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[pct-l] Re: ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
- Subject: [pct-l] Re: ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
- From: aandg at telusplanet.net (Alistair & Gail Des Moulins)
- Date: Mon Mar 1 11:08:43 2004
- References: <20040227181601.39A5C1D001@edina.hack.net>
Sorry I'repost this with a subject!
Hi Dep
We only encountered ticks in one area that was on the climb after leaving
Aqua Dulce when I had 7 on me and my wife Gail had 8. That was May 13th.
Last year, the first time I found the mosquitoes a nuisance was at Devils
Postpile on 16th June. I first used my Repel 200 just after Glen Aulin on
June 20th, the day after leaving Tuolomne Meadows. We carried bug hats but
only used them twice - 30th June by Miller Creek (mile 1117) and then the
night of 13th July at Twin Lakes in Lassen Park (mile 1355) where the bugs
were really bothersome even in the morning when it was only 39 degrees F. We
used the stuff on some other occasions up until Cascade Locks (27 August).
Then we got rid of it.
We found the ants were often more of a nuisance especially if some got in
your boots while you had them off at a break then decided they did not like
your feet squashing them to the sides of the boots as you started hiking
again!
Alistair
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:32:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: scott deputy <oz4130@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
> To: dude <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20040226213207.38068.qmail@web60508.mail.yahoo.com>
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> I know some are deet free but I am still using the stuff.
> My question:
>
> When or where(assuming a typical thru hike pace) on the trail do bugs of
this kind begin to show themselves, I would like to leave out the deet and
no seeum netting until they are necessary.
>
> Any advice would be apprecieated
>
> thanks
> dep
>
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> 1. INTRO and QUESTION RE: "EARLY ENTRY INTO THE SIERRA"
> (larry tyler)
> 2. INTRO and QUESTION RE: "EARLY ENTRY INTO THE SIERRA"
> (larry tyler)
> 3. Re: 12 pounder challenge - food per day (RBALCORN@cs.com)
> 4. Re: INTRO and QUESTION RE: "EARLY ENTRY INTO THE SIERRA"
> (Tangent)
> 5. Re: INTRO and QUESTION RE: "EARLY ENTRY INTO THE SIERRA"
> (Christopher Willett)
> 6. fishing ,,,,! (Norma)
> 7. Re: PCT-L back online (Bighummel@aol.com)
> 8. PCT-L back online (James Payne)
> 9. Re: PCT-L back online (Jim Keener)
> 10. Adventures in Igloo building...a trip report (Paul Magnanti)
> 11. Scissors Crossing to Warner Springs February 22nd to 24th.
> (Dana Law)
> 12. ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs (scott deputy)
> 13. Cooking with Gas (Paul Longton)
> 14. NB 800s? (Jonathan Cobb)
> 15. Re: ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs (Marshall Karon)
> 16. Re: ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs (Marshall Karon)
> 17. Re: PCT-L back online (Ryan Brooks)
> 18. Fishing in the Sierras and beyond (Tom Simon)
> 19. Re: Fishing in the Sierras and beyond is quick and easy and
> tasty (Steve Courtway)
> 20. PCT KICKOFF (JAMES)
> 21. RE: ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
> (cmkudija@earthlink.net)
> 22. Re: NB 800s? (dude)
> 23. RE: ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs (Brick Robbins)
> 24. RE: ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs (Tangent)
> 25. Hyatt Lake Resort & Fish Lake Resort - Maildrops (Datto)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:48:08 -0500
> From: "larry tyler" <ltylerljt@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] INTRO and QUESTION RE: "EARLY ENTRY INTO THE SIERRA"
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> My name is Larry Tyler. I am 54 years old. My wife Sandy(44 y/o) and I
are
> in the process of planning our attempt to thru hike the PCT this April.
We
> are both Michigan natives. Since I retired in August of 2002 we have a
> nomadic lifestyle. Sandy continues to work part time as a travelling
> medical ultrasonographer, leaving us plenty of time for backpacking and
> steelhead fishing. Currently we are in Virginia until the end of
February.
> This has given us the opportunity to train on the ice and snow on the AT
in
> Shenandoah National Park.
>
> My first backpacking trip in 1979 was a 10 day cross country trek in
Denali
> NP. I fell in love with the Alaskan wilderness and the following summer
> went back for a 12 day trip in the Brooks range. I have not been back to
> Alaska but during the last 7 summers Sandy and I have hiked throughout the
> western U.S. It is difficult to choose a favorite area but a few that
stick
> out are the Sierra, the Cascades and the Sonoran desert.
>
> I first heard about the PCT in the early 80's but work and family
> responsibilities precluded any serious thoughts about a thru hike.
However
> the idea of an 'epic journey' kept rumbling around my head.
> We now have the time and resources to begin that journey. We are planning
> on leaving Campo the day before the kickoff party. We will hike at our
> normal pace and if it is a normal to low snow year enter the Sierra from
> Kennedy Meadows whenever we arrive (estimate June 1). This is where we
> would like some help from the veterans of PCT travel.
>
> We have ice axes (Grivel air tech) and training and practice in self
arrest.
> We have Stubai ultralight 10 point aluminum crampons. Are these
adequate
> for an early entry into the Sierra? Is there any additional benefit to 12
> point crampons or steel crampons? Neither Sandy or I have the technical
> skills for vertical ice climbing. We do not plan on taking climbing
> harnesses or ice tools etc.
>
> In our winter training on the AT, Sandy has become convinced of the value
of
> snowshoes. She has a pair of Atlas with sort of a mini crampon ice
gripping
> device on the bottom. Our question is in regards to an early entry into
the
> Sierra; are snowshoes a necessity? or are snowshoes a convenience which
> would make the trip easier, more enjoyable ie. less postholing? We tend
to
> travel llightweight: base pack weight 12-13 lbs. (during summer trips) If
> snowshoes are more of a convenience, consider the additional weight (3
lbs.)
> vs. expected benefits.
>
> Finally, could someone estimate what the percentage of normal travel would
> be possible through the snow. When we have hiked in the Sierra in
July-Sept
> on a full fay of hiking we are able to do 25 miles. With an early entry
> would 16-20 miles/day be reasonable or would this be optimistic? This
info
> would be helpful in figuring our food requirements from KM to VVR.
>
> Thanks to all
>
> Larry Tyler
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:48:06 -0500
> From: "larry tyler" <ltylerljt@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] INTRO and QUESTION RE: "EARLY ENTRY INTO THE SIERRA"
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> My name is Larry Tyler. I am 54 years old. My wife Sandy(44 y/o) and I
are
> in the process of planning our attempt to thru hike the PCT this April.
We
> are both Michigan natives. Since I retired in August of 2002 we have a
> nomadic lifestyle. Sandy continues to work part time as a travelling
> medical ultrasonographer, leaving us plenty of time for backpacking and
> steelhead fishing. Currently we are in Virginia until the end of
February.
> This has given us the opportunity to train on the ice and snow on the AT
in
> Shenandoah National Park.
>
> My first backpacking trip in 1979 was a 10 day cross country trek in
Denali
> NP. I fell in love with the Alaskan wilderness and the following summer
> went back for a 12 day trip in the Brooks range. I have not been back to
> Alaska but during the last 7 summers Sandy and I have hiked throughout the
> western U.S. It is difficult to choose a favorite area but a few that
stick
> out are the Sierra, the Cascades and the Sonoran desert.
>
> I first heard about the PCT in the early 80's but work and family
> responsibilities precluded any serious thoughts about a thru hike.
However
> the idea of an 'epic journey' kept rumbling around my head.
> We now have the time and resources to begin that journey. We are planning
> on leaving Campo the day before the kickoff party. We will hike at our
> normal pace and if it is a normal to low snow year enter the Sierra from
> Kennedy Meadows whenever we arrive (estimate June 1). This is where we
> would like some help from the veterans of PCT travel.
>
> We have ice axes (Grivel air tech) and training and practice in self
arrest.
> We have Stubai ultralight 10 point aluminum crampons. Are these
adequate
> for an early entry into the Sierra? Is there any additional benefit to 12
> point crampons or steel crampons? Neither Sandy or I have the technical
> skills for vertical ice climbing. We do not plan on taking climbing
> harnesses or ice tools etc.
>
> In our winter training on the AT, Sandy has become convinced of the value
of
> snowshoes. She has a pair of Atlas with sort of a mini crampon ice
gripping
> device on the bottom. Our question is in regards to an early entry into
the
> Sierra; are snowshoes a necessity? or are snowshoes a convenience which
> would make the trip easier, more enjoyable ie. less postholing? We tend
to
> travel llightweight: base pack weight 12-13 lbs. (during summer trips) If
> snowshoes are more of a convenience, consider the additional weight (3
lbs.)
> vs. expected benefits.
>
> Finally, could someone estimate what the percentage of normal travel would
> be possible through the snow. When we have hiked in the Sierra in
July-Sept
> on a full fay of hiking we are able to do 25 miles. With an early entry
> would 16-20 miles/day be reasonable or would this be optimistic? This
info
> would be helpful in figuring our food requirements from KM to VVR.
>
> Thanks to all
>
> Larry Tyler
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:54:00 EST
> From: RBALCORN@cs.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 12 pounder challenge - food per day
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> My food works out to a pound per person per day for up to a 2 week trip
and I
> haven't noticed any loss of energy. That's about 1600 calories per day,
and
> for a longer trip I would have to make up that calorie deficit. Food is
freeze
> dried dinners, jerky, dried fruit, oatmeal, etc. I use a bear container so
> restricts my food volume. Don't think I could load many more calories per
day
> into it. When I did the John Muir, I used same diet, but did have a
resupply at
> Red's Meadow and Vermillion Resort, so got a calorie load there.
>
> Ralph Alcorn
> www.backpack45.com
> Shepherd Canyon Books
> Publisher of We're in the Mountains, Not Over the Hill:
> Tales and Tips From Seasoned Women Backpackers
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:21:28 -0700
> From: Tangent <tangent@meinfelder.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] INTRO and QUESTION RE: "EARLY ENTRY INTO THE
> SIERRA"
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040226115507.02de3e68@mail.meinfelder.com>
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>
> At 01:48 PM 2/26/2004 -0500, larry tyler wrote:
> >We have ice axes (Grivel air tech) and training and practice in self
> >arrest. We have Stubai ultralight 10 point aluminum crampons. Are these
> >adequate for an early entry into the Sierra? Is there any additional
> >benefit to 12 point crampons or steel crampons? Neither Sandy or I have
> >the technical skills for vertical ice climbing. We do not plan on taking
> >climbing harnesses or ice tools etc.
>
> In 2002, I went with just an ice axe and entered the High Sierra in the
> first week of June. This year I'll be adding crampons and expect I'll do
> fine. Unless you get very creative, there should be no vertical ice
> climbing on your PCT hike.
>
> >In our winter training on the AT, Sandy has become convinced of the value
> >of snowshoes. She has a pair of Atlas with sort of a mini crampon ice
> >gripping device on the bottom. Our question is in regards to an early
> >entry into the Sierra; are snowshoes a necessity?
>
> By June the snow will be iced over from repeated thawing and re-freezing.
I
> don't think snowshoes would be much help in this icy, sun-cupped snow.
> Post-holing happens in the afternoon as the sun warms the snow, but I
> didn't find it too tedious when I went through. Crampons, however, could
be
> very useful. Few take them, though. Still, I want to enter the Sierra
> around the same time as yourself and feel more comfortable with them.
>
> You could see snow earlier, but I'm hoping to not see any before the
Sierra.
>
> >Finally, could someone estimate what the percentage of normal travel
would
> >be possible through the snow. When we have hiked in the Sierra in
> >July-Sept on a full fay of hiking we are able to do 25 miles. With an
> >early entry would 16-20 miles/day be reasonable or would this be
> >optimistic? This info would be helpful in figuring our food requirements
> >from KM to VVR.
>
> I don't think it's so significant you need to factor in extra food for the
> snow. Even in early June, assuming a normal snow year, most of the snow
> should be on the northern slopes of the passes. There are many re-supply
> options in the High Sierra, too. Many hikers went out to Lone Pine,
Bishop,
> Independence and Mammoth Lakes for extra food when they were not planning
> to do so.
>
> A 20 mile day in the southern part of the Sierra Nevada is a challenging
> day, snow or not. It's not unrealistic, just challenging. At least I find
> it so. You might wish to consider re-supplying at Independence to cut down
> on food weight. The hike over Kearsarge Pass to Onion Valley is scenic and
> there always seems to be a friendly person at Onion Valley willing to take
> a hiker to Independence. Hitching to Lone Pine from Independence for the
> market and Pizza is not so bad, either.
>
> Tangent
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:23:57 -0500 (EST)
> From: Christopher Willett <chwillet@indiana.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] INTRO and QUESTION RE: "EARLY ENTRY INTO THE
> SIERRA"
> To: larry tyler <ltylerljt@hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Right now the Sierra, according to the snotel data, is at or above average
> in snow. What happens in the spring is anyone's guess. Last year it was
> a below average year until the late spring, when several storm brought the
> snow up to average. I left Kennedy Meadows on June 10 and crossed
> Forrester pass on June 14th (where the snow starts) after a walk up of
> Whitney. Getting through wasn't a super big deal, but I was glad to have
> an axe with me. Snowshoes or crampons would not have helped all that much.
> The front runners (those who went in June 1 or earlier) had a more
> difficult time and the very first needed snowshoes.
>
> In terms of mileage. If you are going to walk up Whitney, figure on
> 3 days from Kennedy Meadows to Crabtree or Guitar. It is 60 or 64 miles,
> which you won't feel like doing in 2 days. You probably want to go up
> Whitney in the early AM, and then come down, rest, and possibly hike on.
> I came down, slept, and then hiked to Tyndall Creek, where there is a bear
> box. Then, get over Forrester and Glen passes the next and down to
> Woods Crossing(?) where there is a bear box. Next day, over Pinchot and
> Mather and down to Upper Palisades Lake (*wow*). Next day, get up and
> over Muir Pass. Then, over Selden pass, including the easy ford of
> Evolution and the hard ford of Bear Creek. Next day, easy walk to
> Lake Edison and the boat to VVR (don't be daft and walk it). This worked
> out fairly well for me, and most of the days after Whitney were in the
> low 20s, though some were in the upper 20s. Some days were bastard
> hard, others pretty cush. Note that after I cleared Yosemite, I cruised
> along at 30+ a day, so unless you are really committed, the Sierra takes
> time. A lot of that time is from getting lost, so if you are an
> exceptional map reader with a little ESP, you might get through faster.
> A low snow year would help, a higher one will slow you. Take 10 days
> of food plus one for Whitney to be sure.
>
> Suge`
>
>
> ----------------------
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> Indiana University
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:03:22 -0800
> From: "Norma" <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] fishing ,,,,!
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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>
> Hey Yakel: that story is very hard to believe, these fish where here way
a long time before and will be there a lot longer when we are all gone,that
reminds me of a little river in John Day Ore,my brother keeps telling me
that they are no fish here,we were doing the Gold thing then,heck,, the next
day I found a fish{tout} in the sloosh box in a small creek the next day
,Small,about the size of a book of matches,the next day I took my pole along
and bingo,I had 3 good cold pan size on that John Day river where they are
not sapposed to be there,,,,,! Bulltaco,,,
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:30:20 EST
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-L back online
> To: ryan@hack.net, pct-l@edina.hack.net
> Message-ID: <96.470e9e5.2d6fb15c@aol.com>
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>
> It cannot be repeated often enough, THANK YOU, RYAN, for all that you do
to
> maintain this list for the sake and information desemination to all of
those
> connected in one way or another to the PCT and the other great trails in
the
> U.S.A.
>
> Here! Here!
>
> Greg
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:07:53 -0500
> From: "James Payne" <JPayne@standardsteel.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT-L back online
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <s03db77f.095@bur05.standardsteel.com>
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>
> > And on the new server.
> >
> > -Ryan
>
> And it seems to be FASTER, too! Thanks, Ryan. As "Ceanothus" said,
> yes, you ARE appreciated... even though I'm sure you don't hear that
> often enough (you only hear what's wrong most times), but that's what
> today's society has become, unfortunately. Again, THANK YOU! Your
> efforts are greatly appreciated in maintaining the pct-l!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:46:31 -0800
> From: Jim Keener <jkeener@pct04.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-L back online
> To: James Payne <JPayne@standardsteel.com>,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BC639B27.29E3%jkeener@pct04.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Ryan,
>
> Will you be at ADZ?
>
> Peace,
> Jim
>
> http://pct04.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:59:56 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Adventures in Igloo building...a trip report
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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>
> Ok..so it is in the Rockies, but I figure some people
> on this list may be interested in some winter
> backpacking that is a little of the beaten path. :-)
>
> As mentioned Monday, I spent my weekend winter
> backpacking. Winter backpacking is a bit different
> than the three season backpacking most of us do.
>
> The gear is bulkier, heavier and there is more of it.
> Daylight is shorter. It is colder.
>
> But, the views are beautiful. Crisp white snow, jagged
> peaks piercing the sky. The cold is invigorating,
> making everything seem so much vivid.
>
> To quote the late, great comic strip Calvin and
> Hobbes:
>
> "The world looks brand-new," said Hobbes.
> "A New Year ... a fresh clean start," said Calvin.
> "It's like having a big white sheet of paper to draw
> on," said Hobbes.
> "A day full of possibilities," said Calvin.
> "It's a magical world, Hobbes old buddy ... let's go
> exploring."
>
> An exploring the winter landscape I did.
>
> Loaded up my large winter pack, strapped on two
> sleeping pads, packed in my -20F bag, placed on the
> outside a snow shovel and a carpenter's saw, packed in
> fleece pants, a down jacket and exp. wt. polypro and
> made sure my Whisperlite was working the night before.
> Loaded up some fattening food and made sure I had an
> empty Gatorade bottle for night time use.
>
> The alarm went off at 6AM on a Saturday. Crawled out
> of bed, slipped into my long underwear and did the
> last minute prep work that always seems to happen with
> winter trips. Made it to the RSVP point where I loaded
> up with my caffeine fix and met the three other people
> who wished to build an igloo in winter.
>
> The cast of experienced characters included Rom (who
> has spent many, many trips in the back country for
> winter), Mark (haven't seem him since his wedding
> reception on New Year's Eve...he is a Colorado
> Mountain Club instructor for mountaineering!), Debbie
> (Buttercup of AT '03!...new to Boulder and quite happy
> to meet some like minded people when it comes to the
> outdoors) and myself. All in all, felt quite
> comfortable with the ability of everyone on this trip.
>
> Drove up to Braniard Lake trail head, elev 10k feet.
> This trail head is the playground for many people in
> Boulder...esp during winter! Even at this early in the
> morning, the winter trail head was filling up. No
> matter..as with many popular back country areas, the
> further you go in, the less populated the trail.
>
> We all threw on our heavy winter packs and made our
> way up the "trail" (a road that is closed during the
> winter) on snowshoes or tele skis. The weather was
> partly cloudy, but oh so nice. Three miles later, we
> reached a turn off and walked a short way into the
> woods and went to the Braniard Lake cabin. This CMC
> run cabin is mainly for day use. Had a wood stove, hot
> drinks and tables to sit in for winter travelers. Even
> has propane stoves. Small, cozy, no frills. The
> princely sum of $1 for day use that includes hot
> drinks. If you are lucky enough to get an invite for
> staying over night, it is $15/ night for non-CMC
> members ($8 for CMC members). The *AMC* could learn
> something here....
>
> Anyway, it was nice and cozy as mentioned. Had a large
> lunch, sat by the wood stove with some mocha, and the
> four of us did not want to move!
>
> But we did. Strapped on our packs and made our way up
> to Mitchell Lake where the trail was unbroken. We
> swapped off breaking trail (hard work, esp. with
> winter packs) and made our way to Mitchell Lake.
>
> This lake is at about 11,000 feet. During the summer,
> it is an easy, gentle, one-mile stroll with beautiful
> scenery. Consequently, it is VERY busy from all the
> people who want to see an easy, gentle, one mile
> stroll with beautiful scenery. During the winter? Just
> four of us breaking trail with heavy packs.
>
> The view from the frozen lake was beautiful. The
> Divide was seen with clouds hanging over them. Fresh
> snow every where. Fresh powder called out to Mark and
> Rom on their tele skis.... But we had a shelter to
> make!
>
> On this trip, we were going to make an igloo. A good
> snow cave is fairly easy to make. Find a drift, dig an
> entrance way, dig up a little bit for a sleeping
> platform. Hollow out. 1-2 hrs later you have a shelter
> that is warm and cozy.
>
> An igloo is considerably more work as we found out.
>
> First, we had to find a snow drift to dig our
> "sub-basement". Then we had to find another drift of
> hard snow for our "quarry".
>
> Rom and Mark started to dig into one drift, Debbie and
> I made our snow blocks.
>
> The "sub-basement" was about 2-3 feet deep. We then
> placed our blocks up about 3-4 feet in a spiral. Five
> hours later (!) the basic structure of the igloo was
> intact. Must say it looked quite nice. One hour later,
> we did our finish work: chinked the gaps with snow,
> widened our entrance way a bit, finished the cold trap
> (sunken entrance way below the sleeping platform). As
> an igloo that sleeps 2-3 people takes approx 4-5 hrs,
> seems the time frame was correct for an igloo that
> slept four people.
>
> We placed our packs inside. Poked our saws into the
> igloo for candle platforms and started up my
> Whisperlite and melted snow for water. We were HUNGRY
> and wanted some hot drinks. Poked a hole in the igloo
> near the stove for ventilation. After eating much
> food and making some hot drinks, we rolled out our
> pads and sleeping bags. Changed into dry long
> underwear. Plugged the entrance way with our packs.
> Lit some more candles and felt snug and warm. It was
> amazing how warm the igloo became with four people
> inside. Unzipped my bag quite a bit, and slept into
> the night.
>
> Woke up, lounged around quite a bit (did I mention it
> was cozy and warm in the igloo?), and finally made our
> way for some back country exploring. Made our way
> back to the car and home. Put out my ground tarp and
> sleeping bag to dry a bit (it is also very humid in an
> igloo or snow cave!) and took a hot shower and
> promptly feel into a deep sleep. :-)
>
> Igloo making was an adventure to say the least. Hard
> work (all that digging and moving of heavy snow
> blocks!), time consuming..but something glad to have
> done. Winter is beautiful...but next time I will build
> a snow cave. Easier to make. :D
>
> Actually, NEXT weekend, I am lucky enough to spend it
> in the Braniard Lake hut. Convinced Beth that a hut
> stay will be quite nice. Wood stove, yummy food, comfy
> couches and a full moon on a Winter's night. For some
> reason a woman raised in South Carolina and Florida,
> who has never backpacked, did not find the idea of
> hauling heavy winter equipment and spending the night
> in negative temperatures while being surrounded by
> snow too appealing. :-)
>
> Pics avail at:
> http://gallery.backcountry.net/cowint04?&page=8
>
>
>
> =====
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a
portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dana Law <mindreader@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Scissors Crossing to Warner Springs February 22nd to
> 24th.
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
>
> Our party included Bill Redman, Ray Ellis (AT 98) and me, Dana Law. The
weather was terrible but we took one step at a time. It wasn't raining when
we got to Scissors Crossing. We spent the night to get an early start. We
were off by 7:20AM. Slow walk up Grapevine Mountain with heavy packs. There
are some pretty cacti and cool Juniper trees on the way up. We found a rain
induced rockslide about a mile along with minor damage to the trail. Vulcan
Mountain to the west was snow capped with a heavy cloud cover. A light
shower kept us out of our rain gear. I had packed 2 ? gallons of water in
preparation for the "dry" San Felipe Hills and probably in the first time in
years it was unnecessary. Ran into Jeremiah from Tennessee, "doing the
bottom half" who had passed through snow in the Laguna's. "I filled up my
cookware with rain overnight on Granite Mountain". We finally needed our
raingear late in the afternoon and then camped at 4100 feet overlooking the
San Felipe valley i
> n a big
> wind. It was a poor camp on but we were spent. Military helicopters
passed north through the valley at 2000 feet, maybe lower. It was 37 degrees
overnight. Our party got off at about 7:15AM with a quick trip into the
clouds and through the "Gap" that we didn't see but felt as the trail
descended. This is the burn area and there isn't much left. We made an
early arrival into Barrel Springs about 10:30AM. There has been quite a bit
of trail work on the last mile or two of the trail. The water trough is full
and running. We crossed S-22 after an early lunch and headed across the
beautiful meadows. Saw cow pies but no cows. The trail is distinct here and
picturesque. It was cold and blustery but no rain today. San Ysidro creek
is running but easy to cross. Walked to Canada Verde. The creek here is
running well and is lined with beautiful oaks. We ended our hike at the
Warner Springs Fire Station which has a patio, chairs, water and log book
just for PCT hikers! The las
> t eight
> miles of this trip was a pleasure after the dreaded "Hills." We can't
wait to head to Highway 74.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dana Law
>
> Amazing Dana Magic Shows
>
> 619-444-2002
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:32:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: scott deputy <oz4130@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
> To: dude <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20040226213207.38068.qmail@web60508.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I know some are deet free but I am still using the stuff.
> My question:
>
> When or where(assuming a typical thru hike pace) on the trail do bugs of
this kind begin to show themselves, I would like to leave out the deet and
no seeum netting until they are necessary.
>
> Any advice would be apprecieated
>
> thanks
> dep
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:34:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Longton <plongton@pacbell.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Cooking with Gas
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: masonranger1@juno.com
> Message-ID: <20040226213402.35551.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> For anyone who would be interested in having the compressed Isobutane gas
(MSR's Pocket Rocket and Snow Peak's GigaPower for example) mailed in a
resupply box - it is possible via US Mail. I spoke with Peggy Borne at Snow
Peak (503) 697-3330 and she faxed me several pages from the Post Office
Publication 52, a compilation of regulations entitled, "Hazardous,
Restricted and Perishable Mail". She said she uses the pages (listed below)
to mail out fuel at her local PO. She mailed fuel to Ken and Marcia Powers
for their thru-hike of the PCT (and perhaps their other thru-hikes of the AT
and CDT as well - I don't know). Ken (thank you Ken) had posted a somewhat
cryptic identification number that should have allowed the mailing but I
couldn't convince my local Postal clerks that the series of numbers and
letters permits the mailing of the gas. To find the PO's regulations that
permit the mailing of gas go online to the USPO website and do a search for
Publication 52.
>
> The pages worth downloading (they are in an Acrobat format) are as
follows:
> P. 21 - Class 2 - Gases, Division 2.1 Flammable Gases (permitted by
surface transportation)
> P. 27 - 342 Gases (Hazard Class 2) 342.1 Definition a) - the entire
paragraph
> P. 28 - 342.22 Mailable Gases, c) Propane - the entire paragraph
> P. 30 - 342.3 Packaging, c) Flammable Gases - the entire paragraph
> P. 184 - A page showing the above information in a matrix. The line to
highlight is that of "Petroleum Gases, Liquefied or Liquified Petroleum
Gases".
>
> In a nutshell what is permitted is the mailing of one original
manufacturer's container of 1-liter or less. It must be boxed by itself
inside a second box. It can only be sent via domestic ground transportation
(that means only within the 48 states). Written on the box must the letters
ORM-D (Other Regulated Material - Domestic) and "Ground Transportation
Only". This must be written in large (1-1/2" tall), bold (black felt tip)
letters.
>
> When I showed the above pages to my local PO clerks there was agreement
that these regulations do indeed allow the mailing of the gas.
>
>
> Peggy, at Snow Peak, said that they (Snow Peak) would mail the fuel if
given the addresses, dates and an open credit card. The cost would be the
cost of the fuel plus $6 shipping and handling.
>
> Hope this helps anyone thinking of "Cooking with Gas". Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:48:36 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jonathan Cobb <photocobb@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] NB 800s?
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Ok guys... why NB 800s to backpack in over NB's other styles? When I
bought some NB to train in, many of their styles hurt my feet till I tried
the 470. I don't remember if I tried anything from the 800 series. The 470
have been great, but are they missing something significant from the 800s?
Also, anyone have an opinion on Vasque's Vapor Trail running shoes?
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:11:06 -0800
> From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
> To: "scott deputy" <oz4130@yahoo.com>, "dude"
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000601c3fcb5$75e18560$6401a8c0@YOUR357898FF1F>
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>
> The skeeters seem to follow snow melt. Anywhere from Kennedy Meadows north
> you will definitely find them someplace - maybe terrible and maybe not. In
> 2000, our worst was between Tuolumne Meadows and Sonora Pass. Some before.
> Only a few in Oregon. But, we have been in Oregon and Washington during
the
> same period in other years and it was really bad.
>
> Didn't have any run ins with bugs other than mosquitoes. Maybe a couple of
> horse flies.
>
> I would carry Deet from Kennedy Meadows. If you find there are no bugs,
> throw the stuff away.
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
> m.karon@comcast.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "scott deputy" <oz4130@yahoo.com>
> To: "dude" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:32 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
>
>
> > I know some are deet free but I am still using the stuff.
> > My question:
> >
> > When or where(assuming a typical thru hike pace) on the trail do bugs
of
> this kind begin to show themselves, I would like to leave out the deet and
> no seeum netting until they are necessary.
> >
> > Any advice would be apprecieated
> >
> > thanks
> > dep
> >
> >
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:13:12 -0800
> From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
> To: "scott deputy" <oz4130@yahoo.com>, "dude"
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001901c3fcb5$b9c2d720$6401a8c0@YOUR357898FF1F>
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>
> The skeeters seem to follow snow melt. Anywhere from Kennedy Meadows north
> you will definitely find them someplace - maybe terrible and maybe not. In
> 2000, our worst was between Tuolumne Meadows and Sonora Pass. Some before.
> Only a few in Oregon. But, we have been in Oregon and Washington during
the
> same period in other years and it was really bad.
>
> Didn't have any run ins with bugs other than mosquitoes. Maybe a couple of
> horse flies.
>
> I would carry Deet from Kennedy Meadows. If you find there are no bugs,
> throw the stuff away.
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
> m.karon@comcast.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "scott deputy" <oz4130@yahoo.com>
> To: "dude" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:32 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
>
>
> > I know some are deet free but I am still using the stuff.
> > My question:
> >
> > When or where(assuming a typical thru hike pace) on the trail do bugs
of
> this kind begin to show themselves, I would like to leave out the deet and
> no seeum netting until they are necessary.
> >
> > Any advice would be apprecieated
> >
> > thanks
> > dep
> >
> >
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:09:00 -0600
> From: Ryan Brooks <ryan@hack.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-L back online
> To: Jim Keener <jkeener@pct04.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net, James Payne
> <JPayne@standardsteel.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> That would be nice, but no- I'm travelling a lot this year already (too
> much money!)
>
> -Ryan
>
>
> Jim Keener wrote:
>
> >Ryan,
> >
> >Will you be at ADZ?
> >
> >Peace,
> >Jim
> >
> >http://pct04.com
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:16:19 -0500
> From: "Tom Simon" <tomsimon@cogeco.ca>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fishing in the Sierras and beyond
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <004001c3fcbe$8a91e9b0$b600a8c0@gyrotechtj6v2f>
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>
> Hi Eric Yakel. I've spent five of my past seven summers wandering the
> Sierras, and eventually have become an efficient fisher person. Of course,
> being from Canada, I spent big bucks for a license to fish each year. Here
> are a few comments.
> First of all, a serious through hiker cannot fish very often, if at all.
> This is all because of timing. The only easy fishing is in the morning
> before the wind picks up. Will you carry those fish all day or have Sushi
> for breakfast? I have pulled fish out of First Recess Lake on every cast
at
> dawn, only to watch a handful of hikers catch nothing from the same spot
30
> minutes later, after the wind picked up.
> I have seen trout in most lakes along Steve Roper's High Route and along
the
> John Muir highway of a trail. So stocked or not, they're there.But you'll
> have no time or inclination to stop in the middle of the day at trout
filled
> lakes like Rae Lakes, when you should be putting on the miles.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:32:17 -0800
> From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fishing in the Sierras and beyond is quick and
> easy and tasty
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <005001c3fcc0$c5786cf0$6500a8c0@station101>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> it takes but a moment to cast in, catch, clean and eat. And there's
nothing
> like a fresh burst of fish energy in the morning, mid morning, late
> afternoon or early evening um hm. With some corn pasta.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Simon" <tomsimon@cogeco.ca>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:16 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Fishing in the Sierras and beyond
>
>
> > Hi Eric Yakel. I've spent five of my past seven summers wandering the
> > Sierras, and eventually have become an efficient fisher person. Of
course,
> > being from Canada, I spent big bucks for a license to fish each year.
Here
> > are a few comments.
> > First of all, a serious through hiker cannot fish very often*FISH ON
> !!!!!!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:34:06 -0800
> From: JAMES <jas8313@adelphia.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT KICKOFF
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20040227064658.BZJW12673.mta10.adelphia.net@sir-james>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> PCT Kickoff Weekend begins 8 weeks from tonite on Friday April 23.
>
> See you there
> James from Southern California
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:18:54 -0800
> From: <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
> To: "scott deputy" <oz4130@yahoo.com>, "dude"
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <IGEMKAANJGIIEFEHCJLNCEEDCDAA.cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ticks tend to show up early - as soon as the weather warms and the grasses
> grow long and hang over the trail. Ticks wait on the seedheads and drop
off
> on passing mammals, attracted (I think) by body heat. There's LOTS of
ticks
> in the SoCal sections of the PCT ('tho they'll not be a problem in the
> burned stretches). DEET repels ticks. Period. I've been amused by
> watching DEET-wary hikers pulling a dozen or so ticks from their socks &
> other unmentionable places (and I've had that experience) while my
> DEET-protected ankles remained tick-free. The question is a matter of
> weighing the risk of future DEET-induced illness (which I continue to read
> is unproven) and the more immediate risk of tick-borne disease and
> infection. The latter are much more certain if a tick burrows into your
> tender skin, imho.
>
> Although I'm not you, if I WERE you, I'd take a spray bottle of DEET
(Repel
> or similar) from the start of your hike and make sure my ankles and
pantlegs
> were sprayed when walking through brushy or grassy areas. There are some
> alternative Permethrin products that can be sprayed on or laundered into
> clothing that may be worth checking out. Backpacker Gear Test reviewed
> these as part of a general test of Sawyer repellents in the last year or
so.
> See
>
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Health%20%26%20Safety/Insect%20Repel
> lents/Sawyer%20Insect%20Repellents/ and decide for yourself.
>
> Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
> PCT partially '94
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of scott deputy
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:32 PM
> To: dude
> Subject: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
>
> I know some are deet free but I am still using the stuff.
> My question:
>
> When or where(assuming a typical thru hike pace) on the trail do bugs of
> this kind begin to show themselves, I would like to leave out the deet and
> no seeum netting until they are necessary.
>
> Any advice would be apprecieated
>
> thanks
> dep
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:46:23 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] NB 800s?
> To: photocobb@yahoo.com
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20040227164623.B956A864C4E@mail.interchange.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> The NB 800 series (which would include 804, 805, 806, 870, etc) just a
> very popular shoe. The percieved advantage over the 400 series is that
> the 800 series is designed as a "trail shoe". In theory, this is
> supposed to mean that it will work better on trail surfaces because of
> features such as:
> - more aggressive tread pattern
> - sturdier and stiffer sole material to prevent rocks poking through
> - reinforced hi-wear areas
> - sturdier overall construction
> - usually darker colors to hide dirt and mud
> - more water resistant fabric
> ...and so on.
>
> In practice, some people not only "get away with", but prefer regular
> running shoes for the trail. I am one of those people. I have worn
> Asics 2020's on the JMT twice and 400 miles of the PCT. My Asics have
> been with me to the summit of whitney twice, Mt Elbert (tallest in
> Colo) twice, and numerous trail runs. I just prefer them over most of
> the trail shoes I have tried.
>
> One interesting side note about the NB800 series is that the shoes is
> now so popular that it has out-sold the Air Jordan to become the all-
> time most popular shoe. I read this in Runner's World which indicated
> that the reason behind this popularity is because the shoes is
> comfortable, doesn't wear out fast, cheaper than alot of similar shoes,
> and looks good with jeans, all of which contribute to its popularity
> among college students who do not even run.
>
> peace,
> dude
>
>
>
>
> > Ok guys... why NB 800s to backpack in over NB's other styles? When I
> > bought some NB to train in, many of their styles hurt my feet till I
> > tried the 470. I don't remember if I tried anything from the 800
> > series. The 470 have been great, but are they missing something
> > significant from the 800s? Also, anyone have an opinion on Vasque's
> > Vapor Trail running shoes? Thanks, John
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:05:25 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040227085622.078d2bc0@fastpack.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 08:18 AM 2/27/04, cmkudija@earthlink.net wrote:
> > Ticks wait on the seedheads and drop off
> >on passing mammals, attracted (I think) by body heat.
>
> Actually they cling for hours to the ends of plants (grass, brush,
> bushes...) with their front legs extended.
>
> Those legs look like fish hooks. Any animals that brush by get hooked, and
> the tick goes with them. If it gets too hot during the day, they climb
back
> down the grass and wait in the cooler leaf litter, so you tend to get more
> ticks in the cooler parts of the day
>
> Here is a photo of a tick waiting, you can see the upper legs extended
> http://www.aldf.com/images/ongrassleaf.jpg
>
> Health officials collect ticks by brushing white sheets over foliage, and
> then picking off the ticks that are clinging to the sheet
> http://www.labodia.com/en/lyme/review_en/image_tick_collecting.jpg
>
> I hate the little buggers. I the Piutes I was removing about 20-30 each
> hour for a couple of days, though I never got bit.
>
>
> --
> Brick Robbins
>
> All that is gold does not glitter,
> not all those who wander, are lost....
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:46:55 -0700
> From: Tangent <tangent@meinfelder.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] ticks, skeeters and other itch producing bugs
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> At 09:05 AM 2/27/2004 -0800, Brick Robbins wrote:
> >Those legs look like fish hooks. Any animals that brush by get hooked,
and
> >the tick goes with them.
>
> I removed only 1 tick from myself for the entirety of my through hike. Is
> it possible wearing long pants helps to keep ticks from attaching?
>
> Tangent
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> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 9:48:47 -0800
> From: Datto <datto@charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hyatt Lake Resort & Fish Lake Resort - Maildrops
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> Anyone have experience sending maildrops to Hyatt Lake Resort (1745.1)
and/or Fish Lake Resort (1775.8)? Any past problems with these two places as
far as maildrops?
>
> I'd be sending from Duismuir to allow for enough delivery time (13-16
calendar days).
>
> Datto
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