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If you want to leave your car at I-15, I can take you up to Little Bear.  I still need Little Bear to I-18 and figure I'll just bring my bike along to ride back, or I can get out at 18 while you drive my car to Little Bear.
Capt Bivy

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Today's Topics:

   1. Trail conditions near Onyx Summit (danandgailsc@aol.com)
   2. Re: Thanks for the ride and here is my report (Bill & Cathy)
   3. skipping around the snow in socal (The Weathercarrot)
   4. Re: skipping around the snow in socal (dsaufley@sprynet.com)
   5. Attn: Hikers between Idyllwild and Big Bear (Eckert)
   6. Compass use help needed for the N. Cascades (Geoffrey Selling)
   7. Re: Compass use help needed for the N. Cascades (Marshall Karon)
   8. Posting mail to Snoqualmie (Caryl Bergeron)
   9. AT snow maps (The Weathercarrot)
  10. RE: Section C  report (Marion Davison)
  11. HIked Baden Powel (Shutterbug steiner)
  12. Re: [so_california_backpackers] Thanks for the ride and here
      is my report (Bill & Cathy)
  13. Section O update (Deems)
  14. Like a duck . . . (JOHN F PATTERSON)
  15. Like a duck . . .  (JOHN F PATTERSON)
  16. Re: Compass use help needed for the N. Cascades (Bill & Cathy)
  17. Gutsy phoned from Big Bear City (danandgailsc@aol.com)
  18. Gutsy phoned from Big Bear City (danandgailsc@aol.com)
  19. Hosting (Daniel Braunstein)
  20. June trip (Bill & Cathy)
  21. Posting mail to Snoqualmie (yogi)
  22. JMT Questions (Andrew Bestwick)
  23. Forgetful (Bill & Cathy)
  24. Forgetful (yogi)
  25. Burney Falls SP Store package drop, Sec O (Deems)
  26. Re: Forgetful (Gary Wright)
  27. ride to Crater Lake (Alex Meek)
  28. Water report for E:  Tale of two cities (Freiman, Paul)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 13:12:11 -0400
From: danandgailsc@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Trail conditions near Onyx Summit
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Cc: tbache@san.rr.com
Message-ID: <8C7220834D30B91-F80-18E8C@FWM-R31.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I read with interest the thread a few days ago about conditions around Mission Creek and Onyx.  My wife, Gutsy, is section hiking and phoned Thursday from I-10 and was headed north.  Have any more hikers reported in from Big Bear City?  I don't expect to hear from her for a few days, but am worried about conditions--stream crossings, recent snows, route finding issues, etc.
 
Dan
 
>>>>>>>>Thru hiker Carl Rush stayed at my house a week ago and told me that the lower elevations have no snow but that the Whitewater is roaring. He said that coming through Mission Creek parts of the trail were washed out or underwater and that lots of bushwacking was required. He also said that 
passed Coon Creek the snow got deep and he lost the trail and instead walked down the road to 38 and hitched into Big Bear. Remember however that temps 
up here in BB have been in the 60s all week, so the snow should have melted 
some.
I hiked this morning on the PCT from Onyx down to where it intersects with 
the 4 roads (about 2 miles south of Onyx I think). The trail was mostly 
clear in this stretch.
Hope that helps, and good luck.

Daniel

>From: Tom Bache <tbache@san.rr.com>
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] snow conditions near Onyx Summit
>Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:39:30 -0700
>
>We?d like to hike the PCT from I-10 up to Big Bear  this weekend.  Does
>anyone know the current snow conditions?    Can we hike through with care,
>but no special snow gear?
>
>Tom
 


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:44:39 -0700
From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thanks for the ride and here is my report
To: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <000c01c553fe$0085e260$20626e47@w9c4l5>
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Hi Bill   If Doble trail camp was some green grass surrounded by Barb wire,
well we went by that fast and really didn't see anything there.   We really
didn't go off trail at all. When we got to Van Dusen Canyon we hit the very
nice running creek then we camped close by and crossed the road in the
morning.    GPBill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
To: "'Bill & Cathy'" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thanks for the ride and here is my report


Bill-

There normally is no water on trail there.

Did you check out Doble Trail Camp? There should be water there, at least in
seeps below the trail. It's not signed, so can be easy to miss.

Thanks,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
there is "NO WATER" between hwy18 and the creek at van dusen rd.



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:42:16 -0400
From: "The Weathercarrot" <weathercarrot@hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] skipping around the snow in socal
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net, phix@optigan.com
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pea asks:

<< so i figure i'll do the more desert-y stuff for now... my question is,
what's the best, southern-most point to get back on the trail, where i
won't hit any snow stuff going north until the sierras? i'd like to do
that chunk, and hopefully by the time i get to walker pass or kennedy
meadows, the snow levels in the section i skipped will be more agreeable
and i can come back and cover that section without having to do any
bypasses. then after THAT, i'll see what the situation is like in the
sierras, and decide whether to do a flipflop or whatever. >>

based on reports I've seen in the last week, it sounds like you could start 
at Cloudburst Summit (PCT mile 398.1 - north of Wrightwood), and walk 
continuously to Kennedy Meadows without having to jump around to avoid lots 
of snow.

wc




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:44:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: dsaufley@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] skipping around the snow in socal
To: Marshall Karon <m.karon@comcast.net>,	Pea Hicks
	<phix@optigan.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID:
	<24283421.1115585089574.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
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All clear to KM from here, but there have been reports of snowfall and some cold conditions.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marshall Karon <m.karon@comcast.net>
Sent: May 8, 2005 12:56 PM
To: Pea Hicks <phix@optigan.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] skipping around the snow in socal

How would it be from Agua Dulce? 

Marshall Karon
Portland, OR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pea Hicks" <phix@optigan.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: [pct-l] skipping around the snow in socal


> hi all-
> 
> i'm taking a couple days off from the trail, after having hiked from 
> campo to idyllwild, to figure out a plan for ditching around as much 
> snow and other bad weather as possible.
> 
> basically, i want to skip the whole chunk north of idyllwild that might 
> involve re-routes, etc, around the snow (fuller ridge, big bear area, 
> baden powell, etc). i'll come back later and do this whole section. i 
> got off the trail just before fuller ridge, which most folks are 
> re-routing around in order to avoid the snow/ice up there.
> 
> so i figure i'll do the more desert-y stuff for now... my question is, 
> what's the best, southern-most point to get back on the trail, where i 
> won't hit any snow stuff going north until the sierras? i'd like to do 
> that chunk, and hopefully by the time i get to walker pass or kennedy 
> meadows, the snow levels in the section i skipped will be more agreeable 
> and i can come back and cover that section without having to do any 
> bypasses. then after THAT, i'll see what the situation is like in the 
> sierras, and decide whether to do a flipflop or whatever.
> 
> so, any suggestions?
> 
> pea
> (aka girl scout)
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 16:31:26 -0700
From: Eckert <jape@nethere.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Attn: Hikers between Idyllwild and Big Bear
To: pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <427EA14E.7000605@nethere.com>
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took a hiker to Campo today, and saw B. Knuckles and friend starting 
out. High spirits and intending to move fast.  Keep yer eyes peeled.

Eckert 



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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:57:55 -0400
From: "Geoffrey Selling" <geoffreys@gfsnet.org>
Subject: [pct-l] Compass use help needed for the N. Cascades
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <fc.000f8bcc00bb0bac3b9aca004dd58045.bb0bb4@gfsnet.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Friends,
	I'll be attempting my first long distance hike on the PCT in late June......from Snoqualamie Pass north to the end.  Several posts have mentioned needing a compass for that portion of the trail.  I
have a compass but other than figuring out which way is North, South, East and West, I don't really know how to use a cmpass and a map to find my way, especially if I get lost.  How does one learn
this skill?  Is there an article on the subject or a chapter in a book  or some "tricks of the trade" I should know about?  Can any of you veterans help out?

	
											Thanks,
										Geoffrey (Philadelphia)



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:12:43 -0700
From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Compass use help needed for the N. Cascades
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, "Geoffrey Selling"
	<geoffreys@gfsnet.org>
Message-ID: <000501c5542b$d21007c0$6401a8c0@gatewaycompute>
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Actually, if you don't encounter snow (which you probably won't if it stays 
warm), you really won't need the compass to navigate. Sure, you would like 
to be able to orient the map when you feel lost (you probably will feel that 
way several times - even though you aren't). But, even then, carefully 
reading (and rereading) the guide book normally will do the trick. Trails 
have a habit of going every direction as they wind up, over, and around 
mountains, gulleys, etc. If you can't see a landmark, the compass by itself 
won't do much good.

But, that said, try the web for some basics. Then, get  a topo map of an 
area near you and give it a try.

Try this link (or just search for Map and Compass). Happy reading!
http://www.princeton.edu/~oa/manual/mapcompass.shtml

Marshall Karon
Portland, OR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoffrey Selling" <geoffreys@gfsnet.org>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:57 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Compass use help needed for the N. Cascades


> Friends,
> I'll be attempting my first long distance hike on the PCT in late 
> June......from Snoqualamie Pass north to the end.  Several posts have 
> mentioned needing a compass for that portion of the trail.  I
> have a compass but other than figuring out which way is North, South, East 
> and West, I don't really know how to use a cmpass and a map to find my 
> way, especially if I get lost.  How does one learn
> this skill?  Is there an article on the subject or a chapter in a book  or 
> some "tricks of the trade" I should know about?  Can any of you veterans 
> help out?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Geoffrey (Philadelphia)
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:27:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Caryl Bergeron <caryl_bergeron@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Posting mail to Snoqualmie
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050509002721.17548.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Now that the P.O. at Snoqualmie Pass is closed where is the best place to send a box if I don't want to stay at the lodge?

		
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:32:30 -0400
From: "The Weathercarrot" <weathercarrot@hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] AT snow maps
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <BAY104-F11C18817AB38600D31D4AEAE1E0@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

For those who have not seen my Appalachian Trail snowfall maps website and 
are interested, here is the link:

http://friends.backcountry.net/snowmaps

It'll be a bit slow to load for dial-up users. Read the project history and 
description page for all the disclaimers.  I had seriously thought about a 
similar project for the PCT, but it would take a few years of more research, 
plus atleast 2 years after that to actually create the maps, and I don't 
know if I have the resources/motivation right now. But I haven't ruled it 
out completely. Enjoy,

wc




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 17:35:27 -0700
From: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>
Subject: [pct-l] RE: Section C  report
To: Daniel Braunstein <dpbraunstein@hotmail.com>
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <427EB04F.6010600@charter.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed

Bill and Cathy wrote:
 We let them know about the 15 trees across the trail from the dump rd. 
to van dusen rd and that there is "NO WATER" between hwy18 and the creek 
at van dusen rd. From van dusen rd to little bear springs there were 17 
trees down and across the trail. The trees ranged from 6" across to 3' 
across. That will be a lot of work.

We have the capability to clear all these trees in a weekend, if we can 
get a shuttle ride.  We would park at Hwy 18 and hike northbound to 
Coxey Truck trail (3n14), clearing all the trees along the way .  We 
would then need a ride to take Ray back to the starting point so he 
could move the van and stock trailer to our new location and pick us 
up.  Can anyone help?
llamalady


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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:44:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shutterbug steiner <shutterbugg313@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] HIked Baden Powel
To: pct <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <20050509004427.56060.qmail@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hiked Baden Powel today and plan on leaving water and
trail report as well as alternative PCT hikes around
this section this week.  Many hikers requested that
when I was hiking with them the past two weeks.  There
is a GREAT MAP marquee located on the South side of
the HIway some what hidden behind the wood wall that
shows all potential Routes from to avoid snow or not.


SNOW REPORT
Little or NO snow on the Blue Ridge to Inspiration
Point

NO snow from Inspiration Point to Vincent Gap.

Snow beings after a three or so switch backs and then
there are stairsteps that me and friend made up the
whole way to Baden Powell summit.  Snow is about 2-6ft
deep the whole way up and very heavy and almost
slushy.  IMO this can easily be done with thru hiker
tennis shoes --- they will get wet but should not be a
problem.  The problem will be from getting from the
summit to Little Jimmy's .......... The trail is on
the North side and has some steep exposure and
crampons and ice axe would be recommended.  The South
side is mostly snow free but is full of dirt and loose
rocks.  There might be a few problem spots on the
South side scramble but should be passable.  Even
though I know at least one person passed through this
way I saw NO tracks.

The road walk is another option --- but was told that
ONE thruer turned around an avalange because it was
too dangerous. and obviouosly is boring and hard on
the feet and NOT the PCT.

Looks like the desert Divide Trial might be another
option --- it seems to be fairly well marked and
maintained (at least at the beginining) but will have
less views, more desert, and more elevation gain and
loss.

I will actually leave a map, water guide that was
posted this week and some pictures of the options so
people can make better choices at either the Cajon
Pass or the first Cache.

Duane --- Shutterbugg

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:32:50 -0700
From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Re: [so_california_backpackers] Thanks for the ride
	and here is my report
To: "Marion Davison" <mardav@charter.net>
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <000f01c55437$04e3ce60$27456e47@w9c4l5>
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Hi there were some patches of snow. The largest was about 150' long. We
walked over it because it was pretty hard. From the Dump rd.to van dusen
there were 15 trees down and no snow to speak of. You should have no problem
through there. The snow starts a couple miles after van dusen if I remember
correctly. It was at higher elevation, above 7000'. I don't know the names
of all the jeep roads that cut across through that area. There were also a
couple of trash heaps that we saw. One was by a road and the other was about
100 yds off the trail by a camp site, you could see a couple of fire pits
too. If you put all the snow together it could be approximately a half mile
to one mile across but that doesn't help much when it is a lot of spots
through the area.   Sorry it can't be better.      Ground Pounder Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion Davison" <mardav@charter.net>
To: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [so_california_backpackers] Thanks for the ride and here is my
report


> Bill & Cathy wrote:
>
> > Hi Dan  finished today at little bear springs. We had a great time and
> > thanks to you we could do the hike. I really appreciate the help in
> > taking us from little bear springs to hwy 18 and to the Discovery
> > center. The first day we did 5hrs and got to 3n09, Van Dusen rd. Today
> > we did 6.5hrs and made it to my truck. We thought we would hit a lot
> > of snow, that's why we had planned for a third day. We averaged 1.75
> > miles an hour. I think that was pretty good seeing that we were
> > carrying 55 plus lbs. We stopped in at the Discovery Center after the
> > hike today. We let them know about the 15 trees across the trail from
> > the dump rd. to van dusen rd and that there is "NO WATER" between
> > hwy18 and the creek at van dusen rd. From van dusen rd to little bear
> > springs there were 17 trees down and across the trail. The trees
> > ranged from 6" across to 3' across. That will be a lot of work.
>
> We are called the "Fannypack Swat Team"  We load up a chain saw and
> tools  on our lead llama, and the rest of our llamas carry our stuff.
> Then we hike along the PCT at about 10 miles a day, clearing all the
> trees we come across.  We work on section C and D.  Reports like yours
> are really helpful, because you told us where the work needs to be done
> so we can go out and do it in an efficient and timely manner.
> One thing you did not tell us--did you encounter any snow between Hiway
> 18 and 3n14 (thats the road just past Little Bear Springs Trail Camp).
> We cleared that section last year, but were turned back by snow short of
> the goal.
> Llamas can't wear crampons or carry an ice ax, so they are limited to
> working in snow-free areas.
> Can you tell me specifically about the snow between those points so I
> can plan accordingly?
> llamalady



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:14:08 -0700
From: "Deems" <losthiker@sisqtel.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Section O update
To: "pct" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <008a01c55434$67a16470$83591fd0@S0029439031>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I just tried to complete Section O with my third spring odyssey along it
this weekend, but still have 7 miles left to go. I started out at Burney
Falls and headed west towards Peavine creek. Burney Falls was incredible!
The recent rains and snow melt were evident at Rock Creek, and if the bridge
wasn't there, I couldn't have crossed it. The creek and falls were roaring
from the high water and current. After crossing the bridge there were some
very large cougar tracks along the trail. I climbed onward encountering a
normal amount of winter blowdown and some good water at the 6.1 mile point
past Rock Creek as noted in the book. At that point I saw the first snow.
About one mile from Peavine creek, I was walking on snow, and at Peavine
Creek (4700ft)  and on it was all snow, and getting deeper.  I backtracked
one half mile back to the road crossing and set up camp. I gained 14 new
miles along the PCT. Since I didn't want to hike 7 more miles on snow in the
rain, then back, I returned to Burney Falls, hiking all day in the rain, and
will return to SecO in about a month to finish it. The snowfields along SecO
are currently from Peavine Creek to the westside of Grizzly Peak near Deer
Creek (4700ft), 30 miles. It'll take about a month? for it to melt enough
for a reasonable hike.




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOHN F PATTERSON <yuppatt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Like a duck . . .
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050509012734.33972.qmail@web81606.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Glorioski ! 
   The second lead editorial in today ' s Sunday N Y Times dealt with the weather in California - Los Angeles . Pointing out what the Times '  weather page had said Friday in that Los Angeles as many of you are likely to know . . . is an inch or so shy of that city ' s all time record for moisture - WET , dating to 1883  - 84 .
   Total accumulations to date already put the city ahead of Chicago , St Louis , Dallas and CLEVELAND ' S ANNUAL precipitation totals and the Los Angeles ' s total is approaching that of PITTSBURG ' S . 
   Wha '  ?  
   Surely . . . like - a - duck ( in more ways then one . )
   Too , Mammoth , received another twelve inches of snow earlier this week { Total now 588 versus 617 ( record ) } and it is snowing as we speak - now - like blazes ; check out the web cams . 
   Gusts of wind in excess of eighty miles per hour on the ridges . Yoikes .
   Hikers : 2004 was a sinecure .  
       Rafter Jack




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOHN F PATTERSON <yuppatt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Like a duck . . . 
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050509014352.31506.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
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Slight error , make that , " wind gusts to 100 MPH on the ridges . "   
   Rafter Jack



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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:28:38 -0700
From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Compass use help needed for the N. Cascades
To: "Geoffrey Selling" <geoffreys@gfsnet.org>
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <002d01c5543e$d0c4ef80$27456e47@w9c4l5>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hi  A very good book that I have read is   "Finding your way in the
Outdoors"  by Robert L Mooers, Jr.   its an outdoor life  book, you know the
Magazine.  It should tell you all you need to know.  If you get a GPS then
that's a different story. Remember  "Be Prepared" Ground Pounder Bill
"Semper Fi"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoffrey Selling" <geoffreys@gfsnet.org>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:57 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Compass use help needed for the N. Cascades


> Friends,
> I'll be attempting my first long distance hike on the PCT in late
June......from Snoqualamie Pass north to the end.  Several posts have
mentioned needing a compass for that portion of the trail.  I
> have a compass but other than figuring out which way is North, South, East
and West, I don't really know how to use a cmpass and a map to find my way,
especially if I get lost.  How does one learn
> this skill?  Is there an article on the subject or a chapter in a book  or
some "tricks of the trade" I should know about?  Can any of you veterans
help out?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Geoffrey (Philadelphia)
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 22:22:45 -0400
From: danandgailsc@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Gutsy phoned from Big Bear City
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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"Bread and water never tasted so good!"  
 
That's the message Gutsy asked me to give Ron Strickland, who gave her some homemade bread on the trail today just south of Onyx summit.  She phoned from Motel 6 in Big Bear City this evening, around 5 p.m. Pacific Time.  I was so relieved to hear from her, and a little surprised that she is in Big Bear City already.  I was worried about everything from dangerous stream crossings to route finding in fresh snow to icy slopes.  Gutsy is a remarkable woman with lots of trail experience, common sense, and spunk, and I should not worry so much, but I always do.  Maybe some of you readers will empathize.  I scoured trailjournals.com, and did not see any reports from Big Bear City yet.
 
Before Onyx summit, Gutsy sat with Sparrow along hwy 38 until a ride came along, and Sparrow got a ride to Big Bear City. That's when Gutsy enjoyed the bread.  I am glad for others out there who provide camaraderie and all manner of assistance such as footprints in the snow and tasty homemade bread.  (I tried emailing Ron Strickland, but the message did not go through.)
   
She was a little jealous when I told her about my hike to a local waterfall (upper SC) yesterday with our little granddaughters.  She's section hiking and is due to be home in a week.  But she's also toying with the idea of hiking on the PCT in OR or WA in June.  She has a graduate school class in July.
 
Dan
 
 


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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 22:22:51 -0400
From: danandgailsc@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Gutsy phoned from Big Bear City
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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"Bread and water never tasted so good!"  
 
That's the message Gutsy asked me to give Ron Strickland, who gave her some homemade bread on the trail today just south of Onyx summit.  She phoned from Motel 6 in Big Bear City this evening, around 5 p.m. Pacific Time.  I was so relieved to hear from her, and a little surprised that she is in Big Bear City already.  I was worried about everything from dangerous stream crossings to route finding in fresh snow to icy slopes.  Gutsy is a remarkable woman with lots of trail experience, common sense, and spunk, and I should not worry so much, but I always do.  Maybe some of you readers will empathize.  I scoured trailjournals.com, and did not see any reports from Big Bear City yet.
 
Before Onyx summit, Gutsy sat with Sparrow along hwy 38 until a ride came along, and Sparrow got a ride to Big Bear City. That's when Gutsy enjoyed the bread.  I am glad for others out there who provide camaraderie and all manner of assistance such as footprints in the snow and tasty homemade bread.  (I tried emailing Ron Strickland, but the message did not go through.)
   
She was a little jealous when I told her about my hike to a local waterfall (upper SC) yesterday with our little granddaughters.  She's section hiking and is due to be home in a week.  But she's also toying with the idea of hiking on the PCT in OR or WA in June.  She has a graduate school class in July.
 
Dan
 
 


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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:13:13 -0700
From: "Daniel Braunstein" <dpbraunstein@hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Hosting
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Don't know if any hikers will get this, but my offer still stands. You are 
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 22:41:30 -0700
From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
Subject: [pct-l] June trip
To: "Rob Langsdorf" <mctrob@yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <015b01c55459$c18d1b80$27456e47@w9c4l5>
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Hi Rob I might make a five day trip in June to get me to the I-15. My
Grandson Bryan won't be able to go with me but his 14yr old sister wants to.
My Grand daughter has been with us on our hike from humber park to the I-10
so she knows what to expect. After that I want to do a weekend in July to go
up to Wrightwood and hoping to get to hwy 2. Then in August go over Baden
Powell and on to little Jimmy. From there take two weeks in the beginning of
October and make it to KM. I hope I can manage all of this to set myself up
for next year to take three weeks from KM to Yosemite. That's all I have
planned for now? What do you think?
Remember "Be Prepared" Ground Pounder Bill  "Semper Fi"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Langsdorf" <mctrob@yahoo.com>
To: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>; "Daniel Braunstein"
<dpbraunstein@hotmail.com>
Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [so_california_backpackers] Thanks for the ride and here is my
report


> Bill,
>
>     It sounds like another 2-3 days of travel should
> get you down to the desert floor just in time for
> summer. What are your plans for the next 70 miles or
> so to get you into the San Gabriels?
>
>       Rob
>
> --- Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat@verizon.net> wrote:
> > BlankHi Dan  finished today at little bear springs.
> > We had a great time and thanks to you we could do
> > the hike. I really appreciate the help in taking us
> > from little bear springs to hwy 18 and to the
> > Discovery center. The first day we did 5hrs and got
> > to 3n09, Van Dusen rd. Today we did 6.5hrs and made
> > it to my truck. We thought we would hit a lot of
> > snow, that's why we had planned for a third day. We
> > averaged 1.75 miles an hour. I think that was pretty
> > good seeing that we were carrying 55 plus lbs. We
> > stopped in at the Discovery Center after the hike
> > today. We let them know about the 15 trees across
> > the trail from the dump rd. to van dusen rd and that
> > there is "NO WATER" between hwy18 and the creek at
> > van dusen rd. From van dusen rd to little bear
> > springs there were 17 trees down and across the
> > trail. The trees ranged from 6" across to 3' across.
> > That will be a lot of work. There were a couple of
> > trash piles that we forgot to tell them about 5
> > miles back from little bear springs trail camp. The
> > horse trough at the trail camp is bone dry. Small
> > creeks start to appear about 4 miles back from the
> > trail camp but not before, not a drop except for the
> > snow piles  that you have to cross on the trail. If
> > you put all the snow together you might have a half
> > mile but the longest stretch was maybe 150'. There
> > was nothing dangerous at all.  Thanks again for your
> > help. We had a good time  and    Remember
> > "Be Prepared"  Ground Pounder Bill    "Semper Fi"
>
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:26:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: yogi <yogihikes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Posting mail to Snoqualmie
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050509052618.59831.qmail@web81501.mail.yahoo.com>
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Actually, now there is a PO again, but it's only open for a couple hours each morning.  Monte just called me with the info a couple days ago.  I'll look up the info and post it later on Monday.
 
yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
 
 
 
 


Caryl Bergeron <caryl_bergeron@yahoo.com> wrote:
Now that the P.O. at Snoqualmie Pass is closed where is the best place to send a box if I don't want to stay at the lodge?


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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 01:42:06 -0400
From: Andrew Bestwick <bestwick@gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] JMT Questions
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Hi folks -

I'm a newcomer to the list, planning a 2006 PCT thruhike. I had two
questions about a JMT thruhike for this summer:

1) I've always used PolarPure iodine water treatment, though I've
heard that Cryptosporidium is more of a problem out west. Any thoughts
on the safety of using iodine on the JMT?

2) Say I wanted to get on the trail a day earlier than I had
originally planned (i.e. a day before my permit says I can be there).
Just how much trouble would I be likely to meet from Yosemite rangers?


Thanks,
Andrew Bestwick.


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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:01:27 -0700
From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Forgetful
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <002801c554a7$fcb948c0$bc486e47@w9c4l5>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

BlankHi All  I forgot one important place where there is a tree across the trail. As we approached the Cougar Crest trail, we stopped at the sign that said Cougar Crest trail and noticed below the sign someone had written, "NOT PCT", so we turned around looking for the trail. My grandson spotted another post to the north and behind a fallen tree that was blocking the trail so well that we went right by it. If thrus going very fast don't notice the "not pct" they will go right down the CCT to the Discovery Center and that is 2.6M down and then back. I hope some one can get to this soon. Sorry I forgot about it.  Ground Pounder Bill

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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: yogi <yogihikes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Forgetful
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050509152544.51720.qmail@web81505.mail.yahoo.com>
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That was a confusing junction back in 2001, and it 
seems it still is!  Regarding this junction, I have 
this in my book:  
 
"Cougar Crest Trail - be careful here.  Some hikers 
ended up going left down the Cougar Crest Trail toward 
Big Bear Lake.  The PCT makes a U-turn to the right.  
Look at map C8."
 
yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
 


Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat@verizon.net> wrote:BlankHi All I forgot one important place where there is a tree across the trail. As we approached the Cougar Crest trail, we stopped at the sign that said Cougar Crest trail and noticed below the sign someone had written, "NOT PCT", so we turned around looking for the trail. My grandson spotted another post to the north and behind a fallen tree that was blocking the trail so well that we went right by it. If thrus going very fast don't notice the "not pct" they will go right down the CCT to the Discovery Center and that is 2.6M down and then back. I hope some one can get to this soon. Sorry I forgot about it. Ground Pounder Bill
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:34:28 -0700
From: "Deems" <losthiker@sisqtel.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Burney Falls SP Store package drop, Sec O
To: "pct" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <005301c554ac$976ae3c0$a9591fd0@S0029439031>
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The Burney Falls Store inside the State Park is accepting thruhiker packages
this year for a $5 dollar fee and letters for $2. The address I assume is
still the same as in Yogi's book.
^^^
Hiker name
c/o Burney Falls Camp Services
McArthur Burney Falls State Park
Route 1, Box 1240
Burney, CA 96013




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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:46:12 -0400
From: Gary Wright <at2002@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forgetful
To: yogi <yogihikes@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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On May 9, 2005, at 11:25 AM, yogi wrote:
> "Cougar Crest Trail - be careful here.  Some hikers
> ended up going left down the Cougar Crest Trail toward
> Big Bear Lake.  The PCT makes a U-turn to the right.
> Look at map C8."

This is a great example of why Yogi's book is so useful.
I remember coming up on this junction last year and even
though I'm a map geek (thus "Radar") and had read Yogi's
notes earlier in the day I still almost went down the
wrong trail.  There a many other similar situations
identified in the handbook.

Radar


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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 09:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex Meek <meek_alex@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] ride to Crater Lake
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050509163739.22344.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Is there anyone that could possibly give me a ride to Crater Lake from Klamath Falls or any other nearby towns with a greyhound station on June 5th or 6th? I am starting my hike to Manning from the Lake, but I have no way to get there.
 
Thanks!
 
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 09:42:13 -0700
From: "Freiman, Paul" <pfreiman@ucsd.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] Water report for E:  Tale of two cities
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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It was a tale of two cities.  The first area, from Lake Hughes Road (aka Lake Elizabeth Rd) to Boquet Canyon, was lush with three waterfalls and strong creeks EVERYWHERE.  You did not go a mile between creek flows.  Then there was the area between Boquet and Agua Dulce where there was only the trickle from Bear Springs, the water trough was full, and immediately 
before Bear Springs was a nice creek where it was easy to get water.  Mint Canyon has a good flow, but I figure it will dry up in one month.

Caches:  The cache on the near side of Boquet Canyon is empty.  The far side has two gallon buckets that have water in them, but the creek is flowing. The Oasis has six gallons of water plus tasty beverages (THANK YOU ANGELS!).  The Lake Hughes cache has six gallons, but also has a huge flowing major creek right next to it.

FISH ALERT:  (Please contact Pete about this)  The area right at the start above Boquet Creek has the trail RIGHT ON THE EDGE of the creek.  Animals CAN NOT use this.  This area will erode into the creek if action isn't taken.  While there, the area on the near side of Boquet needs mowing.  It is hard to see the trail (too overgrown).

Capt Bivy


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