[pct-l] Trolls (was: thru-hiking with dogs)

[dsaufley at sprynet.com (dsaufley@sprynet.com)]

Well, I have to thank Brick Robbins for educating me, so it's my turn to pass it on.  Simply, trolls like to create arguments.  They can do it with flame wars and inflammatory statements.  The arguments are one thing, but in the extreme the real threat is that lists can literally be polluted by a troll -- the atmosphere and desirability of a belonging to list ruined and shut down.  There is documented history of this happening on lists similar to ours.

It's the job of the list managers to manage just that type of occurrence.  When someone is obviously trying to start arguments, the managers sometimes have to step in and kick that person or persons off the list.  They also give guidance or discourage discussions that range too far off topic.  The PCT-L managers have been very judicious in this regard (many thanks to our unseen heros).  

I had no idea that this sort of thing existed, and especially wouldn't have expected it amoung a hiker list, until I got sucked into responding to just such an inflammatory statement.  It didn't take long before I realized that the person who'd thrown the flame was relishing the ire they'd raised, and continued to make argumentive, assinine statements that drew me and other reasonable souls out. 

Anyway, be on the lookout for ridiculously stupid comments, or statements begging argument too readily.  Don't feed the troll what they want, and that is your response, and as many others as they can get.  

-=Donna Saufley=-

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>
Sent: Apr 18, 2005 11:28 PM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] thru-hiking with dogs.

Donna,
 Educate me. What is trolling and what is the point of it?
 Just curious...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dsaufley@sprynet.com>
To: "Jeff Moorehead" <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>; 
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] thru-hiking with dogs.


> Isn't it TROLL season?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>
> Sent: Apr 18, 2005 11:06 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] thru-hiking with dogs.
>
> Amen to that. Give the ranger a break if he/she doesn't know that your dog
> is a service dog. There are reasons why dogs aren't allowed in some
> areas--i.e. wilderness status. You sound somewhat spiteful instead of
> willing to educate the rangers in a more effective way besides getting 
> them
> fired.
>
>>You say that as if getting rangers fired is something of which you
>>should be proud. If you are, in fact, legally in the right, why not
>>carry some kind of document as proof? That is, unless, you see getting
>>people fired as a more positive solution to the problem
>
>> Under the Americans with disability act you don't have to prove any
>> thing there is no certification of service dogs. I all ready filed suit
>> against the park service and before it even got to the courts the park
>> service asked what can be don to drop it because there legal councel
>> said i was in the right I said educate rangers that there is no
>> registration of a service dog. a service dog you get from one of those
>> schools and pay big bucks for is no more a service dog then my dog I
>> trained on my own.  I still have os how rangers tehre in the wrong. they
>>
>> usually give me a ticket I call the head of the park service legal
>> council ho is in Washington dc and is disabled him self. and say guess
>> what I got a ticket for her and usually the ranger is fired.  If it is
>> the second tiem for them sighting me I have goten 3 rangers fiored in
>> yellowsotne.
>>
>> Bob Bankhead wrote:
>>
>>> A WORD TO THE WISE:
>>> You can say whatever you want to the ranger, but it will be up to you
>>> to PROVE she is a service dog. You won't get an automatic "Pass" just
>>> because you make the claim. Ditto permits and bear cannisters. The
>>> rangers want to (and have a legal right to) see proof of same. Argue
>>> at your own (significant) risk.
>>>
>>> Wandering Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <akamp@qwest.net>
>>> To: "wade Weshonko" <ihamburger666@yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] thru-hiking with dogs.
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is one nice thing I cant through hike with out having to leave
>>>> here any were she can hike the whole way and if any one complains say
>>
>>>> hey she is a service dog you have to allow her .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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