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[cdt-l] re: CDT Yahoo group



and don't believe any thing jim says it is all unreliable

Ginny & Jim Owen wrote:

> LOL!!! -
>
> Mags - the only problem with "depositing files" is that you'd better 
> be really careful about what info you take out of those files.  When 
> Lynne shot the video footage, the resupply info was up to date - by 
> the time he published the video (less than 4 months after he 
> interviewed us), much of that resupply info was obsolete and 
> incorrect.  That's why the only reliable (and that word contains a 
> large margin of error) information is what you get directly from those 
> who hiked the trail last year - or are hiking it THIS year.  And even 
> that should be treated with a massive level of paranoia.  We had many, 
> many surprises along the way - and we beat the bushes for detailed, 
> up-to-date information right up until the time we left for Montana.  
> I'd have a great distrust of any information that was "deposited" 
> anyplace.  I'd want to "talk" to the people who collected AND 
> experienced that information before I'd trust it - and even then the 
> "trust level" wouldn't be more than 50% because of the "subjective" 
> and constantly changing nature of the info.  That's why the list is 
> the best possible data source.
>
> When we got off the trail we put out a lot of information that 
> reflected our experience on the CDT.  Hikers the next year told us 
> that, in several cases, already the situation had changed or had been 
> in error (i.e. zip codes that were changed in a later version of the 
> town list, but not in the original one that was used by a lot of 
> folks). Water sources had dried up or wells been turned off, stores or 
> restaurants had opened and closed, trail angels were busy living their 
> lives and no longer had time for taking care of hikers.  How much more 
> would that be true for hikers two or three years down the line?  We 
> have steered hikers to the information we put on CDT-L in 2000, but we 
> tell them also to read the many caveats and amendments put out by 
> other hikers on the list.  When we said "Go to Salmon" others said, 
> "Try Sula instead."  Where we said, "No grocery at Macks Inn", others 
> said, "Well, if you go a few miles further, you can find one."  The 
> more voices, the better the chance of getting some accuracy, 
> especially in a constantly changing trail environment.
>
> "Deposited" files are ALWAYS accepted as gospel by those who are 
> either afraid to stick their heads up and ask the questions or too 
> lazy to verify the information - and ALL of us fit that last category 
> at one time or another.  We had errors in the original information 
> that we put on the list even before we hiked the trail - and we've 
> watched some of that erroneous information go through several 
> different manifestations by different people over the last several 
> years.  Some of it is still being propagated.  And in fact, some of 
> those errors are still contained in the files that are on the Yahoo 
> group.  We know - cause we just checked on one of them.
>
> Ask the questions - if you trust the files, then you'll be setting 
> yourself up for an "adventure."  And "adventures" only happen to those 
> who have failed to adequately prepare.  They're NOT something to brag 
> about.
>
> Data repositories are only as good as the data that's deposited.  Been 
> there - many times - and been burned - many times.  In many different 
> contexts.  <G>
>
> Trust - but verify.
>
> Jim
>
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>> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: cdt-l@backcountry.net, pmags@yahoo.com
>> To: cdt-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>> Subject: [cdt-l] re: CDT Yahoo group
>> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I believe Jon's plan is more of a depository of CDT
>> info. (HEy..check out that link for this map...go this
>> link for the town info...).
>>
>> Having checked out the site, seems more of a central
>> place to grab files and such. The discussion will
>> still be here. Those of us doing the CDT next year
>> will have plenty of questions to ask the CDT veterans
>> in the next few months! :-)
>>
>> We could always do a web site with the files..but
>> Yahoo does make a nice "quick and dirty" place to
>> store and retrieve files. As it is public (no need to
>> subscribe), anyone can download the needed files
>> without getting massive spam from Yahoo.
>>
>> Think of it as another CDT website that can be an
>> addition to the main source of info, the CDT-L.
>>
>>
>> Mags
>>
>> (ps..this reminds me Jim..I need to mail back the
>> video! Where did the time go?!?!?! :O)
>
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