[pct-l] Down compression

[cmkudija at earthlink.net (Christine Kudija)]

Why, Martha, what a surprise!  And here I thought you were a city girl!  But
can the geese carry their own food?  And do you have to worry about mountain
lions or other large predators?  Perhaps you put them in a bear canister at
night?  ;-)

TIC,

Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "judson" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
To: "Jeffrey Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>; <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Down compression


| I prefer to tend a flock of specially bred Norweigian geese as I backpack.
| They're a little squirrelly, and other backpackers complain about the
noise,
| but there's nothing like some fresh down when your bag starts feelin' a
| little thin.
|
| Judson
| Ashland, OR
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
| [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Olson
| Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:07 AM
| To: pct-l@backcountry.net
| Subject: Fw: [pct-l] Down compression
|
|
| In 1972, when 20, I washed my down bag in the bathtub, and ended up
soaking
| the down.  I did my best to get rid of water before putting it in the
dryer.
| Every baffle ripped out.
|
| Jeff
| Laramie, WY
|
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
| > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
| > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:53 AM
| > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Down compression
| >
| >
| > > I have heard that you really can only clean down with water, then dry
| > > in an industrial size dryer and throw in a few tennis balls to de-
| > > clump the down as it tumbles in the dryer.
| > >
| > > I have heard that if you dry-clean down, or use certain soaps, it
| > > will strip the oil from the down, which will ruin it.
| > >
| > > peace,
| > > dude
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > > How do you clean it? Marsanne
| > > >
| > > > -----Original Message-----
| > > > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
| > > > [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Ron
| > > > Moak Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:54 AM
| > > > To: 'JD Schaefer'; 'Kurt P. Herzog'; jjolson@uwyo.edu
| > > > Cc: 'PCT Mailing List'
| > > > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Down compression
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >>> I have a similar question.  I recently bought a Western
| > > >>> Mountaineering
| > > > Hilite and it came in a box less than 1/5 of the "stuff" bag size.
| > > >  R Jardine warns against this in his PCT book and I've seen
| > > > comments about it before.  The vendor has offered to replace the
| > > > bag in a larger delivery box explaining that increased volume
| > > > increases cost. <<
| > > >
| > > > I'm not sure I buy into the argument that down looses much loft
| > > > due to compression. While I'm sure it's true for synthetics, the
| > > > properties of down are considerably different. With down you can
| > > > easily restore the loft of an overly compressed sleeping bag by
| > > > putting it in a dyer, on no heat, with a few tennis balls.
| > > >
| > > > There maybe some effects of compression depending upon the quality
| > > > of the down, ie some grades of down have more feathers than other
| > > > grades, or on how clean the down is. As bags get use, oils and
| > > > dirt will get into the down and affect their qualities. However,
| > > > proper cleaning of the down bag should restore it to original
| > > > condition.  I'm always amazed at how fluffy my bag is after
| > > > returning from a thorough cleaning.
| > > >
| > > > -- Fallingwater
| > > >
| > > >
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