FW: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs to Chihuahua Valley Rd. Water and stuff

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> [Original Message]
> From: Monty Tam <metam01@earthlink.net>
> To: Eric Yakel <eyakel@earthlink.net>
> Date: 2/2/2005 6:40:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs to Chihuahua Valley Rd. Water and
stuff
>
> Dr. Bob and Eric
>
> I just came from what might be a 3rd road.  It's on 79 a few hundred
yards north/west of the PCT crossing .  Use to be gravel 100 yards, then
paved.  Now it's all paved.  About 5+ miles northeast(north from Warner
Springs, 1/3 the total distance in PCT miles, as you described) there's a
trailhead.  Less than 1/4 mile up the hill is the PCT, 1/3 the distance to
Chihuahua Valley road as described.  
>
> You must be wanting 13 miles up from 79 or 1/3 of the way south from
Chihuahua Valley Road, the one Eric just mentioned.  
>
> Where you come very close to the paved road I'm talking about, it doesn't
make sense to put a water cashe.  Agua Caliente Creek is only a couple
miles to the south and Lost Valley Spring, that also has a clear seasonal
creek 30 feet away now, is less than 2 miles to the north (an easy, less
than 1/4 mile to the left, not the south as I posted earlier).  Looks like
a jeep road coming up to Lost Valley Spring from the west too.  Maybe this
is part of the confusion.
>
> It's only 8 miles to Chihauhua Valley Road from there, but if I had a
water cashe at the 13 mile point as Eric mentioned, I wouldn't carry any
water at all.  (maybe a few ounces)  Especially if I was parked at the
finish line and didn't have to depend on a cashe.
>
> Warner Springs Monty
>
>
>
>   
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>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Eric Yakel <eyakel@earthlink.net>
> > To: <metam01@earthlink.net>
> > Date: 2/2/2005 5:32:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs to Chihuahua Valley Rd. Water and
stuff
> >
> > Yes sir, if you look at the sign at the start of that road  from where
it
> > leaves
> > Hwy. 79 there is a sign that says "Lost Valley Road".  It is paved and
some
> > of it is now newly paved, although narrow.  It goes to Indian Flats
> > Campground.
> > However, if you go up Chihuahua Valley Rd you will find a dirt road
that is
> > a
> > backway into Indian Flats Campground.  It is at about the 4-5 mile
marker on
> > Chihuahua Valley Rd.    The Lost Valley Rd. comes within 50-100 yards of
> > the PCT about 5 miles up it.  There is a little trailhead with a spur
trail
> > (jeep
> > road) that leads about a 1/2 mile to the PCT.  This is at the 5-6 mile
point
> > of Lost Valley Road.  I don't know which one Robert wants to leave the
> > water at.  The one I left it at is a total of about 13 miles from Hwy.
79
> > going
> > up Chihuahua Valley Road first, and then on the dirt road which is
marked to
> > the Boy Scout Camp.  Go down and look.  If I'm wrong I'll eat my dirty
> > chonies.  Eric Yakel
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
> > To: <eyakel@earthlink.net>; "pct-l" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs to Chihuahua Valley Rd. Water and
stuff
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hey Eric
> > > Did I get this wrong.  I thought he was talking about the road 1/3 to
> > > Chihuahua Valley road, or the 116 mile point where Indian Flats Road
comes
> > > close to the PCT.  This road starts 1/4 mile or maybe less north of
the
> > > north PCT crossing of HWY 79.  It goes NW close to the PCT and on to
> > Indian
> > > Flats campground a total of 7 miles according to the sign on 79. 
Maybe
> > the
> > > roads have two different names and you are approaching from the north.
> > > What I'm talking about is partially paved and some years back I drove
> > there
> > > in a little low clearance sports car.
> > > I'll violate someones copyrights and email you a map separately. 
Maybe
> > > you'll need to straighten me out.  I still need my workout today. 
Guess I
> > > may as well do it there right now from the road out past Lost Valley
> > > Spings. You're welcome to join me.
> > >
> > > Let me know how confused I am.
> > >
> > > Warner Springs Monty
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: <eyakel@earthlink.net>
> > > > To: <metam01@earthlink.net>; pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > > > Date: 2/2/2005 1:28:59 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs to Chihuahua Valley Rd. Water
and
> > > stuff
> > > >
> > > > Yeah Monty, I believe he is talking about the paved road (Lost
Valley
> > > Road), that
> > > > takes off 1-2 miles south on 79 from Warner Springs.  The Chihuahua
> > > Valley Road
> > > > leads up to the Boy Scout Road (dirt) that is crossed by the PCT
near
> > > Buckhorn mtn.
> > > > Myself and another person have left water at the Chihuahua Valley
(boy
> > > scout)road
> > > > the last two years.  Since I am hiking the trail this year I won't
be
> > > able to leave any
> > > > there so the help would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I am quite sure that the paved road he saw from the trail is
Lost
> > > VAlley Road.
> > > > It has a little trailhead parking area on it about 2-3 miles from
Indian
> > > Flats Campground.
> > > > However, if Robert leaves the water at the trailhead parking area, I
> > > don't believe any
> > > > one will find it.  It is about 1/2 mile from the trailhead by an old
> > jeep
> > > road until you
> > > > hit the actual PCT.  There is a dirt road that cuts across from
> > Chihuahua
> > > Valley Rd.
> > > > to Indian Flats Campground.  However it is very rough (definitely 4
> > wheel
> > > drive).  Hope
> > > > this helps.  Eric Y.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Monty Tam <metam01@earthlink.net>
> > > > Sent: Feb 2, 2005 12:32 PM
> > > > To: pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > > > Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs to Chihuahua Valley Rd. Water and
stuff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  [Original Message]
> > > >  From: Robert Ellinwood <rellinwood@worldnet.att.net
> > > >  To: <metam01@earthlink.net
> > > >  Date: 2/2/2005 6:45:05 AM
> > > >  Subject: Puerta Cruz Truck Tr ??
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Bob wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Monty,
> > > >
> > > >  I'm looking at a DeLorme map of the Warner Springs area. 2 summers
ago,
> > > as
> > > >  I hiked north from Warner Springs, about a third of the way (?) to
> > > >  Chihuahua Valley Rd I noticed -to my surprise - a nice tarred road
> > > appearing
> > > >  on my left, downslope, and eventually coming to within 50 yards of
the
> > > PCT
> > > >  but distinctly below it. At one point there was a "use trail"
dropping
> > > >  straight down to it from the PCT. There was zero traffic on the
road,
> > but
> > > >  it looked in decent shape. I couldn't believe it was tarred! Is
that
> > the
> > > >  Puerta Cruz Truck Tr? How do I drive to that exact point? I want to
> > place
> > > >  a water drop there. Do you head up Chihuahua Valley Rd for about 6
> > miles
> > > >  and then turn right onto that tar road? Do you know the road I'm
> > > referring
> > > >  to? Where does one get on it from the Warner Springs end? I'm
counting
> > on
> > > >  you - as a local lad - to know all the secrets of the area! Can you
> > write
> > > >  some good directions for me?
> > > >
> > > >  Thanks for your help.
> > > >
> > > >  Dr Bob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Response:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Dr. Bob
> > > > I'll help if I can.
> > > > You're talking about the north-of-town Warner Springs crossing to
> > > Chihuahua Valley Road? About an 18 mile stretch or about mile markers
110
> > > thru 128 ?
> > > > It this right?
> > > >
> > > > I suspect the road you're talking about is what we call Indian Flats
> > > Road. Only a section away from the highway is paved. It goes from just
> > west
> > > of the Hwy 79 trailhead 7 miles NE to Indian Flats Campground. At
about
> > > it's fourth mile( road miles) it comes close to the PCT, as you say,
which
> > > is about mile 116, six PCT miles from the road, or as you called it,
about
> > > one third of the way to Chihuahua Valley Road. Good call, one third
> > > exactly.
> > > >
> > > > (Puerta la Cruz in a women's prison honor camp. Their road goes back
> > > about two miles off the highway but it's a little farther north. Even
with
> > > clearance, which I do have, I strongly doubt they'd let me stray
beyond
> > the
> > > main section. I've met some very nice women there. Thay just happen
to be
> > > in prison.)
> > > >
> > > > On your way there you don't really need to carry water at all,
> > especially
> > > if you stach a cashe. You'll be hiking along the Auga Calliente Creek.
> > > After your first mile you'll come to a little picnic table area,
cross the
> > > creek (right now you might get your feet a little wet, but there's
places
> > > to rock-hop 50 yards up and down stream. Here you climb above the
creek
> > for
> > > well over a mile. On your left in the distance you'll see Lake
Henshaw and
> > > Palomar Mountain. Kelly and I live at Lake Henshaw. Don't forget to
wave.
> > > You'll drop back down to Agua Caliente Creek and follow it north for a
> > mile
> > > to about the 115 mile mark. Last water for a while. Now it's uphill.
In
> > > over a mile you'll see your road and trail dropping down to it. If you
> > > stash a cashe, you won't have to carry any water uphill the last mile.
> > > There is more water ahead right now though, Lost Valley Spring.
> > > > Hit and miss as far as quality and quantity? I don't know. Can't
> > remember
> > > being there, but if I remember right, in about four miles there's a
short
> > > trail that drops to the right to one of the springs that feed Agua
> > Caliente
> > > Creek. Right now into June there should be plenty of clear water.
Other
> > > years not as good?? If you choose this one, you're only eight miles
from
> > > Chihuahua Valley Road. No water that I know of beyond this point. Big
> > water
> > > cashe and maybe a water tank at Chihuahua Valley Road.
> > > >
> > > > Right now Agua Caliente Creek is clear and clean, and running very
well.
> > > The best water at the picnic table area and above. Personally, I
wouldn't
> > > carry any water until the last eight miles (extreme heat the
exception).
> > > >
> > > > When are you planning on going?
> > > >
> > > > I'm sending you a little map that shows you're approach from the
south.
> > > >
> > > > Eric,,,,,If you're listening, do you have anything else to add?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Dr. Bob
> > > > I feel a little more oriented having to think about this.
> > > >
> > > > Warner Springs Monty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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