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[cdt-l] re: CDT Yahoo group
and don't believe any thing jim says it is all unreliable
Ginny & Jim Owen wrote:
> LOL!!! -
> Mags - the only problem with "depositing files" is that you'd better
> be really careful about what info you take out of those files. When
> Lynne shot the video footage, the resupply info was up to date - by
> the time he published the video (less than 4 months after he
> interviewed us), much of that resupply info was obsolete and
> incorrect. That's why the only reliable (and that word contains a
> large margin of error) information is what you get directly from those
> who hiked the trail last year - or are hiking it THIS year. And even
> that should be treated with a massive level of paranoia. We had many,
> many surprises along the way - and we beat the bushes for detailed,
> up-to-date information right up until the time we left for Montana.
> I'd have a great distrust of any information that was "deposited"
> anyplace. I'd want to "talk" to the people who collected AND
> experienced that information before I'd trust it - and even then the
> "trust level" wouldn't be more than 50% because of the "subjective"
> and constantly changing nature of the info. That's why the list is
> the best possible data source.
> When we got off the trail we put out a lot of information that
> reflected our experience on the CDT. Hikers the next year told us
> that, in several cases, already the situation had changed or had been
> in error (i.e. zip codes that were changed in a later version of the
> town list, but not in the original one that was used by a lot of
> folks). Water sources had dried up or wells been turned off, stores or
> restaurants had opened and closed, trail angels were busy living their
> lives and no longer had time for taking care of hikers. How much more
> would that be true for hikers two or three years down the line? We
> have steered hikers to the information we put on CDT-L in 2000, but we
> tell them also to read the many caveats and amendments put out by
> other hikers on the list. When we said "Go to Salmon" others said,
> "Try Sula instead." Where we said, "No grocery at Macks Inn", others
> said, "Well, if you go a few miles further, you can find one." The
> more voices, the better the chance of getting some accuracy,
> especially in a constantly changing trail environment.
> "Deposited" files are ALWAYS accepted as gospel by those who are
> either afraid to stick their heads up and ask the questions or too
> lazy to verify the information - and ALL of us fit that last category
> at one time or another. We had errors in the original information
> that we put on the list even before we hiked the trail - and we've
> watched some of that erroneous information go through several
> different manifestations by different people over the last several
> years. Some of it is still being propagated. And in fact, some of
> those errors are still contained in the files that are on the Yahoo
> group. We know - cause we just checked on one of them.
> Ask the questions - if you trust the files, then you'll be setting
> yourself up for an "adventure." And "adventures" only happen to those
> who have failed to adequately prepare. They're NOT something to brag
> Data repositories are only as good as the data that's deposited. Been
> there - many times - and been burned - many times. In many different
> contexts. <G>
> Trust - but verify.
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
>> From: Paul Magnanti <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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>> Subject: [cdt-l] re: CDT Yahoo group
>> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
>> I believe Jon's plan is more of a depository of CDT
>> info. (HEy..check out that link for this map...go this
>> link for the town info...).
>> Having checked out the site, seems more of a central
>> place to grab files and such. The discussion will
>> still be here. Those of us doing the CDT next year
>> will have plenty of questions to ask the CDT veterans
>> in the next few months! :-)
>> We could always do a web site with the files..but
>> Yahoo does make a nice "quick and dirty" place to
>> store and retrieve files. As it is public (no need to
>> subscribe), anyone can download the needed files
>> without getting massive spam from Yahoo.
>> Think of it as another CDT website that can be an
>> addition to the main source of info, the CDT-L.
>> (ps..this reminds me Jim..I need to mail back the
>> video! Where did the time go?!?!?! :O)
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