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[cdt-l] Packing Pepper Spray



I'll also have to mention that it is not true that a can of bear spray
gurantees you will not get attacked

On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Dave Fales wrote:

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> well I dsiagree I have a lot more eexperince with bears and you can't
> beat bear spray I have seen more then enough peopel chased by bear with
> bells. I have worked in all the major parks int his area dn the forest
> and can aof bear spray is not that heavy and your gurnteed to not get
> atacked
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> James McCreight wrote:
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> >I am of the opposite opinion on this. I lived in MT for 5 years, have
> >spent a perty large amount of time in GNP and the Bob as well as
> >yellowstone. I have never carried pepper spray at any time and I did alot
> >of solo trips. I carried bear bells for a while but those get really
> >annoying fast so I keep them as backup for when my voice goes hoarse,
> >plus I doubt they are really that effective.
> >My opinion is that you just have to be smart about it. A bear dosent want
> >a confrontation, it just wants food and wants to not feel threatened. If
> >you can see well in front of you and arround you and there is no griz then
> >you are safe. It you are walking through the forest or going around a bend
> >in the trail where you cant see you had better be making some noise. Also
> >keep the wind in mind. If the wind is at your back it is helping to warn
> >bears down the trail that you are coming by providing your scent and
> >sound. If the wind is blowing the other way or blowing really hard you've
> >got to be really cautious. As far as making noise, a combination of
> >clapping and loud talking helps save the voice. Any kind of noise maker is
> >a good idea especially if it's another person.. going solo is hard on the
> >voice.
> >I still remember this one time I was coming down from Hole-in-the-wall in
> >GNP, the day after seeing a momma griz and two cubs, and I was rapping the
> >lyrics of a sublime song perty loudly for my entertainment and that of the
> >bears when these other hikers appeared around the bend in the trail... so
> >embarassing! A few days later on that trip, at fifty mountain, some idiot
> >who had bear spray saw a griz about 300 yards from camp. He was so freaked
> >out that he ran back to camp and was shouting how he saw a bear with his
> >arms up as he accidentally pulled the trigger for an instant, an instant
> >that sent a cloud of cayenne right at me and my tent. He's lucky I didnt
> >maul him when I was able to breathe right again.
> >Call me an idealist but I think attitude (and smarts) is everything. If
> >you are terrified of the bear the bear will know something is wrong. If
> >you are calm the bear will be too. I guess the most important thing is to
> >make sure you feel safe, if the spray does it for you then great.
> >Also note that if you plan on going into Canada, they have regulations on
> >which bear sprays they will allow across the border. If you drive to
> >Waterton you may have to leave your spray at cheif mountain customs. Thats
> >a pain in the ass if you're planning on crossing the lake to Goat Haunt to
> >start your trip. I could be wrong but I think counter assualt is one they
> >dont let in... a friend of mine had to leave his counter assualt
> >there. You'll want to check with customs to believe me on this one.
> >best wishes
> >J
> >
> >On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Dave Fales wrote:
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> >
> >>you should have it for all secttion if you get malled by a bear or have
> >>problms the ranger we make you there joke.  When  I worked in
> >>yellowsoten park we alwys laughed at idiots that got atacked with out
> >>bear spray you can clip it on the outside of the pack and then you never
> >>have to worry you have it.
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> >>Doug and Sue wrote:
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> >>>Do most CDT hikers pack pepper spray for the Yellowstone/MT section of the
> >>>trail?  If so, what brand?
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