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[pct-l] World news on the trail & fanatics (longish)

i agree.  "fanatic" is an unclear word.  i consider those Christains who bomb abortion clinics to the fanatics on the same level terrorists.  

tom is right, people have done horrible things in the name of religion.  usually when you look at it, these acts have nothing to do with personal salvation, elightenment, love, forgiveness, or anything that most major religions support.  these evil acts are almost always in support of political agendas, NOT religion.


> "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net> Re: [pct-l] World news on the trail & fanatics (longish)Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:54:30 -0700
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>Okay - I don't want to start a flame war (or continue one) on the subject of fanaticism.  This is what the Oxford English dictionary has to say about the word "fanatic."  I call your attention to the 2nd definition.  Tom, your self-described "fanaticism" may be described by a more accurate word ('cause I don't think you & Dave disagree, really).  Being committed in your faith or religion (or to an, ahem, hiking style (I knew I'd get this on point somehow) may be different from being a "fanatic" in the truest sense of the word.  Just my 'umble opinion.  
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>Christine
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>The following was copied from the Oxford English Dictionary website (my school library subscribes to it, thankfully!)
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>Fanatic
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>A. adj.
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>    1.    a. Of an action or speech: Such as might result from possession by a deity or demon; frantic, furious. Of a person: Frenzied, mad. Obs. 
>  533 BELLENDEN Livy IV. (1822) 356 This uncouth and terribil buschement..ruschit..with phanatik and wod cours on thare inemyis. c1534 tr. Pol. Verg. Eng. Hist. (Camden) I. 71 Such fanatike and fond observations. 1626 MINSHEU Ductor (ed. 2), Fanatick, mad, franticke, also inspired with a prophetical furie. 1634 SIR T. HERBERT Trav. (1638) 221 Some think..the torryd Zone, the fierie sword; and such other fanatick fancies. 1641 BAKER Chron. 148 A fanatick fellow..gave forth, that himselfe was the true Edward. 1655-60 STANLEY Hist. Philos. (1701) 494/2 Persons Divinely inspired, and Fanatick. 1721-1800 in BAILEY.
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>  b. Comb. 
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>    1603 CHETTLE Eng. Mourn. Garment in Harl. Misc. (1793) 202 They are..proud, fanatick-spirited counterfeits. 1926 W. J. LOCKE Stories Near & Far 225 A bearded, fanatic-eyed..figure. 1932 W. FAULKNER Light in August xx. 447 Fanaticfaced country preachers.
>    2. Of persons, their actions, attributes, etc.: Characterized, influenced, or prompted by excessive and mistaken enthusiasm, esp. in religious matters.
>    1647 CLARENDON Hist. Reb. IV. (1702) I. 266 The Lord Mayor..Opposing all their Fanatick humours..grew to be reckon'd in the First Form of the Malignants. 1659 BP. WALTON Consid. Considered 169 Papists, Atheists, and fanatic persons. 1659-60 MONK Sp. 6 Feb. in Wood Life (Oxf. Hist. Soc.) I. 303 Be careful neither the cavalier nor phanatique party have yet a share in your civil..power. a1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) I. 215 All our lunatic fanatic Sects. 1704 SWIFT T. Tub i. 26 The two principal qualifications of a Phanatic Preacher are [etc.]. 1774 PENNANT Tour Scot. in 1772. 58 The cloisters..fell victims to fanatic fury. 1850 W. IRVING Mahomet x. (1853) 39 The Fanatic legions of the desert. 1883 Manch. Exam. 30 Oct. 5/5 Banded..in fanatic and violent opposition to the measure.
>B. n.
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>    1. A mad person. In later use: A religious maniac. Obs. 
>     c1525 Robin Hood 160 Fool, fanatick, baboon. 1655 M. CASAUBON Enthusiasme 7 One Orpheus, a mere fanatick. 1806 Med. Jrnl. XV. 213 Dr. G[all] gave..hints how to treat fanatics, by using topical remedies and poultices.
>   2. a. A fanatic person; a visionary; an unreasoning enthusiast. Applied in the latter half of the 17th c. to Nonconformists as a hostile epithet. 
>   1644 ABP. MAXWELL Sacrosancta Regum Majestas 44 Gratia gratum faciens, Saving Grace, as some fanatickes and fantastickes fondly imagine. 1657 JOHN GAULE Sapient. Justif. 11 Enthusiasts, Anabaptists, Fanaticks, and Familists. 1660 FULLER Mixt. Contempl. (1841) 212 A new word coined, within few months, called fanatics..seemeth well..proportioned to signify..the sectaries of our age. 1660 PEPYS Diary 15 Apr., Since Lambert got out of the Tower, the Fanatiques had held up their heads high. 1709 EVANS in Hearne Collect. 10 Nov., D. Sacheverel..thunderd..against ye phanaticks. 1780 HARRIS Philol. Enq. (1841) 430 Henry the Fourth of France..was unexpectedly murdered by a wretched fanatic. 1859 KINGSLEY Sir W. Raleigh I. 20 The man of one idea, who works at nothing but that..sacrifices everything to that; the fanatic in short. 1883 FROUDE Short Stud. IV. iii. 269 The Jews..were troublesome fanatics whom it was equally difficult to govern or destroy.
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>   b. A fanatical devotee of. 
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>    1790 BURKE Fr. Rev. Wks. V. 66 Those exploded fanaticks of slavery.
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>   c. Comb. 
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>  1707 E. WARD Hud. Rediv. (1715) II. ix, To show, tho' conquer'd, they abhor (Fanatick like) all sov'reign Pow'r. 1722 SEWEL Hist. Quakers (1795) II. VII. 62 Robinson's mischievous intent to go a fanatick hunting.  Hence fanaticness Obs., fanaticalness. 
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>   1662 J. SPARROW tr. Behme's Rem. Wks., Complexions 17 Which is Phrenzie, Madnesse and Phanatiquenesse. 1665 J. SERGEANT Sure-Footing 108 The denying Tradition is a proper..disposition to Fanatickness.
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