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[at-l] at-l-digest V1 #435
at-l-digest Friday, October 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 435
In this issue:
Re: [at-l] Mighty Mighty Tyvek
[at-l] Tarp size and construction
Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
[at-l] graylock sunday
Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
[at-l] Re: Philosophy
RE: [at-l] Gorp Receipes
[at-l] re: selfish?
Re: [at-l] re: selfish?
[at-l] Thru-Porcupine Spotted!
Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
[at-l] Where's Pedro
Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
Re: [at-l] Thru-Porcupine Spotted!
[at-l] Re: Florida Hiking
Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
[at-l] Re: Florida Hiking
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:29:38 -0400
From: kahlena <kahley7@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Mighty Mighty Tyvek
Justin - wrote:
>
> Hi, I have a question about Tyvek. Does anybody know how it stands
> up against hail? Perhaps one could fashion a pretty nifty pack cover
> out of it.
Probably better than me!<g> But I don't know how to test it since it
doesn't rain in Pa any more, let alone hail.
BTW...thanks bunches for 'planting' aother goofy song in my head.
What a tarp What a tarp What a tarp What a mighty, mighty good tarp.
scuse me Pepper<g>
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:31:38 -0400
From: kahlena <kahley7@ptd.net>
Subject: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
Hiya all,
Looking for feed back on the following:
Given..At 5'4', I feel I want 7ft of dry space, lenghtwise under my
tarp.
Given..I may want to hole up for a period under my tarp so I need to
be able to sit up.
Given..based on my experiences last summer, (when it actually rained
in PA.) the last foot, for sure, and depending on rain intensity and
wind velocity, the last two feet of the open end/ends of a tarped
area are subject to rain/splash.
Lowering the end of the tarp from which the rain is coming can reduce
the rain/splash zone, but wind direction can change.
7ft.+2ft.+2ft.=11ft.
Under this configuration, the 2ft on either end of the tarp is
wasted. So that's 2x2x however wide your tarp is of wasted weight.
I thought, closing in the ends might actually save weight in the
long run. Plus provide better wind protection.
This is the reason for the Tyvek/glue quest. By cutting
triangular pieces and attaching them 3 in. in from the edge of the
tarp, about 3in. down from either side of the ridge line, and
again at 1ft. and the bottom, the actual tarp size could safely
be reduced to 8ft long rather than 11ft. The three in. inset
would provide a protected overhang to allow air circulation.
The mid point attachment would allow a bit of a view in gentler
rains. The triangles I use are of a greater angle than my typical
tarp angle. EX. Tarp angle of 90 degree, end panel of 140 degrees.
I used my staffs to provide a 'ridge for the end panels so they
are shaped like a vestibule resulting in a six sided structure,
which channels the rain further from me. Most of this is conjecture
since it refuses to rain so I can test it.
My current glue plan is pieces of the double sided carpet tape
and stick velcro to it.
Geez, I just read over this thing, and despite my best efforts,
I can barely make sense of it.<<sigh>> If you can, and have any
comments, I'd sure like to hear them. Thanks Kahley
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:54:40 -0400
From: Tim Hewitt <thewitt@spf.nsc.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
Hi,
kahlena wrote:
[clip]
> My current glue plan is pieces of the double sided carpet tape
> and stick velcro to it.
There is some discussion going on about using Tyvek for sails in
rec.boats.building, and it seems that the most common method for securing
Tyvek is to use the tape for that purpose that homecenters sell. Apparently it
bonds to Tyvek extremely well. I don't know if it would work well
Tyvek-to-other plastic, but it's probably going to be better than carpet tape.
By the way, there are apparently two or more Tyvek products on the market. One
is woven and the other not. One passes water, the other does not. Sorry, I
don't know which is which :).
- -Tim (Paddler GA>ME 99)
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:54:11 -0400
From: kahlena <kahley7@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
Tim Hewitt wrote:
One
> is woven and the other not. One passes water, the other does not. Sorry, I
> don't know which is which :).
Thanks for the tip Tim!
BTW...Under ten power magnification, my Tyvek is clearly woven.
That is not to say that all woven Tyvek is waterproof, but mine is.
So be selective. Kahley
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:32:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: MARTY46ER@aol.com
Subject: [at-l] graylock sunday
hi all -
even though the weather looks iffy for the area, we're hoping to climb
graylock, MA sunday. can anybody from the immediate area give us a last
minute read on conditions - maybe saturday afternoon so we can make a go/no
go decision? i'm particularly interested in hearing if there might be ice on
top.
mail direct, so we don't overload the list?
thanks loads,
short job
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:39:08 -0500 (EST)
From: ssharpe@WELLESLEY.EDU (Sharon Sharpe)
Subject: Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
Kahley,
So when you come out with your new product, an ultralite, waterproof,
breathable tent of one-layer tyvek, how much will you be charging? I am
also 5'4" so sign me up to get one! Or better yet, I'll contribute to your
start-up cost and we'll be RICH, I tell you! RICH!! The hiking world will
beat a path (or rather a trail) to our door! We can test her in MA since
it rains on a regular basis.
I can't quite picture your construction from your post, however it sounds
like you have come up with my perfect tent.
Waiting for more details.....
Sharon
Sharon Sharpe
Head Athletic Trainer
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA
ssharpe@wellesley.edu
(781)283-2388
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:21:00 -0400
From: Alan Finger <abfinger@brainiac.com>
Subject: [at-l] Re: Philosophy
Bob Dudley said the Shaker song went:
Tis a joy to be simple
Tis a joy to be free
but I've always heard it:
'Tis the gift to be simple,
'Tis the gift to be free
and the thought of "gift" made me realize what's made me uncomfortable
about all the gnashing of teeth over whether hiking the trail is
"selfish." A friend of mine has always insisted that "giving and
receiving are the same thing." Think about that, and then think about
it some more. If you can accept that, then what have you ever done that
wasn't "selfish?"
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:23:45 -0700
From: Linda Moak <lindam@fallingwater.com>
Subject: RE: [at-l] Gorp Receipes
I'll agree with Lucian about the dried apricots in the gorp. We never =
had a problem with the "cat hole" syndrome. But out of all the other =
ingredients, after a few weeks, the apricots developed some new fuzz =
(mold). Never a big problem, but probably could have been. Also =
noticed that the nuts got a little soft (especially the cashews). =
Probably better to leave your recipe with someone on the homefront, and =
have it made up and sent as you need it - or - only use items which =
won't lose moisture into the rest of the mix.
Linda "Red Rainbow" Moak
Lindam@fallingwater.com
Just be careful about dried apricots in your gorp. I went on a 17.5 =
mile day
hike that included a 4800 ft. vertical climb and descent. I chomped on =
dried
apricots on the way up and wound up leaving little "cat holes" all the =
way
down. Lesson learned. Gotta love that fiber.
Lucian
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:42:52 -0700
From: Michael Henderson <mikeh@royalrobbins.com>
Subject: [at-l] re: selfish?
>> god, give me the strength to accept the things i cannot change
>> courage to change the things i can
>> and the wisdom to know the difference.
>
>and the intelligence to hide the bodies of those who tick me off.
>
>;-)
>
>- --
>S. Schuyler Stultz
after a protracted absence, waterboy chimes in with a sizzlingly cynical
remark. how's it going, schuyler? :)
mike
ke kaahawe AT92 TYT94
mikeh@royalrobbins.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:28:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Schuyler Stultz <schuyler@access.rrinc.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] re: selfish?
> >and the intelligence to hide the bodies of those who tick me off.
>
> after a protracted absence, waterboy chimes in with a sizzlingly cynical
> remark. how's it going, schuyler? :)
>
cynical, me, oneof the ones who occaisionally hikes with Felix?!?! No!!!
you're kidding. ;-)
Well, I just realized that I hadn't told the list yet, but I've relocated
to the Northern VA/DC area from Blacksburg, so whenever anyone wants to
"take a hike" drop me a line and if I'm free, I'll probably join.
(And in that Vein, Snail-No-More and I are thinking of a _short_
overnighter sat-sun Nov 1-2 in the Northern end of SNP if anyone
is interested...)
I'm living with my in-laws to save money while my wife gets her vet technician
certification, so at the moment, spending 6 months in the woods sounds like
a GRAND idea!! ;-) It's not really as bad as I make it out to be, just
a lot of little things add up until I scream, "Thats' it, I'm going
backpacking, see you on Monday!!" ;-)
- --
S. Schuyler Stultz Recognition Research Inc.
schuyler@rrinc.com 2214 Rock Hill Rd Suite 325
(709) 709 6417 Herndon, VA 20170
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 17:03:00 PDT
From: "Nyce, Greg" <GNYCE@wcupa.edu>
Subject: [at-l] Thru-Porcupine Spotted!
on Wednesday, October 22, 1997 11:29AM somebody said...
>And we were just hosts at Ironmaster Mansion to Ranger Jim and
>Pocahontas, Southbounders going from DWG to Ga. (as I recall from their log
entry).
i remember "chatting" with Ranger Jim and Pocahontas early last August at
Pinkham, in part i believe about their passage thru Mahoosic Notch...
Now about these thru-hikers spotted - are you sure it wasn't the hiking
Dalmations...
was that 1001 Dalmations or 1001 spots on the Dalmations...
Anyway, this past weekend's twin nor-easters caused me to venture westward
and hike on the Tuscarora Trail over the turnpike tunnel. As i was in the
middle of the ridge stretch labelled by the guide as "rough and rocky" (and
it was at that) on one of the peaks, i came upon a most amazing sight.
A jet-black creature with 6-8" quills, body the size of a beach ball with a
distinct head and flat fan-like tail, head and tail still quill-covered but
slightly less densely than the main body. Since the ridge was narrow and
steep and i was approaching from the south direction, this really only left
one option for this curious creature. i was surprised by how seemingly slow
this animal moved and i think i could have actually caught it (if i had been
"that crazy"). i closed to within 10 feet several times and the looks the
animal kept turning around and giving were absolutely priceless and
curiousity obviously was present in both directions.
It really sorta reminded me of "the horta" in the original Star Trek and was
actually about half the size which in animal terms is "not small". In order
to resume moving, this porcupine would raise itself and then sorta shuffle
with its quills making sorta a russling sound. After about 5 start/stops
this Porcupine did finally leave the trail and descend to the west. A
series of incredible photo-ops. Can these animals actually throw their
quills or is the only real danger if one should actually come in contact
with it ???
And what is this thread about thruhiker shellfish - shellfish live in the
ocean and... what... oh.... Selfish...
...Nevermind....
actually if selfishness is carried to its logical end which would be what -
living the fullest, best possible life one can... which would mean - being a
caring, giving, considerate, honest, interesting, at least somewhat social
individual then it really doesn't sound like such a bad thing for an
individual or "their world".
The short-sighted "gimme gimme" philosophy (rude drivers on the road come to
mind) isn't really "true selfishness" - its just gross stupidity and people
"jipping themselves" out of what they otherwise could be. In other words,
intelligent selfishness might just be best manifest in "managed
selflessness"...
Rambling on - Happy Trails,
Running Bear -
Downingtown PA - gnyce@wcupa.edu
Harper's Ferry to High Point - completed Sept '97
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:27:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: MManzano@aol.com
Subject: Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
In a message dated 97-10-23 17:55:02 EDT, kahley7@ptd.net (kahlena) writes:
<< Geez, I just read over this thing, and despite my best efforts,
I can barely make sense of it.<<sigh>> If you can, and have any
comments, I'd sure like to hear them. >>
Kahley, you should have been a rocket scientist! I don't understand it, but
it sure sounds smart :-)
Marty
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:07:14 -0400
From: kahlena <kahley7@ptd.net>
Subject: [at-l] Where's Pedro
And little Pennypacker struggles thru the snow, her eyes straining
for any site of her beloved. A hulking figure emerges from the white.
It's Bertha, the big boned girl.
Has Bertha brought word of Milo and his crew?
Will the parapackers summit the big K?
Will little Penny ever see her Pedro again?
Only one person knows and he's not talkin!
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:13:19 -0400
From: kahlena <kahley7@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Tarp size and construction
MManzano@aol.com wrote:
>
> Kahley, you should have been a rocket scientist!
Oh yeah...there's a thought for bedtime! Me...designing rockets full
of plutonium. HA! Can we say 'duck and cover'
Sweet dreams everyone! Kahley
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:38:07 +0000
From: "Tom Ha" <tomha@epix.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Thru-Porcupine Spotted!
I must correct myself. It's Ranger Smith and Pocahontas going ME -
GA who stopped in most recently. It was Lucky who is sectioning from
DWG to Ga. Lucky was lucky, he stopped by after my son's Tiger Scout
group had been here, and managed to down 5 or so hot dogs and
trimmings.
Ranger Smith and Pocahontas were in early a.m. to clean up and
make themselves pancakes.