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Subject: [pct-l] Bear Cans in Yosemite
From: scourtway at bpa-arch.com (Steve Courtway)
Date: Tue Mar 9 13:57:23 2004
References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1040309144535.28708D-100000@ariel.ucs.indiana.edu>
I think they maybe removing the bear boxes on the rae lakes loop ?  Plus,
under the requirement canisters be used on the rae lakes loop you'd have to
use one at woods creek even if the boxes were there, right ?

VERY clear.  yup.  haha.

s.c.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Willett" <chwillet@indiana.edu>
To: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans in Yosemite


> There is a bear box at woods creek crossing, so you don't need a bear can
> there.  There are bear lockers at Tuolumne Meadows.
>
> Suge
>
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Steve Courtway wrote:
>
> > I mean if you don't camp between somewhere south of vidette meadows and
> > north of wood's creek crossing.  Does the rae lakes loop include vidette
> > meadows and wood's creek crossing ?  YOU BET IT DOES !
> >
> > heh.
> >
> > s.c.
> >
> >
> > > it's only 11 miles from donahue to tuolomne meadows, so if you can
make 23
> > > miles from donahue past Tuolomne, or camp at Tulomne meadows, it seems
you
> > > won't legally need a bear can summer '04 if you don't camp btwx glenn
pass
> > > and Woods Creek crossing either.   Pretty clear hahaha.
> > >
> > > s.c.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Christopher Willett" <chwillet@indiana.edu>
> > > To: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
> > > Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans in Yosemite
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is what makes the process so frustrating for people.  Rules are
> > > > not uniform and seem to change depending on who you talk to.
> > > > I was never able to get the story straight and still don't know
> > > > it completely. Here, however, are some comments on the rules for
> > > > SEKI and Yosemite.  Pay attention to the fact that these places
> > > > are not Inyo or the Ansel Adams.
> > > >
> > > > Take a look at the SEKI website and peek around a bit until you come
> > > > across:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.nps.gov/seki/bear_bc.htm
> > > >
> > > > There you are presented with three ways to properly store your food:
> > > >
> > > > Quote:
> > > >
> > > > Plan ahead to store food in one of these three ways, listed in order
of
> > > > effectiveness:
> > > >
> > > >    1. Rent or buy National Park Service-tested bear-resistant
portable
> > > > food canisters (available at markets and most park visitor centers).
> > > > Canisters are by far the preferred method of food storage throughout
the
> > > > backcountry. They are required on the Rae Lakes Loop and in Dusy
Basin
> > > > (both in Kings Canyon National Park) from the Friday of Memorial Day
in
> > > > May through October 31.
> > > >
> > > >    2. When available, camp at an area with a metal storage box. Keep
in
> > > > mind that you must share these food boxes with other hikers; locks
are
> > not
> > > > permitted on them. Carry rope for hanging food in case the box is
full
> > or
> > > > you don't camp where you intended.
> > > >
> > > >    3. Carefully hang food by the counter-balance method. Only use
this
> > > > option if the others are not available, and practice it before your
> > trip!
> > > >
> > > > Un-quote
> > > >
> > > > Note option 3.  No restrictions or other qualifiers.  Note the last
line
> > > > in option 2.  Note that Rae Lakes is on the PCT.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure a search of the website further would produce documents
saying
> > > > something different.
> > > >
> > > > Alright, lets check out what Yosemite has to say.  At
> > > >
> > > > http://www.nps.gov/yose/wilderness/bfoodstorage.htm
> > > >
> > > > we see that
> > > >
> > > > Quote:
> > > >
> > > > Use of "bear canisters" is required in these locations:
> > > >
> > > >     * Little Yosemite Valley-Half Dome-Moraine Dome area
> > > >     * Rancheria Falls area
> > > >     * High Sierra Camps
> > > >     * Above 9,600 feet
> > > >     * Beginning in summer 2004, bear canisters are likely to become
> > > > required within approximately 15 miles of trailheads. If/when this
> > > > regulation takes effect, a map showing areas in the park where
canisters
> > > > are required will be added to this web page.
> > > >
> > > > Unquote. Note that you drop below the 9600 ft level rapidly after
coming
> > > > over Donahue Pass into the park.  When you leave Tuolumne, you break
the
> > > > 9600 ft level a few times.  So, to be completely legal, you'd have
to
> > > > avoid camping in these areas. Note that the PCT goes by at least one
> > > > of the High Sierra Camps right after leaving Tuolumne.
> > > >
> > > > The document continues with:
> > > >
> > > > Quote:
> > > >
> > > > Although the counter-balance method of food storage is permitted in
some
> > > > areas of the park, it is strongly discouraged due to its lack of
> > > > effectiveness and the damage that is caused to trees by persistant
> > bears.
> > > > If you choose to store your food using this technique, consider it
only
> > a
> > > > delaying tactic. Be prepared to actively defend your food and
repeatedly
> > > > scare bears out of your camp through the night. Without this
negative
> > > > reinforcement, bears will figure out a way to get your
counter-balanced
> > > > food - some bears will go so far as to literally chew the branch off
the
> > > > tree to get at food bags. Help Keep Yosemite's Bears Wild - Use a
> > > > Bear-Resistant Canister!
> > > >
> > > > Each year, bears outinely obtain properly hung food!
> > > >
> > > > Unquote.
> > > >
> > > > So, the official park websites for both places discourage the use of
> > > > hanging food, but do not declare it to be illegal except in certain
> > > > circumstances noted above.  Of course, I'm sure someone will find
> > > > other documents contradicting these ones.
> > > >
> > > > Suge
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Steve Courtway wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > just as it's illegal to be riding bicycles on the Pacific Crest
Trail,
> > > it is
> > > > > also illegal to hike in Yosemite National Park and Kings Canyon
> > National
> > > > > Park without properly storing your food.  Hanging and stealth
camping
> > > don't
> > > > > count.  heh.
> > > > >
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