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- Subject: [pct-l] Ride (Bakersfield to Mojave)
- From: solomon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Solomon, Peter)
- Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:35:15 -0400
This is my first entry into this PCT discussion group so I thought that I
should introduce myself. My trailname is "Fish(Out of H20)" which came to
me while thru-hiking the AT in '95 with my friend and hiking partner "Wall".
Anyways, Wall is thru-hiking the PCT this summer and is starting on May
12th. I plan to join him on June 2nd and hike with him for two weeks. I was
wondering if anyone knew of a way to get from Bakersfield Airport, CA to
Mojave. I will be staying at the White Motel and hopefully getting a ride
to the trailhead from the owners of the motel. Any suggestions?
Fish(Out of H20)
aka Peter Solomon
Middlebury, VT
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: question about bear cannisters - where to stash them at camp?
(Ryan Christensen)
2. Re: question about bear cannisters - where to stash them at camp?
(Marcia Powers)
3. Re: G'day mates! (christin pruett)
4. Ideas for Bear Canisters (Bob Bankhead)
5. John Vonhof (JoAnn Michael)
6. Re: John Vonhof (Christine Kudija)
7. Re: (pct-1)Water caches (ROYROBIN@aol.com)
8. Re: Latest departure 4 av speed solo thru/h north bound?
(ROYROBIN@aol.com)
9. Re: (pct-1)Water caches (pmodny)
10. Re: question about bear cannisters - where to stash them at camp?
(ROYROBIN@aol.com)
11. Sierra hike planning diffifulties (Andrew Mytys)
12. The Dow Villa (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
13. simmer ring, cake (Joanne Lennox)
14. Re: Sierra hike planning difficulties (Bob Bankhead)
15. Re: lightweight mug? (John Mertes)
16. Re: gentlman (Christine Kudija)
17. El Cajon to Campo (BearKelly377@netscape.net)
18. Re: El Cajon to Campo (BearKelly377@netscape.net)
19. El Cajon to Campo - ride (yogi hicker)
20. RE: El Cajon to Campo - ride (BearKelly377@netscape.net)
21. (Guest Post) JOHN MUIR TRAIL (GLEN Dieringer)
22. Re: Tehachapi to KM water (Christine Kudija)
23. 1st Post (Paul Longton)
24. Re: lightweight mug? (Steve Courtway)
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Message: 1
From: "Ryan Christensen" <ca_radiance@hotmail.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] question about bear cannisters - where to stash them at
camp?
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:05:34 +0000
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Hi!
Sure its not a good idea to stash you bear canister right next to your tent
or
sleeping pad. You see the bear can still smell the contents of the canister
so
the bear will become curious. However I actually have never had this happen
or
heard of it happening. I suspect that bears in the National Parks in the
Sierra now know they cant get food from the garcia canisters. So all you do
is
you stash your canister a little bit away so the bear wont tromp on you
head,
(which happens) while looking for food. The best place to put the canister
is
in some bushes so it wont roll away, and definatly dont stash it next to a
cliff or on a steep slope where it will roll down if the bear plays with it.
But other than that, its no big deal and don't worry- you will be fine!
Ryan
>From: Mcgee.John@epamail.epa.gov
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: [pct-l] question about bear cannisters - where to stash them at
camp?
>Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 12:56:25 -0400
>
>Hello y'all:
>
>I will be hiking the about half the JMT later this summer - from Lake
>Florence up to YNP - and then some more in the Park there.
>
>Have read that bear cannisters are required in YNP. A,so, that the bears
>along the JMT/PCT, especially in the National Parks, are persistent. OK,
>so I'll take along and use the Garcia bear can.
>
>What I read says to leave the bear can closeby your camp, on the ground,
>not hung. My question is: does this work in practice? It seems to me
>that leaving a bear can laying around on the ground would invite the
>bears to steal the cans. What do y'all who've 'been there and done that'
>have to say about stashing the bear can at camp?
>
>Thanks in advance for your time to reply, I appreciate the first-hand
>advice,
>
>John
>
>P.S. I have backpackied in the Great Smoky Mountain NP for over 20 years
>- another place notorious for lots of bears, and persistent ones at
>that. It has been my experience to: 1)eat supper a few miles from camp
>and 2)NEVER leave ANYTHING loose on the ground around camp - bears will
>run off with the stuff and THEN figure out if it's of any value to them.
>
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Message: 2
Reply-To: "Marcia Powers" <gottawalk@pacbell.net>
From: "Marcia Powers" <gottawalk@pacbell.net>
To: <Mcgee.John@epamail.epa.gov>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] question about bear cannisters - where to stash them at
camp?
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:19:57 -0700
We have always used a canister on the JMT. My favorite place to stash is in
any rocky dip...easy to find in the Sierras. We also put it 25-50' away from
our tent. We sleep soundly and once Ken went to fetch it for breakfast and
carried it in asking why I stood it on end with the lid end up because
condensation could leak in. I had, of course, put it on it's side with a
couple of small rocks to hold it. When he handed it to me I asked what all
the slime was! It looked like drool smeared all over, but the food was safe.
The REI employee that sold the can to me said that they heard a bear in the
night and their can has teeth marks gnawed on the rim! That's the canister
that I want!
I really like canisters because the also keep food safe from small rodents.
Marcia
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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: [pct-l] question about bear cannisters - where to stash them at
camp?
Hello y'all:
I will be hiking the about half the JMT later this summer - from Lake
Florence up to YNP - and then some more in the Park there.
Have read that bear cannisters are required in YNP. A,so, that the bears
along the JMT/PCT, especially in the National Parks, are persistent. OK,
so I'll take along and use the Garcia bear can.
What I read says to leave the bear can closeby your camp, on the ground,
not hung. My question is: does this work in practice? It seems to me
that leaving a bear can laying around on the ground would invite the
bears to steal the cans. What do y'all who've 'been there and done that'
have to say about stashing the bear can at camp?
Thanks in advance for your time to reply, I appreciate the first-hand
advice,
John
P.S. I have backpackied in the Great Smoky Mountain NP for over 20 years
- another place notorious for lots of bears, and persistent ones at
that. It has been my experience to: 1)eat supper a few miles from camp
and 2)NEVER leave ANYTHING loose on the ground around camp - bears will
run off with the stuff and THEN figure out if it's of any value to them.
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Message: 3
From: "christin pruett" <christinpruett@hotmail.com>
To: m_factor@hotmail.com, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net,
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net, BackpackingLight@yahoogroups.com,
BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] G'day mates!
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 18:48:49 +0000
Hi, how bizarre to hear those names again. I met Max, Stu, and Alf on my
1993 AT thru-hike. That was the year that Alf almost kicked the bucket with
hanta virus. As far as I know that is the only case of that ailment in AT
history. Good to know that they are all doing well. Good luck on your PCT
adventure!
Christy
>From: "Mara Factor" <m_factor@hotmail.com>
>To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net,
>pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net,BackpackingLight@yahoogroups.com,
>BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [pct-l] G'day mates!
>Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 00:22:45 -0500
>
>Hi all,
>
>(Please pardon the cross post and limit replies as appropriate... :-)
>
>I'm just back from three amazing months of traveling and hiking in
>Australia
>and New Zealand. FYI... Australia is not all flat and red but does have
>an
>amazing abundance of wildlife. New Zealand on the other hand, is not all
>lush and green and has some amazing birds, but with so few native animals,
>scat was rare and even I didn't treat a lot of my water while there. Not
>surprisingly, three months was not enough, but with PCT plans in the
>offing,
>I'm not going to complain.
>:-)
>
>I'll be back on line for just a couple of weeks before I head off for the
>PCT.
>
>To make this relevant to all the lists I've posted to...
>
>While hiking the Overland Track, I stopped to talk to one hiker going the
>other way. Usually, you just say "g'day" or "how ya going" and you pass
>each other and just keep walking. For some reason, I actually stopped and
>had a conversation with one hiker. It didn't take too long to realize that
>we were both AT thruhikers. Who would have thought I would meet another
>thruhiker while hiking in Tasmania? Anybody know El Chasqui from the
>trail?
>
>I also spent time with Mad Max (AT) and Alf (AT and PCT) who both live in
>Hobart.
>
>My hiking partner in NZ also had AT connections in that she's good friends
>with both Heavy (AT01) and Peanut Butter (AT98).
>
>I managed to meet up with a couple of hikers from the BPL and BGT lists. I
>didn't get to see any of Mark's gear in Melbourne, but he got to see some
>of
>mine. When I got to New Zealand, Stu gave me some great hiking
>recommendations. We met again when I was on my way out of the country and
>managed to do a little gear show and tell for each other. I got to see
>some
>of the gear he's tested and some of the homemade stuff he has. It was
>great
>to meet someone else who didn't think it was weird to talk about the
>details
>of gear that most find boring. It was also nice to meet his family and
>realize that there's a lot more to the people on the lists than what they
>necessarily talk about in their emails.
>
>At this point, I've got just two week to plan my entire PCT hike. For the
>most part, I think I'll be winging it and mostly doing self-resupply along
>the way, but I expect to have a few questions in the next couple of weeks.
>It's nice to be back where I know there's people with plenty of friendly
>(and good) advice. Looks like the current snow reports have the west coast
>below normal so I hope that translates into easier snow sections...
>thoughts? Ice axe? kahtoola crampons? both? Neither?
>
>It's good to be back...
>
>Mara
>
>P.S. I'm looking for ways to get my PCT journal on-line while I'm hiking.
>I'm considering a pocketmail device but really prefer to hand write my
>journal. If there's anyone out there who would be interested in
>transcribing all or some of a journal, please get in touch with me. No
>html
>knowledge required as it'll just need to be emailed to my TravelsAndTrails
>yahoo egroup: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TravelsAndTrails/
>
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Message: 4
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@msn.com>
To: "PCT List Forum" <PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:16:12 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Ideas for Bear Canisters
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IDEA 1:
In addition to placing the canister in some form of natural depression wher=
e it can not roll away by itself or with the bear's help, you might also co=
nsider that canisters are very dark in color, rendering finding them diffic=
ult in the dark. The black Garcia Can is especially so. I added a loop of s=
elf-adhesive, reflective tape around bottom and more across each end of my =
Bearikade canister. I can find and recover my food at night after Yogi and =
Boo-Boo have gone or during my anxiety attacks, I can point my flashlight o=
ut of the shelter and my food announces that it is still where I put it.
IDEA 2:
These canisters are bulky to store in your pack (comfortably). There are no=
lash points on their smooth surfaces for obvious reasons. I saw one ultra-=
light hiker using his Garcia can as a backpack, made possible by drilling a=
hole into each end, passing a rope through the holes and knotting each end=
inside the can. You could do this with any bear can but you will sacrifice=
some of the water integrity and scent protection in doing so. I personally=
would never consider this if I were traversing Grizzly country like the CD=
T or North Cascades.
WEIGHT vs. COST:
I carried a Bearikade Expedition model canister in Yosemite last year and l=
oved it. I am told you can rent Garcia cans there too, but I opted for the =
Bearikade for two main reasons. (1) it is the lightest of all the bear cans=
currently available, and (2) there were 2 of us out for 5 days; one 9 day =
Expedition can did the work of 2 Garcia cans at a fraction of the weight (3=
1 oz vs. 88 oz).
The Bearikade is a bear resistant container made of a lightweight composite=
sandwich and is available in two sizes; the Weekender MKII, which at 650 c=
ubic inches (9x10 inches) will hold about 6 person days of food (2 people f=
or 3 days), and weighs 1 pound 15 ounces (31 oz) or the Expedition MKII whi=
ch at 900 cubic inches (9x14 inches) holds about 9 person days of food and =
weighs 2 pounds 5 ounces (37 oz). See their site at http://wild-ideas.net/=
products.html . Bearikades are not cheap; the weekender is $195 and the Exp=
edition $245. Carbon fiber is expensive, but that's what makes it so light =
and durable. since it is a straight-sided cylinder, it packs easier and mak=
es a great camp seat or table as well.
The Garcia can is much cheaper ($78 @ REI), made of ABS polymer, and carrie=
s 6 man-days in a 8.8x12 inch package. There is also a carrying case availa=
ble ($18 REI) for this that allows it to be attached to your pack. The can =
weighs 2 lb 12 ounces (44 oz) without the case. That's 13 oz heavier than t=
he Bearikade of the same capacity but it saves you $9 per ounce over the mo=
re expensive Bearikade [ ($195 - $78)/13 oz ]. It's your call. you can see =
the Garcia can at REI's site: http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDispla=
y?storeId=3D8000&catalogId=3D40000008000&productId=3D4877&parent_category_r=
n=3D5760752).
Both are approved for use in Sequoia/Kings Canyon/Yosemite NPs and the Inyo=
National Forest.
Wandering Bob
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Message: 5
Reply-To: "JoAnn Michael" <jomike47@earthlink.net>
From: "JoAnn Michael" <jomike47@earthlink.net>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:01:58 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] John Vonhof
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Anyone have ad address for John Vonhof of Fixing Your Feet?
Neither his web site nor the address: johnvonhof@mediaone.net are good.
JoAnn
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Message: 6
Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
To: "JoAnn Michael" <jomike47@earthlink.net>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] John Vonhof
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:54:34 -0700
JoAnn -
Try johnvonhof@attbi.com - this was the reply address in John's last
newsletter & post to the list -
Christine
Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
"Never measure the height of a mountain, until you have reached the top.
Then you will see how low it was." Dag Hammarskjold
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To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:01 PM
Subject: [pct-l] John Vonhof
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Anyone have ad address for John Vonhof of Fixing Your Feet?
Neither his web site nor the address: johnvonhof@mediaone.net are good.
JoAnn
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Message: 7
From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:19:31 EDT
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (pct-1)Water caches
To: Bighummel@aol.com, scouterpete@cogeco.ca, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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This is good advice. In '97, I really would have appreciated a water cache
at Scissors Crossing, but it wasn't there. There is plenty of water at
Scissors Crossing, but it runs out of a cow pasture. Not your first choice,
but it had to do.
OTOH, and IMHO, and assuming you have reliable information that there is
water at Barrel Spring, I think that any true PCT thruhiker should deal with
the fact that there is no water between Scissors Crossing and Barrel Spring
and plan accordingly. If some Trail Angel happens to take mercy upon you
and
stash a cache at the third gate, leave it for those who screwed up.
_____
In a message dated 4/7/03 8:47:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Bighummel@aol.com
writes:
> Water caches are for EMERGENCY use only. Please plan your water needs
> prudently and should you require additional water then please take ONLY
> WHAT
> YOU NEED, and leave the rest for those that come a after you, perhaps in
> dire
> need
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Message: 8
From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:19:30 EDT
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Latest departure 4 av speed solo thru/h north bound?
To: kublakhanpics@mindspring.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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To figure out your latest (practical) day to start a northbound PCT hike,
make your best guess about when you can still get through the northern
Cascades without a heavy snow ending your attempt in the last 100 miles or
so. Do you feel lucky? Try October 1 or later. Figure mid-September if
you
want to give yourself a good chance. [Monte or anyone else from the Great
Pacific Northwest, correct me if you disagree.]
Then work backwards to your start date using your best guess (again) about
your own miles-per-day. If you have hiked the Appalachian Trail at 15 mpd,
you should be able to hike the PCT at 20 mpd. (I have hiked both.)
If you are, as you say, in good physical strength but a bit out of hiking
shape, it doesn't make any significant difference. After two weeks you will
either be in good hiking shape or off the trail.
_____
In a message dated 4/6/03 11:27:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kublakhanpics@mindspring.com writes:
> ...can someone please advise on the latest (practical) day of departure
for
> someone in good physical strength but a bit out of hiking shape hoping to
> solo the trail northbound? ... the whole trail w/ no piggy back rides.
>
>
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Message: 9
From: "pmodny" <scouterpete@cogeco.ca>
To: <Bighummel@aol.com>, "yogi hicker" <yogilists@hotmail.com>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, <GOALIEJHACHEY@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:48:36 -0400
Organization: 1st Mount Albion Venturers
Subject: [pct-l] Re: (pct-1)Water caches
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Re: [pct-l] (pct-1)Water caches
Dear Greg and fellow hikers
I appreciate the response to my query, and have only inquired about the c=
aches should I myself be in dire need.I believe that the water supply which=
I will be carrying will suffice as I will be lugging 6-8 liters of the pre=
cious commodity with me for most of my hike through the first three section=
s of the PCT and knowing where some water caches maybe hidden provides me s=
ome hope that should the need arise, (and this need will only be in an emer=
gecy situation) that I will be able to arrive at another water source. I th=
ank you all once more.
Pete Modny
Dear Pete,
Water stashes are for ALL hikers in need, not just those that attend the =
ADZPCTKO. ........... .Water caches are for EMERGENCY use only........ Ple=
ase plan your water needs prudently..... and should you require additional =
water then please take ONLY WHAT YOU NEED........, and leave the rest for t=
hose that come a after you, perhaps in dire need.
Best regards,
Greg Hummel
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Message: 10
From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:11:28 EDT
Subject: Re: [pct-l] question about bear cannisters - where to stash them at
camp?
To: Mcgee.John@epamail.epa.gov, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Stick it in a bush or depression on the ground so a bear can't swat it into
the creek or over a cliff. They can't pick it up. I painted a fluorescent
orange stripe around my Garcia to make it easier to find in the event it got
relocated during the night.
According to the Yosemite Park Ranger I talked with this morning, bear
canisters are actually required only above 9,600 feet, i.e., where there are
no trees to hang food. However, he recommended not hanging food anywhere in
the park because the bears will tear up the trees trying to get it. I
should
add that any self-respecting Yosemite Yogi will be successful getting your
food even if you hang it properly.
Don't start a flame over this. If you ask a different ranger, you may get a
different answer. And, regs on other parts of the JMT are different. SEKI
is pretty hyper about their bear can regs.
_____
In a message dated 4/7/03 9:57:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Mcgee.John@epamail.epa.gov writes:
> What do y'all who've 'been there and done that'
> have to say about stashing the bear can at camp?
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:28:04 -0400
From: "Andrew Mytys" <amytys@highstream.net>
Reply-To: <amytys@highstream.net>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Sierra hike planning diffifulties
Arghhhh!!!
Greyhound no longer services the Eastern Sierra :(
I also can't find any shuttle services that go from Fresno/Visalia
to/from Sequoia on the west side of the park.
What's a Southbound JMT hiker to do for transportation after the
hike? Are there any options that are daily and don't involve so many
hops as to make walking north back to Yosemite seem like a "shortcut"?
Oh yeah... my first post intro.
I love the Sierra, but don't have time to commit to a thru at this point in=
my life. 3-weeks in the Sierra is on the calendar for this year, though. =
I'm planning a JMT hike this summer, and ran into some difficulties... so =
here I am.
Many of you probably already know me from lists like backpackinglight and b=
ackpackgeartest
I hike with a base weight of under 13 lbs.
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Message: 12
From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:17:28 EDT
To: Lonetrail@aol.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] The Dow Villa
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In a message dated 4/7/03 8:05:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Lonetrail@aol.com
writes:
> If staying in Lone Pine the Dow Villa Motel is great. They have the he old
> Section Rooms and the new Addition Rooms
One of my fondest memories, of hiking the JMT on my honeymoon, lo those
hundreds of years ago, and winding up at the Dow Villa at the end. We took
thirty days and found, in the end, that the beds were so soft we couldn't
sleep and put the mattress on the floor.
No Way
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Message: 13
Reply-To: <goforth@cio.net>
From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
To: "Karl and Gretchn Duff" <kduff@ix.netcom.com>,
"pct-mailing list" <PCT-L@backcountry.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:26:26 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] simmer ring, cake
I made a "baking spacer" out of popcan aluminum. This was tedious, and it
took me a while to drink enough pop to get the cans I needed. I used the
dimensions and size strips that Robert Ellinwood detailed in one of his
last posts and it took me a while to figure out how to put the thing
together never having seen the gizmo (Thank you Bob!!!!!!).
In taking all the cans apart to get the flat stock from the sides of the
can, my eye lite on the tops and bottoms and I thought "well, here is a
simmer ring too!"
I got out my popcan stove out which I have almost never used because it
wastes so much more fuel than my Sigg alcohol burner. It gets the alcohol
too hot and it just burns around the pan in an ever increasing yellow
flame. I poured one full film cannister of denatured alcohol into the
stove and put my 1.5(?) liter much backened titanium pot with the baker and
half inch of water and my cake. After the stove got going good , I put a
pop can bottom in which I had drilled a 5/8 inch hole in the center.(it fit
the stove exactly and covered all the holes). The flame reduced
dramatically and was puffing some extra flame out the sides. It reduced
little by little. Occaisionally , I would flip the simmer top offf and let
the cake get hotter. the cake cooked in about 20 minutes.
The flame is small and steady now after 58 minutes and half my cake has
been consummed.
I will give you my receipe waiting for the eventual demise of the flame:
take about a cup of Jiffy Baking mix (or Bisquick, Krusteaz , etc), and mix
with water until about like thick pancake batter. Pour into plastic bag,
which is sitting on top of the baking platform with water. My philosophy
is that when you have about equal amounts of topping as you have the base
cake mixture that you just put into the bag, you are on your way to having
things turn out okay. My topping is about equal amounts of the dry baking
mix, brown sugar, coconut, and butter (cut the butter in until it is the
size of small peas), add cinnamon. Cover the top of the batter with this
powdery mix and poke it down into the batter every inch or so. the only
problem that I ran into was that the cake mix took up much of the pot and I
left some air space and as the cake rose and as the air space expanded, the
pot lid lifted up. So later I just pushed as much of the air out of the
top of the cake as I could and sealed the bag.
Flame still going after 63 minutes. Hum, what else. Oh, yes. I also used
the pop can top as a simmer ring and it worked about the same as the bottom
- the pop top opening is a litle eccentric and not as pretty but it seemed
to work just about the same even though the holes were not completely
covered. The botton of the pop can is a perfect match to the top of the
stove so that it also protects the stove top and as it nests to the top
there is very little space or weight to it.
Flame stoped at 69 minutes.
The "Baking PLatform" weights something less than 0.5 oz. My scales are
not very accurate below 1 oz.
Joanne
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Message: 14
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@msn.com>
To: <amytys@highstream.net>, "PCT List Forum"
<PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra hike planning difficulties
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:49:50 -0700
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See http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~rbell/JMTTransport.html
Also from a prior list posting.....
Wandering Bob
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D
The CREST bus is now operating between Ridgecrest and Carson City. The
name stands for Carson City - Ridgecrest Eastern Sierra Transit. It
might be useful for section hikers coming to and leaving the PCT.
Problem is, a bus runs north and one runs south from Bishop and you
can't ride all the way from, say, Lone Pine to Carson City in one day.
The Ridgecrest bus, serving Lone Pine, runs Mon, Wed, Fri and the Carson
City bus runs from Bishop on Tue, Thu, Fri, with no Fri transfer
possible between those two buses. Let's talk about the one for Bishop
and points north. Depart Bishop 201 S Warren Terminal at 7 am. Mammoth
McDonald's 7:50 am, June Lake Firehouse 8:15 am (by request only), Lee
Vining Bell's Sporting Goods 8:25, Bridgeport Texaco 8:55 am, and then
other stops until Carson City Walmart's at 10:45 am. There is a schedule
match with the PRIDE bus line which can then take you to Reno AMTRAK and
the airport. arriving there at 12:23 pm. The pm return times begin at
Carson City at 1:45 pm and arrive in Bishop at 5:30 pm on the same days,
Tue, Thu, Fri. There are flag stops (at any safe location along Hwy 395
- the bus is medium size and is mainly white in color) and also
special-request pickup locations; call 800-922-1930 for details. Fare
from Bishop to Carson City is $20, $17 for seniors, children, and
handicapped. The fare is progressively less from other stops closer to
Carson City.
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Campy
Central California Regional Trail Coordinator
Pacific Crest Trail Association
Bishop CA Tel.: 760-872-2338
Email: tap "Reply"
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Mytys
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 5:23 PM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Sierra hike planning diffifulties
Arghhhh!!!
Greyhound no longer services the Eastern Sierra :(
I also can't find any shuttle services that go from Fresno/Visalia
to/from Sequoia on the west side of the park.
What's a Southbound JMT hiker to do for transportation after the
hike? Are there any options that are daily and don't involve so many
hops as to make walking north back to Yosemite seem like a "shortcut"?
Oh yeah... my first post intro.
I love the Sierra, but don't have time to commit to a thru at this point in=
my life. 3-weeks in the Sierra is on the calendar for this year, though. =
I'm planning a JMT hike this summer, and ran into some difficulties... so =
here I am.
Many of you probably already know me from lists like backpackinglight and b=
ackpackgeartest
I hike with a base weight of under 13 lbs.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:25:24 -0700
From: John Mertes <jmertes@verizon.net>
To: Ken Powers <kdpo@pacbell.net>, P C T List <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] lightweight mug?
Re: cups
I used to carry a double-wall vacuum insulated (like Thermos) stainless
steel
cup which is good at keeping hot coffee hot. I haven't seen them at REI for
a
number of years though. Weighed just under 6 oz.
Now I carry a 300ml SnoPeak titanium double-wall cup (NOT vacuum insulated)
which weighs just 80 grams (< 3 0z) and does well keeping my coffee hot. It
is
almost indestructable. Big drawback -- it cost $35 a couple of years ago.
John
Ken Powers wrote:
> I agree with Sly. We carry 4oz cups that are great for hot drinks. The
cups
> we use were donated to my Boy Scout Troop at least 10 years ago. They are
a
> hard plastic, maybe melamine. They don't have lids, but who need lids. :)
> The cup is just the right size - our stove slides inside it. Then one cup,
> our spoons, and our bowls fit inside our cookpot.
>
> Ken
> -
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a lightweight mug with top? I
> > > currently am using a Campmor mug..which is made by Alladin.
> > >
> >
> > I use a similar mug and except for my Lekis, it's the only piece of gear
I
> > haven't changed out in the last 6 years. Since I like coffee and hot
> > chocolate on the trail, it's well worth the 4.9 ozzz's, if you ask me.
> >
> > A buddy of mine cuts a 20 oz plastic soda bottle down to size and they
> don't
> > even weight an ounce. Of course, they have no insulating value or top,
> but
> > the weight and price is right. If you choose to give one of them a try,
> > you'll want to add only boiling water the first time, as they're prone
to
> a
> > small amount of shrinkage. After that it should be fine.
> >
> > Sly
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Message: 16
Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
To: "JoAnn Michael" <jomike47@earthlink.net>, <jhebert8@hotmail.com>
Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] gentlman
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:49:01 -0700
AMEN!
Christine
Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
"Never measure the height of a mountain, until you have reached the top.
Then you will see how low it was." Dag Hammarskjold
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To: <jhebert8@hotmail.com>
Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [pct-l] gentlman
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Jason,
I do not know you but as far as I am concerned any man who expresses an
apology as lovely as you did in "down vs. synthetic" meets this old fashion
woman's definition of a real man. There need to be more like you.
JoAnn
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 23:23:39 -0400
From: BearKelly377@netscape.net
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] El Cajon to Campo
I am looking for options to get to Campo from the El Cajon transit center b=
esides bus route 894. I am concerned about starting the trail after taking =
894 to Campo because it arrives about 5:00pm, and I would like to get start=
ed earlier. Any ideas?
- Bear
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 23:55:22 -0400
From: BearKelly377@netscape.net
To: jape@nethere.com (jape)
Cc: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] El Cajon to Campo
Thursday or Friday. Last minute details may hold me until next week. (Job)
jape <jape@nethere.com> wrote:
> BearKelly377@netscape.net wrote: I am looking for options to get to Campo=
from the El Cajon transit center besides bus route 894. I am concerned abo=
ut starting the trail after taking 894 to Campo because it arrives about 5:=
00pm, and I would like to get started earlier. Any ideas?
>
>
>What's your arrival date?
>
>Eckert
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Message: 19
From: "yogi hicker" <yogilists@hotmail.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 23:15:30 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] El Cajon to Campo - ride
Try getting in touch with Bob, the San Diego trail angel. He drives many
hikers to Campo. You could probably search the archives for his phone
number or email address.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 00:50:53 -0400
From: BearKelly377@netscape.net
To: yogilists@hotmail.com ("yogi hicker"), pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [pct-l] El Cajon to Campo - ride
Yogi,
I checked your online journal for the 2002 hike, and it says you looked for=
a railroad museum hostel in Campo. From the research I've done, it appear=
s there is no lodging in Campo at all. Did you ever find out if there is a =
hostel there?
- Bear
"yogi hicker" <yogilists@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Try getting in touch with Bob, the San Diego trail angel. He drives many
>hikers to Campo. You could probably search the archives for his phone
>number or email address.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:24:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: GLEN Dieringer <GLENDIERIN@AOL..COM>
To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
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Subject: [pct-l] (Guest Post) JOHN MUIR TRAIL
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Message: 22
Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
To: "yogi hicker" <yogilists@hotmail.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tehachapi to KM water
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:28:27 -0700
In '94 there were no water caches, and we filtered, oh, maybe 2 gallons from
the spring at Kelso Valley/Butterbredt Canyon road junction. What a stew
(at least, anything with a cow ribcage protruding from it must be a stew -
can't really be a clean water source now, can it?) Chuck (Igor) managed to
find a trickle of cleanish water flowing over a cottonwood root, and dipper
by dipper, filled the water bag for treating. While he was collecting
"water" ;-), he looked behind him to see the ribcage he'd not seen in his
quest for an inlet to the the "pond." eeeewwwww......and Igor, the
gentleman, didn't tell me about the ribcage until sometime later, probably
after McGiver's Cabin.
This nettle-choked seep is on my personal (fwiw) list for future PCT
projects, if the property owner/lessee is willing to fence off some of the
spring from cattle. Seems that a concerted effort could render the spring
suitable for human access. In 2001, Igor & I visited the spring to see if
anything had changed... it seemed that the spring itself was only more
nettle choked and nasty than it had been in '94, suitable only for birds,
small mammals, and nettle-immune cattle.
Thank goodness for the trail angel who supplies the water cache on the
trail.
Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
"Never measure the height of a mountain, until you have reached the top.
Then you will see how low it was." Dag Hammarskjold
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From: "yogi hicker" <yogilists@hotmail.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Tehachapi to KM water
Donna's right about the water at Butterbredt Canyon Road being an
unappealing mud hole, and Yellow Jacket Spring being just a seep.
However, last year when the caches at Kelso Valley Road and Bird Spring Pass
were EMPTY, we all drank the "cow-ass" water at Butterbredt Canyon Road and
the water from the squishy meadow at Yellow Jacket Spring.
I guess my definition of whether or not water is drinkable is directly
related to how thirsty I am.
By the way, Donna do you know if the water at Camp Glenwood (mile 401.2) and
Mill Creek (mile 419.2) will be turned on this year? Last year, water was
off at both places.
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Longton <plongton@pacbell.net>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] 1st Post
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This is my introductory post. I am a 54 year old architect living in San Di=
ego County (Oceanside). Over the last few years I have section hiked some 4=
50 (or so) miles of the PCT - in San Diego County, Yosemite and the John Mu=
ir Trail. I intend to thru-hike the PCT next year. I shall look forward to =
discussions involving the PCT. Paul
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Message: 24
From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
To: "P C T List" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] lightweight mug?
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:31:27 -0700
I still use the one bit of old school gear I've been using since the Boy
Scout days....
the SIERRA CUP !!!!!!!!!!!
works like a charm.
Steve
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From: "John Mertes" <jmertes@verizon.net>
To: "Ken Powers" <kdpo@pacbell.net>; "P C T List" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] lightweight mug?
> Re: cups
>
> I used to carry a double-wall vacuum insulated (like Thermos) stainless
steel
> cup which is good at keeping hot coffee hot. I haven't seen them at REI
for a
> number of years though. Weighed just under 6 oz.
>
> Now I carry a 300ml SnoPeak titanium double-wall cup (NOT vacuum
insulated)
> which weighs just 80 grams (< 3 0z) and does well keeping my coffee hot.
It is
> almost indestructable. Big drawback -- it cost $35 a couple of years ago.
>
> John
>
> Ken Powers wrote:
>
> > I agree with Sly. We carry 4oz cups that are great for hot drinks. The
cups
> > we use were donated to my Boy Scout Troop at least 10 years ago. They
are a
> > hard plastic, maybe melamine. They don't have lids, but who need lids.
:)
> > The cup is just the right size - our stove slides inside it. Then one
cup,
> > our spoons, and our bowls fit inside our cookpot.
> >
> > Ken
> > -
> > > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a lightweight mug with top? I
> > > > currently am using a Campmor mug..which is made by Alladin.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I use a similar mug and except for my Lekis, it's the only piece of
gear I
> > > haven't changed out in the last 6 years. Since I like coffee and hot
> > > chocolate on the trail, it's well worth the 4.9 ozzz's, if you ask me.
> > >
> > > A buddy of mine cuts a 20 oz plastic soda bottle down to size and they
> > don't
> > > even weight an ounce. Of course, they have no insulating value or
top,
> > but
> > > the weight and price is right. If you choose to give one of them a
try,
> > > you'll want to add only boiling water the first time, as they're prone
to
> > a
> > > small amount of shrinkage. After that it should be fine.
> > >
> > > Sly
>
>
>
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