[pct-l] Dress Me Up & Pack Me Out - Sleeping Bag/System

[metam01 at earthlink.net (Monty Tam)]

Aloha
Great, I hope it's helpful.
Now I need to add on 6 sections of a z-rest for a sleeping pad I forgot to
include................6 ounces.
Revised weights are 2#9oz., 2#14oz, 4# for the three versions of my
complete sleep system.

You're getting the Lunar Solo??  Great!  I just heard about it last
month.............24ozs...........  I hear it keeps the bugs off, my main
reason for a tent, and has room for gear.
I've seen internet pictures but they don't give me any understanding of
where the inside is relative to the outside, where the door is relative to
the inside, or the what it looks like vestibule open vs. vestibule closed.
I contacted Ron, the designer, but he says there are none in Southern
California to look at. I'm going to buy one to use for Oregon and
Washington next year... Soon, maybe now. He's got a good deal on them right
now. I love my Europa II and I'll save it for when I hike with my
girlfriend.  Solo hiking???  HALF A POUND LESS and it keeps the mosquitos
off.

Bag temperature.............................the silnylon bivy cover.
I'm old too.  The reason I was able to go to lighter bags.  Clothing layers
and the 6oz bivy cover.  When I use a tent it counts as 6 more ounces
toward bag weight, however it adds the warmth of a heavier lower degree
bag.  When I use a tarp it's made to also serve as my ground cloth. There I
save the ground cloth weight, get the warmer temperature, keep my bag
clean, and protect me and my bag from rain that might spray under the tarp.
Temperature wise, even with ice on the tent, below freezing, I was still
not cold when others with heavier bags were freezing. (That is also due to
the four layers of clothing I used........also lightweight)

Sleep Naked?  Hot nights I've slept between the top of my bag and the bivy.
Has a half zip down the side.
Cold nights?  Like a heavier bag.

I'll be at the KickOff too.  If for nothing else, there's lots of free
food!!................Just kidding.  There's plenty happening there.
Maybe we'll see you there.

Warner Springs Monty  


> [Original Message]
> From: Aloha! Ann <AlohaAnn@adelphia.net>
> To: <metam01@earthlink.net>
> Date: 10/24/2004 8:23:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dress Me Up & Pack Me Out - Sleeping Bag/System
>
> Aloha Warner Springs Monty!
>
> Thank you for taking the time to respond.  It's greatly appreciated.
>
> I'll have to check out your sleeping system a bit more indepth.  I haven't
> heard of the Phantom series.  I do like the weight numbers for sure!  They
> may be a bit too "cool" for me though.  As I grow older (ugh) I tend to
> sleep colder.  I'm not opposed to wearing more clothes while sleeping but
I
> do admit that sleeping nude when it's something like 23 outside is pretty
> awesome.  I think that was the last reading in Maine.  Granted, getting
out
> of the bag sucked but I believe that's true for all of them on a cold
> morning!
>
> I'm new at the tarp thing.  I'm a Nomad Lite gal myself.  A mere 2.5
pounds
> and this includes my Leki poles and three stakes.  Love my Nomad.  I am
> certainly willing to give a tarp, tarp/tent a try though.  I had planned
on
> ordering a Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo today.  I will go back and reassess
> the Europa II after hearing from you.  Thank you.
>
> A mere 2#8oz to 3#10oz = awesome!  A nine to 12 pound base weight is
> phenomenal in my eyes.  I wonder if I'll ever be able to bring myself to
> that.  This warm weather recently departed Hawaii gal is literally afraid
of
> the cold.  Silly I know but..... I'm not opposed to change... just cold!
>
> I'll be at the KickOff for sure.  Hope to start the trail about a week
> before it, hitch back to it, hike a few more days after and then I have a
> paid for Alaskan cruise I need to take.  I'll be back to the trail in 2 to
> 2.5 weeks.  Hopefully everyone won't have run by me by then.  We'll see.
> Anyway, I won't miss the Kickoff!
>
> Thank you again for responding. Off to look at the Europa again!
>
> Aloha! Ann
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
> To: "Aloha! Ann" <AlohaAnn@adelphia.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 3:34 AM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Dress Me Up & Pack Me Out - Sleeping Bag/System
>
>
> > Ann
> > Great questions.
> > Cut some weight?  Me too.
> > I'd rather carry a pencil than a Buick.
> >
> > This summer:
> > 1#6oz. Mountain Hardware Phantom 32 degree bag until Sonora Pass....Then
> > 1#1oz. Phantom 45 degree to Crater lake
> > 6oz. Equinox Bivy Cover instead of a ground cloth. Added a lot of extra
> > warmth.
> > I used all layers (3-1/2) of clothes at times in the bag.
> > When they were all used up, I used my platypus water bottles for
pillows.
> > I don't remember ever being cold.
> >
> > Shelter up to the Sierras and after Sonora pass:  Integral Design 5x7
tarp
> > (7oz.) with treking poles.
> > 8 MSR Needle stakes (Total 3ozs.)
> > Shelter in High Sierras:  Six Moon Designs Europa II (2 pounds!!!and BIG
> > for one!) No ground cloth.
> > The tent was for mosquitoes much more than any other reason. Plenty of
> room
> > for me and my gear with more room left over.
> >
> > I stayed warm, dry, fed and safe the entire hike even when there was ice
> on
> > the tent.
> >
> >
> > 2#8oz.-2#3oz Complete sleep system with a Tarp.
> >
> > 3#10oz. Complete sleep system in the Sierras with 32 degree bag and a
> Tent.
> >
> > I'm pretty proud of my present gear package.  9-12 pound base weight.
> > If you really want to see the Pro's, Check out the gear show at the
> > ADZPCTKO next April.
> > I'm still learning from what I saw and heard there.
> >
> > When I first heard about really cutting weight,...................I said
> no
> > way.
> > I think I'm the only one who's every resisted that change.
> >
> > Warner Springs Monty
> >
> >
> > Original Message]
> > > From: Aloha! Ann <AlohaAnn@adelphia.net>
> > > To: PCT Backcountry <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > > Date: 10/23/2004 10:56:38 PM
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Dress Me Up & Pack Me Out - Sleeping Bag/System
> > >
> > > Aloha All!
> > >
> > > In my effort to cut weight and do whatever is necessary to complete a
> PCT
> > thru-hike, I'm now reevaluating my current sleeping system.  Right now I
> > have three bags to choose from:  my Feathered Friends Raven (10*, down,
> > slightly overstuffed in the footbox, weight of 2# 10+ oz (I think)), a
> > Moonstone 3D Optima (10*, polarguard, long, weight 3# 4oz (used for
kayak
> > camping), and a North Face Blue Kazoo (20*, down, cut wider, weight of
3#,
> > 3 oz (I think)).
> > >
> > > I used the North Face on the '01 AT hike, the Feathered Friends on the
> > '03 AT hike and the Moonstone when kayak camping.  They're all good bags
> > but I tended to sleep colder in the North Face.  The Feathered Friends
> > allowed me to sleep downright toasty warm and naked on some nights where
> > everyone one else was wearing everything they had and still freezing! 
On
> > the other hand, it good be too hot at times.  The Moonstone really isn't
> > even a consideration but I thought I'd throw it out.  I also used a bag
> > liner but have since learned (from you smart folks) about using a second
> > set of silk longjohns instead.  Multi-purpose.  Love it!
> > >
> > > I'm hearing much about the Western Mountaineering Ultralite and
> > Versalite.  Thoughts on these or any others?
> > >
> > > As always, any and all comments/suggestions are appreciated.
> > >
> > > Aloha! Ann
> > >
> > >
> > > Aloha! Ann
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