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Oh, well I found a trail north of the Smokemont campground and hiked
anyway. A pretty wet, cold but otherwise lovely day ;-) 

Have a great week all.

    milt webb - iq software corporation - 3295 river exchange drive
     norcross, georgia usa 30092 - 770/446-8880x245 - www.iqsc.com

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Date:          Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:25:00 -0600 (CST)

at-l-digest          Sunday, November 9 1997          Volume 01 : Number 451

In this issue:

    [at-l] New trail name
    [at-l] Re: Binocs
    Re: [at-l] smokies
    [at-l] South Bounders


Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:15:34 -0500
From: "Alice Kauzlarich" <kauzlar@madison.main.nc.us>
Subject: [at-l] New trail name

I have been considering a more appropriate trail name since I no longer
live in Illinois.
(Of course I might end up back in IL in a few years!)  I now live in the
mts. of NC.  My trail name was IL Flatlander, so I was thinking of changing
it to HIGHLANDER.  Is there anyone else on this list with that name?  I
don't particularly care if there is another Highlander out there somewhere,
but don't want to have another on the list.  I also have Scotch in my
blood, so thought it might be appropriate.

ALice-- Highlander
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 11:01:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Dave DeCroix <decroix@brunt.meas.ncsu.edu>
Subject: [at-l] Re: Binocs

> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:40:32 -0500
> From: kahlena <kahley7@ptd.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Binocs???
> Binoculars....
> I've had a bunch over the years...Big and heavy, monocs weighing 1oz.,
> 'spy' scopes of 12 power that needed to be set in cement to steady them.
> The newest ones I'm considering are TITANIUM 8X10 under 6 oz (or so I'm
> told) with ruby coated lenses.  Is this coating a gimmick?  What is it's
> purpose?  Thanks              Kahley


We just got a pair of biniculars as an early Christmas present.  They are
the Minolta compact 10x25 and they weigh 9.5oz in the case (case=1oz).
We compared these to the REI version and the Minolta had much better
optics, clearer, etc.  I think the latest catalog from REI had these
on sale.  Yes, here it is: p. 83 of the Holiday 1997 catalog, they're
on sale for $99.  We've been very pleased with them.  Just thought you
might want something to compare to.  Happy shopping!

Best Regards,

"Walk quietly away in any direction...
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.
Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees,
the winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their
energies, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves."  --John Muir

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:30:02 -0600
From: Pete Fornof <athiker@plantnet.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] smokies

Ken Bennett wrote:

> 1. Can anyone recommend your favorite 3-day, 25-35 mile loop hike in
> the
> park, preferably using some of the AT?

The Mt. Sterling loop suggested earlier is a good one. There are several
loops suggested in "The Brown Book", a relatively new guidebook for the
Smokies, published by the GS Natural History people. I also like
starting at Cades Cove going up to the AT via Anthony Creek/Bote Mtn.
Trail loop. Stay at Russell Field or Spence Field, then come back down.
That wouldn't satisfy your mileage requirements, however. You could hike
further on the AT and come down further east, but you would have to
hitch back to Cades.

> 2. Are the car campgrounds still open? I will probably drive down
> Friday
> afternoon, and need a cheap place to sleep for the night. How about a
> cheap-but-decent motel?

I would call the Park. They have been closing most of the car
campgrounds each winter for lack of funds. A real cheap motel in
Gatlinburg that many thru-hikers stay in is the Willow Motel. It's
pretty spartan, but it will do.

> 3. How about an opinion on a specific hike: Start at Davenport Gap,
> hike
> south on the AT to Cosby Knob shelter for the first night, then on to
> Big
> Cove Gap  and left on the Balsam Mtn trail to the Laurel Gap shelter
> for the
> second night, then any one of several trails back to the car (Gunter
> Fork,
> Sterling Ridge, Big Creek trails). That's 8 miles, 14 miles, and about
> 12
> miles on day 3. Is this reasonable given the elevation gain and the
> short
> day length? (I'm in okay shape, and these distances wouldn't bother me
> in
> central VA.)

I've not done this specific loop, but let me tell you that a good rule
of thumb for the Smokies is 8 to 10 miles a day if you are doing side
trails. Remember, you are hiking in the winter with shorter days and you
have the real possibility of bad weather, which will slow you down. You
tend to get started later (at least I do, 'cause it's too cold to get
out of the bag!) and the cold does indeed sap your energy. In the
winter, I'd plan mileage conservatively.

> 4. I still need reservations for the shelters, right? How crowded is
> the
> park in November? How's the weather? The bears?

You always need reservations for shelters in the Smokies. You can make
reservations up to 30 days in advance. Call the park office reservations
number, which is listed. (sorry, I don't have it handy)I've had 70
degree weather on Thanksgiving in the Smokies, at elevation. I've also
experienced blizzard condtions. I'd take cold weather gear. Bear
activity is really reduced but there's always the chance that some
procrastinator bear is still roaming around looking for food.  Hang your

I wasn't surprised to see Tom Fort replying to your message. He's an old
Smokies hand and I would listen to his advice. I would also check out
the library for hiking guides for GSMNP. Get some of the later guides
published in 95 and 96. These will give you most of the info you need.
Have a great time!

- --
Peter H. Fornof

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:06:32 -0500
From: "Charles W. Davidson" <wb4pan@mindspring.com>
Subject: [at-l] South Bounders

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HI Gang;

    If anyone spots Gypsyman, Elvis, or Uncle Chauncy please let me
know. I met these guys on my last MA-VT hike. They should be in Virginia
now. I would like to meet them
as they pass thru- VA. Also if anyone hears from Blades (north bound on
Long Trail) please let me know.

Thanks chase

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