@earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>I wish they'd put the sugar back in Coke.  :)
>
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <Hiker97@aol.com>
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Cc: <carolwbruno@yahoo.com>; <J.Hannah@marelich.com>
> > Date: 5/30/2005 7:32:13 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Smart Water - A Super Secret Update
> >
> > As you know I have been recommending Glaceau Smartwater for years as a
>great
> > rehydration drink (bought at Wild Oats, Whole Foods, and Traders Joe).
> > Recently, I understand Coke has bought them out.  In keeping with
>corporate
> > America's policy of doing anything to make you buy, even if it is bad 
>for
>you, they
> > have changed the formula.  They have added sugar to their flavored water
>drinks.
> >  Not much, but still an insult to you and me.
> >
> > I do not recommend their various flavored waters anymore, but still do
> > recommend their unflavored water.  It does not contain sugar, at least
>right now.
> > Check the labels carefully to keep updated.
> >
> > Your always concerned about your health hiking buddy, Switchback
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 07:44:14 -0700 (PDT)
>From: larry hillberg <walkinglarry@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] goat rocks july 24-31
>To: Marshall Karon <m.karon@comcast.net>, rachel.berkowitz@yale.edu,
>	pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20050530144414.22618.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com>
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>In light snow I missed the turn approaching Packwood,
>hiking up to Old Snowy and totally bypassing the small
>glacier.  Finding an old trail sign up on top, I then
>followed the knife edge crest down until it rejoined
>the PCT.  For the entire time along that crest, with
>thunderstorm approaching, I tried to imagine just why
>anyone in their right mind would put the trail there.
>Scared?  You bet.  Worried by the imminent lightning,
>Rainier's majesty in the distance, steep drops along
>both sides, thankful for my one hiking pole, amazed by
>the grandeur of the place, every sense on overtime, I
>slowly picked my way down the scree.
>
>I can still feel it, the most electric, spectacular,
>and defining two hours of my summer.  My thru hike I
>will always remember.  Old Snowy I will never forget.
>
>--- Marshall Karon <m.karon@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > It will probably be just fabulous. Hiking the knife
> > edge really makes you
> > realize on are on the crest. I expect there will be
> > snow on Packwood Glacier
> > below Old Snowy. If it is icy, it can be scary. Try
> > to hit it when it is
> > warm. Poles help. Probably there will be rocks
> > slides around it so you can
> > bypass the worst, icy section if necessary. Or, go
> > up over Old Snowy.
> > Finding camp sites shouldn't be any problem.
> > Adequate water also. The area
> > is popular, especially on week-ends.
> >
> > Word of caution: there are lots of mice in the some
> > areas. They could chew
> > holes in your tent, pack, etc. Mainly the night
> > before/after White Pass.
> >
> > Marshall Karon
> > Portland, OR
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <rachel.berkowitz@yale.edu>
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:23 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] goat rocks july 24-31
> >
> >
> > > hi,
> > > just wondering if anyone's going to be in the goat
> > rocks wildreness
> > > part of the pct during the last week in july?  any
> > advice on trip
> > > planning?  conditions that time of year?  finding
> > campsites?
> > > thanks much.
> > > rachel
> > >
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>Message: 15
>Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:32:00 -0700 (PDT)
>From: frank martin <sriprank@yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Smart Water - A Super Secret Update
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>If you want Coke with sugar go to Mexico.  They still make it there.
>
>I know some restaurants in the Mission District in San Francisco
>'import'
>Mexican Coke and sell it at a premium.
>
>frank
>
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