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We don't charge for packages (or anything else) at Pooh Corner.  However we
don't do forwarding if your package doesn't arrive before you do and we only
make one post office trip a day.  Please allow at least a week for Priority
Mail.  I know what the post office says, but, in the case of Truckee, they
lie.  Unclaimed packages are returned at the end of the season or, for
parcel post, put in the hiker box.

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>    1. Re: Muir Trail Ranch package fees (Dave)
>    2. triple crown (Dave)
>    3. Re: Pooh Corner Address Error on www.pcta.org (Dave)
>    4. Re: Renting a bear-container (David Duncan)
>    5. Re: Waters Stasher Group Expands (Bruce Harvey)
>    6. Re: Section Hiking  (Robert Richey)
>    7. hike Kennedy Mdw to Yosemite Valley (Irwin Reeves)
>    8. Re: Re: Section Hiking  (Vicki G. Hoyt)
>    9. Trail magic at Tuolomne Meadows in July (LivNLrn3R@aol.com)
>   10. THE FACTS~~ just the facts!! Re: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch
>       package fees (Richard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:49:30 -0600
> From: Dave <teamcourage@attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch package fees
> To: JohnDRandall@aol.com
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> hey I just don't use them. I  send to other places. the thing is even if
> they didn't do this for backpackers they still would have to send
> employees out to get packages because of there own and there employees
> packages. SO no mater what it isn't an extra trip. Hey I don't mind
> giving say 5 bucks has a tip for  service well done but any thing more
> is to much.
>
> JohnDRandall@aol.com wrote:
>
> >The post office for the Muir Trail Ranch is in the mountain community of
> >Lakeshore, which is about 25 miles down a narrow, twisting secondary
county road
> >from the road end at Florence Lake.   The packages are picked up by MTR
> >employees, ranchhands mostly, stacked into a jeep and hauled back to the
lake, where
> >they are either loaded into the lake's small ferry and transported to the
> >opposite site, then loaded onto horses or mules...or driven cross country
on a
> >poorly-defined jeep path up to the ranch, five miles on the eastern side
of the
> >lake.   At the ranch the packages are offloaded, moved to a storage shed
and
> >accounted for by the staff.
> >
> >My wife and I have stayed at the ranch twice, choosing to hike once and
to
> >ride a horse another time.   Whatever they charge, $18 or $25 or higher,
is a
> >service just like FedEx or UPS.   They aren't saving up for a trip to
Bali with
> >the money they charge for the service.  In fact, they lose money on it;
it's
> >a service to the backcountry community.   Dude, pay the money or mail
your
> >packages to Vermillion or hike out to Bishop.  But, please, stop whining.
> >
> >John Randall
> >Birmingham, AL
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:54:16 -0600
> From: Dave <teamcourage@attbi.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] triple crown
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <3ED22A98.6040207@attbi.com>
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>
> I have started a group for those that have hiked or want to hike the
> triple crown of hiking. the list should be in yahoos hiking directory
> tomorrow or the next day some times it take a few days for them to do
> that. If any one want to join let me know and I will sign you up here is
> the discretion of the group. Several of us that are triple crowners got
> sick of the american long distance hiking association west acting like
> the triple crown was there baby and you wasn't a triple crown unless
> they conferred it onto you. so we are taking the triple crown back to
> the hikers wear it belongs.
>  This list is for those that have hiked the Triple Crown of hiking or
> wants to A person that has done the triple crown   has walked the entire
> lengths of the Pacific Crest Trail, Continental Divide Trail and
> Appalachian Trail. We will talk about hints on how to hike the triple
> crown. We will West confer the Triple Crown designation to any hiker who
> reports s/he has walked the entire lengths of the Pacific Crest Trail,
> Continental Divide Trail and Appalachian Trail. Operating on the honor
> system, we give equal recognition to thru-hikers and section-hikers and
> assumes that those who apply for Triple Crown status have hiked the
> entire length of all of the three trails. Reasonable alternate routes or
> required road walks are considered viable substitutes for an official
> route, assuming one exists. we do not not consider issues such as
> sequence, direction, speed, duration, frequency or whether one carries a
> pack
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:56:17 -0600
> From: Dave <teamcourage@attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pooh Corner Address Error on www.pcta.org
> To: Bill Person <bill@billperson.org>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <3ED2A9A1.7080308@attbi.com>
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>
> do you charge us a few for having packages sent and held for us
>
> Bill Person wrote:
>
> >I discovered today that the PCTA web site lists an obsolete mailing
address
> >for Pooh Corner.  We changed our address two seasons ago.  Any mail
> >delivered to the old address will be refused by the mailing service and
> >processed according to USPS regulations.
> >
> >The correct mailing address for Pooh Corner is:
> >
> >Bill & Molly Person
> >PMB 154
> >11448 Deerfield Dr.
> >Truckee, CA 96161
> >
> >Please try to get the word out to anyone who may need to redirect
packages
> >to our correct address.
> >
> >Sorry for any problems.  I did not know until today that the PCTA web
site
> >contained our address.
> >
> >
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:28:02 -0700
> From: David Duncan <dduncan@oregonsbest.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Renting a bear-container
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <3ED2CD32.5040906@oregonsbest.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Stan:
>
> Check with the Inyo National Forest.  Last Fall we did the JMT and some
> trail friends returned their cannisters to the Inyo National Forest
> Office in either Lone Pine or Independence (where they had rented
> them--sorry, I can't remember which town).  You can also rent them from
> the Inyo National Forest Office in Mammoth Lakes.
>
> We rented ours in Yosemite Valley, but I think you can rent them at the
> wilderness office in Tuolumne Meadows.  Renting from Yosemite is a
> little cheaper than Inyo National Forest--$5.00 for two weeks per
cannister.
>
> Have a good trip.
>
> Dave Duncan
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:51:09 -0700
> From: "Bruce Harvey" <bharve@dslextreme.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Waters Stasher Group Expands
> To: <CharlieJones@aol.com>, <Bighummel@aol.com>, <anneri@gsvcs.com>,
> <merten6@cox.nett>, <Mrjenn@hotmail.com>, <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>,
> <whiteplume113@netscape.net>, <PAULSCPT@aol.com>, <jape@Nethere.com>,
> <CLanda@aol.com>, <HyknLdy@aol.com>, <jctomlinson@cox.net>,
> <hikerjaye@cox.net>, <jangles7@earthlink.net>,
> <Readmiller@readmiller.com>, <skipforsht@worldnet.att.net>,
> <PCTSection@yahoogroups.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <002a01c32331$b61f9a80$bcce9f42@oemcomputer>
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>
> Thanks, Charlie.  At the ADZ kickoff when I volunteered, I naively assumed
that by giving my home town  (La Cresencta, CA, you or others would possibly
have knowledge of who pass my name to for the section I live close to.
Since the kickoff; I've bought the Southren California volume of the PCT
guidebook and found that Ithe west end of section D is where I can
contribute.  If anyone can refer me to individuals who cach water in section
D, I'll appreciate the referral.
>
> Thanks again,  Bruce Harvey
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: CharlieJones@aol.com
>   To: Bighummel@aol.com ; anneri@gsvcs.com ; merten6@cox.nett ;
Mrjenn@hotmail.com ; AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net ; whiteplume113@netscape.net ;
PAULSCPT@aol.com ; jape@Nethere.com ; bharve@dslextreme.com ; CLanda@aol.com
; HyknLdy@aol.com ; jctomlinson@cox.net ; hikerjaye@cox.net ;
jangles7@earthlink.net ; Readmiller@readmiller.com ;
skipforsht@worldnet.att.net ; PCTSection@yahoogroups.com ;
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:57 PM
>   Subject: Waters Stasher Group Expands
>
>
>   Sorry, I clicked SEND before I was ready ...
>
>   We had several people who attended the 5th ADZ outing step forward and
volunteer to help establish and resupply water caches in Section A.
>
>   There may even be more that volunteered before ADZ. The point is, all of
their names are on the addressee list of this message. Add the ones that you
don't have and include them when you send any kind of "water cache
affiliated email" especially if you are looking for help.
>
>   Among the new additions are:
>
>   Paul S. -- Paulscpt@aol.com
>   Bruce Harvey -- bharve@dslextreme.com
>   Jeff Eckert -- jape@Nethere.com
>   Skip -- skipforsht@worldnet.att.net
>   Teresa Norris -- whiteplume113@netscape.net
>
>   Forgive me if I omitted anyone.
>
>   Charlie Jones From bill@billperson.org  Mon May 26 17:30:24 2003
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> I discovered today that the PCTA web site lists an obsolete mailing
address for Pooh Corner.  We changed our address two seasons ago.  Any mail
delivered to the old address will be refused by the mailing service and
processed according to USPS regulations.
>
> The correct mailing address for Pooh Corner is:
>
> Bill & Molly Person
> PMB 154
> 11448 Deerfield Dr.
> Truckee, CA 96161
>
> Please try to get the word out to anyone who may need to redirect packages
to our correct address.
>
> Sorry for any problems.  I did not know until today that the PCTA web site
contained our address.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:49:37 -0700
> From: "Robert Richey" <RRichey@charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Section Hiking
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> I'm glad to hear somebody else would like to section hike the PCT.  I
won't be able to retire for 10 years, which leaves me with two weeks and
lots of weekends for section hiking.  Start a group and I'm in!  - Bob R
>
>
> "Is there a group out there that works together to section hike the PCT
trail?
>  I would like to section hike the trial and it would be better if there
was a
> group doing it in some organized way. Thanks, Switchback"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:00:52 -0700
> From: "Irwin Reeves" <ipreeves@airvelocity.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] hike Kennedy Mdw to Yosemite Valley
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> I am planning to hike Kennedy Mdws north to Yosemite Valley.  Date is last
weekend of
> August, Sept., and first week of Oct. 2003.  I am looking for a partner.
I am planning to
> travel equiped so if things don't work out I can continue solo.  But some
company would
> be nice and my wife would like it better.  I am not in the best of shape
now, but have done
> a lot of backpacking over the last 30 years.  I am 63 yrs old and plan on
approx. 15 mile
> days.  I live in southern CA  between San Bernardino and Palm Springs.
>
> If interested contact me at ipreeves@airvelocity.net.
>
> CRASH  (Irwin Reeves)From backpacker@attbi.com  Mon May 26 23:20:00 2003
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>
> but rember they are heavy  and won't protect your food like hanging it
> will. the only time they are half worth it is being abiove tree line and
> then you usaly don't have t o woory about the bears. but if there is a
> tree I would hang it course they have stuped rules stoping that even
> though it has been proven that hanging it right will protect your food
> 100 times beter then those things. heck tonight we have to bears right
> in my back yard. nice thing about leavign right next to the worlds first
> natianl park yellowsotne
> Dave
> David Duncan wrote:
>
> > Stan:
> >
> > Check with the Inyo National Forest.  Last Fall we did the JMT and
> > some trail friends returned their cannisters to the Inyo National
> > Forest Office in either Lone Pine or Independence (where they had
> > rented them--sorry, I can't remember which town).  You can also rent
> > them from the Inyo National Forest Office in Mammoth Lakes.
> >
> > We rented ours in Yosemite Valley, but I think you can rent them at
> > the wilderness office in Tuolumne Meadows.  Renting from Yosemite is a
> > little cheaper than Inyo National Forest--$5.00 for two weeks per
> > cannister.
> >
> > Have a good trip.
> >
> > Dave Duncan
> >
> >
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:21:47 -0700
> From: "Vicki G. Hoyt" <vhoyt@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Section Hiking
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030526221045.00b7bd68@franklin.cisco.com>
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>
> I also would be interested in such a group
> Vicki
>
> At 08:49 PM 5/26/2003 -0700, Robert Richey wrote:
> >I'm glad to hear somebody else would like to section hike the PCT.  I
> >won't be able to retire for 10 years, which leaves me with two weeks and
> >lots of weekends for section hiking.  Start a group and I'm in!  - Bob R
> >
> >
> >"Is there a group out there that works together to section hike the PCT
> >trail?
> >  I would like to section hike the trial and it would be better if there
> > was a
> >group doing it in some organized way. Thanks, Switchback"
> >_______________________________________________
> >pct-l mailing list
> >pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >http://mailman.hack.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> Vicki Hoyt
> Cisco Systems Capital
> Loan Administration
> 9850 Double R Blvd., 2nd Floor
> Reno, NV 89521
> tel (775) 789-5863
> fax (775) 789-5866
> email   vhoyt@cisco.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 01:39:08 EDT
> From: LivNLrn3R@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail magic at Tuolomne Meadows in July
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I'll be at TM the 3rd weekend in July with 5 other women, doing the hike
to
> Happy Isles. It would be great fun to meet some PCT thru-hikers on their
way
> north. Anyone know if some of the hikers would be on that schedule? I'm
thinking
> giant  Snickers bars, or open to suggestions :-)
>
> Becki in CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:47:38 -0700
> From: Richard <calliger@infolane.com>
> Subject: THE FACTS~~ just the facts!! Re: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch
> package fees
> To: Dave <teamcourage@attbi.com>, JohnDRandall@aol.com
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <2.2.32.20030527054738.01c0f594@postal.infolane.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> >JohnDRandall@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> loaded into the lake's small ferry and transported to the
> >>opposite site, then loaded onto horses or mules...or driven cross
country
> on a
> >>poorly-defined jeep path up to the ranch, five miles on the eastern side
> of the
> >>lake.   At the ranch the packages are offloaded, moved to a storage shed
and
> >>accounted for by the staff.
> >> Whatever they charge, $18 or $25 or higher, is a
> >>service just like FedEx or UPS.   They aren't saving up for a trip to
Bali
> with
> >>the money they charge for the service.  In fact, they lose money on it;
it's
> >>a service to the backcountry community.   Dude, pay the money or mail
your
> >>packages to Vermillion or hike out to Bishop.  But, please, stop
whining.
> >>
> >>John Randall
> >>Birmingham, ALJohn!
>
> John!!
>
> Sounds like you are the whiner!! They have to go into town regularly for
> supplies
> and we who live in the mountains are used to "winding roads" and a
ferry..it
> is not
> the big deal u make it out as...they charge way too much for a simple
cargo
> service...
> and that jeep path is not "poorly defined"..having been up it a few times
it
> is quite obvious where it is!!and the ranch hands tool back and forth to
town
> about every day making beer runs!! ..
>
> they can break even with $1 per package and $5 per package they go buy
extra
> beer..and $25 a package for a 100 packages is $2500.00, 3 trips to Bali as
> you put it!!
>
> these guys are paid minimum wages and the overhead there is simply put
> "cheap!"..
>
> Tickets to Bali are a paltry (the airport is really "Denpasar" (DPS), NOT
Bali)
> $824 R/T!!
>                 Flights - Search Results
>                 San Francisco to Denpasar
>                 Some itineraries require paper tickets. Click "View
Details"
> to check your itinerary. Shipping fees start at $19.99.
>
>
>                     $819
>                         Adult x 15.00 Booking Fee    $824   Total (USD)
>    Depart
>                                       1:05 am
>                                           Mon., Jun. 16  San Francisco
(SFO)
>
>                                                                 China
Airlines
>  Arrive
>                                       2:15 pm
>                                           Tue., Jun. 17  Denpasar (DPS)
>
>                                           Stops: 1 Travel Time: 22 hr 10
min
>  Return
>                                       3:15 pm
>                                           Mon., Jun. 23  Denpasar (DPS)
>
>                                                                  China
>                                                                  Airlines
>  Arrive      6:30 pm
>                                           Mon., Jun. 23  San Francisco
(SFO)
>
>                                           Stops: 1 Travel Time: 18 hr 15
min
>
>
>
> Been there, done that.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> At 05:49 PM 5/23/03 -0600, Dave wrote:
> >hey I just don't use them. I  send to other places. the thing is even if
> >they didn't do this for backpackers they still would have to send
> >employees out to get packages because of there own and there employees
> >packages. SO no mater what it isn't an extra trip. Hey I don't mind
> >giving say 5 bucks has a tip for  service well done but any thing more
> >is to much.
> >
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