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at-l-digest Friday, May 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 265
In this issue:
[at-l] road to Deep Gap, NC
[at-l] Re: Sneakers
Re: [at-l] road to Deep Gap, NC
Re: [at-l] road to Deep Gap, NC
[at-l] Hot Diggity "Do
[at-l] Solophile Journal Entries [Apr24-29]
[at-l] Monty Python and Hiking
[at-l] Klipspringer in Hot Springs
[at-l] Re: Sneakers
[at-l] sneakers
[at-l] All the Way's Journal (4/14- 4/20)
Re: [at-l] Sneakers
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 05:46:41 -0500
From: Joey Parker <jparker@dbtech.net>
Subject: [at-l] road to Deep Gap, NC
My son and I are planning a 50 mile section hike from Neels Gap to Deep
Gap, NC in mid-May.
The trail guide to NC-GA says there is a road access to Deep Gap, NC that
is at the end of a 6 mile, one-lane, gravel Forest Service road (USFS 71).
Access to this road is just west of the Clay-Macon county line off US 64.
1) Is this road easily traveled by a car/pickup?
2) Is the entrance to the road **easily** found from US 64?
Thanks in advance for any input.
Joey Parker
Tuscaloosa, AL
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 09:04:39 -0600 (CST)
From: lainn@ten-nash.ten.k12.tn.us
Subject: [at-l] Re: Sneakers
I use Nike Pegasus to do most of my hiking in. The positives are as you
stated. The negatives are I have to be more careful about mud puddles, and
I seem to have more control with boots in steep off trail downhills.
Another positive is getting the good natured flack from my hiking partners
for hiking in running shoes. Some of them can't believe it.
Mike Lain
On Wed, 7 May 1997, A.S.Meislahn wrote:
> Calling all sneaker Hikers,
>
> I decided to go the sneaker route while hiking. Just about any pair of
> boots I've ever worn have given me blisters after walking/hiking several
> miles even after I thought the boots were broken in. So I went and
> bought a pair of Nike Gridstar Crosstrainers, put on a 35lb pack and
> took of on a day hike thru an area of the AT here in New York that has
> just about every kind of terrain. The sneakers held up great, no
> blisters, the sneakers being lighter left me with more control and more
> feel of the ground under me. I've done the same hike with boots and I
> had alot more energy left in my tank when the hike was over.
> I'm interested in finding out the other types of sneakers that other
> sneaker hikers wear and any other positives as well as negatives of
> sneaker hiking.
>
> Andy (Brown Hawk)
>
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 12:40:25 -0400
From: Oscar Mills <omills@dnet.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] road to Deep Gap, NC
Joey Parker wrote:
>
> My son and I are planning a 50 mile section hike from Neels Gap to Deep
> Gap, NC in mid-May.
>
> The trail guide to NC-GA says there is a road access to Deep Gap, NC that
> is at the end of a 6 mile, one-lane, gravel Forest Service road (USFS 71).
> Access to this road is just west of the Clay-Macon county line off US 64.
>
> 1) Is this road easily traveled by a car/pickup?
>
> 2) Is the entrance to the road **easily** found from US 64?
>
> Thanks in advance for any input.
>
> Joey Parker
> Tuscaloosa, AL
>
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I've been dropped off at Deep Gap twice and the road was in good
condition both times. It is a ok road to go by car the times I wnt.
There was a good, fairly large parking and turn around area right at the
A.T. The USFS Rd 71 goes about 6 miles to the A.T. FROM u.s.# 64, the
best I can tell from my map. Also my map shows another road that turns
off to the right after a few miles in - Be sure and stay LEFT to
continue on USFS Rd 71. I don't remember the road that turner right but
we would have been following the guide on our map anyway (Nantahala
National Forest - N.C. map).
We fount the entrance to USFS Rd 71 off U.S. 64 easy. It is maybe 1/2
mile from the Clay/Macon county line (in Clay cnty). We probably
measured the approx. distance from Rainbow Springs and the Nantahala
River, West about 2 miles to USFS rd 71.
It is easy to see all this on my map - I hope this helps some.
Happy Hikine, -Millo- (U.of A. '57, now Maggie Valley, N.C.)
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:20:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Milt Webb, IQ Software" <milt@iqsc.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] road to Deep Gap, NC
On Thu, 8 May 1997, Oscar Mills wrote:
> > 1) Is this road easily traveled by a car/pickup?
> Joey Parker wrote...
> I've been dropped off at Deep Gap twice and the road was in good
> condition both times. It is a ok road to go by car the times I wnt.
> ...
The last time I was at Deep Gap there were all sorts of cars, including a
Lexus and a Mercedes... I hiked in via the Kimsey Cr. Trail from the
campground so I can't say much about the road condition. You should be
able to get there in any vehicle...
I will say those long, one-lane gravel roads make me crazy when you meet
someone coming toward you...
Oh yeah, hi everyone - been out of town (business, not hiking...)
Milt
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"I want to stand upon a rock and watch the river flow
With the blue sky above me and the valley down below
I want to hold my head up high and listen to the wind
Because when it's gone - it won't be back again."
-"When it's Gone" by Jimmy Fadden/Don Schlitz
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:45:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Will Strickland <gt0556d@prism.gatech.edu>
Subject: [at-l] Hot Diggity "Do
Yeeesss!
My feathed friends bag showed up on my doorstep yesterday and let me tell
you........it's worth the money! This thing is ridiculously light, gore
dryloft shell, packs down TINY. What more could I ask for?! Top notch
construction, great loft, rave reviews, no unnecessry "features". This
company is about making equipment to USE! A dry shell, down, +20 degree
rated, under 2 lb! bag for $343 delivered to your door. A little pricey,
but this thing has got to be the dream backpacking bag if there ever were
one.
On another note, I'm making my final shopping excursion in about two hours
to go to Sam`s Club where I'll get alot of my food, film, etc. So I still
have to address my maildrop labels, dry and package alot of food, finish
my tentative itenerary (for maildrop planning purposes), and move all of
my stuff out of my house. Not to mention, find someone to take over my
lease, finish out this school quarter, get in a few more weekends of rock
climbing.
38 days to go and the nerves are getting frayed, but luckily I'm ahead of
schedule.
Take care, (By the way, I'm typing all this naked, watching my dog trying
deperately to get loose from the rope I tied him with so he can chase the
albino squirrell that just cut ndown my shrubbery with a herring. Luckily
Peggy just showed up with an umbrella full of beans, that should at least
keep my dog busy eating for a while so at least he`ll quit barking. In the
mean time. adios.........)
Will Strickland -ANTELOPE- ME->GA '97
"May the four winds blow you safely home..."
-- Grateful Dead--
Internet: gt0556d@prism.gatech.edu
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Date: 08 May 1997 14:18 EDT
From: "Andrew Markham" <markham@nortel.ca>
Subject: [at-l] Solophile Journal Entries [Apr24-29]
I just got these (mail must get slow in Virginia ;^) and will
be posting a couple more in a day or two.
Enjoy!
- --
Andy Markham
markham@nortel.com
Signaling Server Group
Nortel, Inc.
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April 24 - Day 45
9.9 mi to Damascus, VA - 450.3 mi cum
It's amazing how much difference a town day can make on the speed with which
people break camp. Despite the rain, everybody was breaking camp early. Micah
and I were on the trail by 7:45. It was a pretty cool, wet morning, but the
thought of a shower and clean dry clothes really fueled our steps.
We crossed into Virginia at about 10. I was looking for a spectacular fanfare
of a sign to go along with my joy at crossing this milepost, but it was a
pretty low key kind of welcome - a sign for the Mount Rogers Recreation Area
with the letters VA/TN penciled in on one of the supporting legs. It was still
quite an accomplishment for me, and I was all smiles the remaining 3.5 miles
into Damascus.
I walked the last few miles with Shadow. He's an Outward Bound leader who
alternates homes between the Everglades of Florida in the winter and the
mountains of North Carolina in the summer. We arrived in town a little after
11 and within the first block of town I ran into Fireball and Wapiti. It's
so nice to unexpectedly see people you've met at one point or another further
up the trail.
My first stop was the post office. I had several letters waiting for me
there, including letters from Dee, Regina, Andy, Brent, Parthena, and a
postcard from Patty and Never Ready. Every town stop is like a mini Christmas
for me and I really enjoy all the letters I receive.
Next it was on to the laundry, where I hung out for a few hours with Fireball,
CopperTop, Motha Bird, and a few other hikers while we listened to some really
great music on the juke box.
My friend Tom was to be driving out from Raleigh to meet me. We met at Dot's
and then went on to Abingdon for the night. I actually went to see a movie
in Bristol! The movie house was in a mall and it felt so odd to walk through
fancy dresses and high-heeled shoes looked so alien, but I have to admit I
had a slight pang of longing for some more feminine attire than my fleece
and Teva sandals. (Don't worry, it was very short lived)
April 25 - Day 46
0 miles
A typical town day off. Tom and I got breakfast and then headed over to
The Place, the hotel in Damascus, to hang out with all the other hikers. I
did some cleaning and maintenance on all my gear, the traditional postcard
writing session, and spent way too much money at the outfitters in town.
Tom headed back to Raleigh at about 3 and Gypsy and I headed for the Town
Hall where we had heard there were some computers available for hikers to
use to access the Internet. It really was quite an impressive setup and we
played around for about an hour.
More and more hikers kept coming in off the trail. Stringer, Peter Pan, Al,
Chisel and Puget Pounder were some of the new arrivals. Puget had pulled a
33 mile day to make it in to town today!
Chisel is a hiker I hadn't met before. He's a middle-aged guy from GA who's
doing the trail purely as a physical challenge. He didn't start the trail
until early April and had already covered 450 miles - which means he's
averaging around 25 miles per day since he's only hiking 6 days a week!
Everybody out here does the trail a little differently. I doubt I'll be
seeing Chisel again.
April 26 - Day 47
0 miles
Well, I had thought about leaving town today, but I'm really enjoying myself
too much to leave already. A large group of us went to Dot's for lunch and
it turned into a 4 hour sit-in by the time we all got our orders. We got
to listen to 34 songs on the juke box. On the accomplishment for the day
side, Puget, Peter Pan, Fireball and I did walk a couple of miles on the
Virginia Creeper Trail with Micah. Also, one of the neighbors loaned us a
TV and VCR for helping him move a piano this afternoon, so we got to watch
some movies tonight, too.
April 27 - Day 48
0 miles (AGAIN!)
I just don't want to leave this place. Fireball was even ambitious enough
to have his pack loaded and he hauled it with him to breakfast at TKs. When
he found out Gypsy and I were taking ANOTHER day off, all his ambition
magically disappeared and he hauled his pack right back to The Place.
A friend of Gypsy's was visiting today and he drove Gypsy, Fireball, and
myself into Bristol, TN. Gypsy was looking for new boots at the outfitters
there and Fireball and I went for a ride.
Chops, Two Ton, and Matt Bockol (an AT-L newsgroup member) showed up today.
April 28 - Day 49
15.8 mi to Lost Mtn Shelter - 466.1 mi cum
I think the rain purposefully held off until we'd all left town so that we
wouldn't take yet another day off. A large group of us went to breakfast
at the TK Deli and Fireball, Stringer, and I had our packs sitting outside
ready to go. We had a big, cheap, and mighty tasty breakfast and headed
out under cloudy skies at around 9.
We hadn't walked more than about 15 minutes before a light drizzle started
and thunder sounded off in the distance. Over the next few hours, the rain
would alternate between sporadic droplets to heavy downpour. I didn't even
bother trying to keep myself dry. It was just barely warm enough that I
could walk through it in a t-shirt and shorts without getting too cold.
I had originally only planned on doing 11 or 12 miles today, but I reached
the Saunders Shelter by 1 and Fireball and I talked ourselves into pushing
on. The Saunders Shelter had one of the prettiest settings I'd seen so far.
It's set among some tall pines with a nice bed of pine needles surrounding
it and then there's a pretty meadow clearing off to one side.
The trail was very nice today. The grading was sweet and the footing pretty
nice. There were several sections where it paralleled the Virginia Creeper
Trail and provided nice views and overlooks of Whitetop Laurel Creek. Even
the climb up to Saunders Shelter was nicely grade and switchbacked.
On the portion of the trail that paralleled the Creeper, there were quite a
few fringed Polygala and Beaked Violets blooming. Then as I began to climb
up to Saunders Shelter, Carolina Vetch began to take over.
At the shelter when I arrived were Al, Stringer, Meant 2 Be, Grey Bear, Long
Pig, and a section hiker, Debbie, with her Siberian Husky, Simba. Fireball
soon showed up too. Many of the thru-hikers had taken the Creeper Trail for
much of the way. It's supposed to be more scenic, it's more easily graded,
and it was 4 miles shorter.
I set up my tent and ate dinner, and then broke out the pint of Ben & Jerry's
ice cream that I'd hauled up from town insulated in my sleeping bag. It was
soft, but it was awesome!
April 29 - Day 50
12.2 mi to Thomas Knob Shelter - 478.3 mi cum
It rained most of the night and I could still hear the rain striking the
sides of my tent as late as 7am. I was in no rush to get going and just
turned over and dozed off again. By 8am a funny thing happened - little
spots along the east side of my tent were turning unusually bright. I
peered out the ventilation netting at the top of my tent - was that actually
a blue sky I saw? It was amazing! There was actually a vaguely familiar
yellow-white orb rising in the sky! It was going to be a good day.
The trail was so wet and muddy in some sections that it was actually a
bigger stream at times than some of the water sources listed in the data
books. I didn't care though, it was warm and there were blue skies showing
between the clouds.
The 2000' climb up Whitetop was nicely graded, but very long. Almost the
entire length of the trail from VA601 to the summit was lined with Fringed
Phacelia for as far as the eye could see. At the exposed summit, the
Phacelia gave way to Spring Beauties.
I basked in the sun on top of Buzzard Rock for almost an hour. It was so
nice to have views of the surrounding countryside again.
As I descended Whitetop to the VA600 road crossing. I noticed a large hound
laying in a small clearing off to the side of the trail. He watched Micah
and me as we neared the roadside clearing, but he never moved. Fireball was
relaxing in the sun and I joined him for a while. After about 15 minutes,
the big hound ambled over and joined us. He seemed friendly enough, he had
no collar, and he and Micah hit it off. That's all it took, he was ours.
As Fireball, Micah and I headed off, he followed. I tried to shoo him off,
we tried closing a fence gate before he could pass, Fireball tried to hang
back and physically keep him from following, but it was no use, we had a
new partner.
Thomas Knob Shelter eventually became pretty crowded, but I wanted to stay
in a shelter and not tent since the mud depth surrounding the shelter varied
from 3-6" in depth. Al, Fireball, Long Pig, Grey Bear, Stringer, Meant 2 Be,
2 section hikers, Micah, myself, and the hound now known as "600" all
squeezed in. Luckily, one ofthe section hikers was willing to take "600"
back south with him the next day.
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 13:43:18 -0700
From: Felix <AThiker@smithville.net>
Subject: [at-l] Monty Python and Hiking
Here are a few things I noticed in my weekend's Grail-a-thon:
1. All main charactors wore gaiters/polypropolene long johns.
2. Patsy had an external frame Kelty Tioga without lashing straps.
3. The rabbit character was based on a shelter mouse in Overmountain
Shelter, I believe.
4. 2 of the girls in the Castle Anthrax hiked with me near Tyro, VA.
(Helga and Inga Swenson)
5. The Holy Grail was actually manufactured by MSR. (Rumored to be
Titanium)
6. Several folks at the wedding had umbrellas.
7. The Bridge of Death was similar in construction to the bridge over
Kimberling Creek. (Just a lot older)
8. The Knights Who Say Ni were loosely based on locals in the DMZ.
9. The Old Man from Scene 34... Wingfoot.
10. The plague in the Plague Village was because of a bad PUR filter.
11. The Black Knight had a Eureka One Man Bivy. (He also used ducttape to
tape his arms and legs back on. Is there anything it can't do?)
Sorry!!!!!!!!
- --
Felix
It ain't much, but try http://members.tripod.com/~Felixhikes/index.html
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 22:31:36 +0200
From: Pat Dreyer <pdreyer@ilink.nis.za>
Subject: [at-l] Klipspringer in Hot Springs
Lionel "Klipspringer" Dreyer is in Hot Springs, where he intends to spend
at least one more day, recuperating, putting back some of the 15 lbs he's
lost, trying to allow the balls of his feet time to stop burning and
generally "restoking."
A few days ago, he was so cold, wet and tired of continually going uphill
that he was seriously thinking of quitting... Anyone got any words of
encouragement and advice re his feet that I can pass on for when he calls
tomorrow?
He's linked up with a group of German and Swiss hikers and they meet each
evening, so at least he's got some people to talk to.
Will he make it to Damascus in time for Trail Days? Think that would be a
great experience if he could..
Pat Dreyer
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:39:52 +0100
From: Tom Caggiano <hikenet@interactive.net>
Subject: [at-l] Re: Sneakers
At 11:06 PM -0400 5/7/97, A.S.Meislahn wrote:
>Calling all sneaker Hikers,
>
> I decided to go the sneaker route while hiking. Just about any pair of
>boots I've ever worn have given me blisters after walking/hiking several
>miles even after I thought the boots were broken in. So I went and
>bought a pair of Nike Gridstar Crosstrainers, put on a 35lb pack and
>took of on a day hike thru an area of the AT here in New York that has
>just about every kind of terrain. The sneakers held up great, no
>blisters, the sneakers being lighter left me with more control and more
>feel of the ground under me. I've done the same hike with boots and I
>had alot more energy left in my tank when the hike was over.
> I'm interested in finding out the other types of sneakers that other
>sneaker hikers wear and any other positives as well as negatives of
>sneaker hiking.
>
>Andy (Brown Hawk)
Some negatives on sneakers some of my hiking friends have experienced:
1. Could not walk up a trail that was a "steam" because of the wet weather.
With wickingsocks and gortex boots, the feet always stayed dry as long as
the
water was not over the boot.
2. Had to stay clear of mud but not with the boots, charge right thorough.
3. I also have hiking friends with "ankles" that sprain easy, the hiker
boot served as "support". Stopped sprained ankles.
4. Also going down mountains on rocks, those with soft sneakers, banged their
feet up on the rocks. Lots of rocks on those White Mountains.
5. When wet, some sneakers where slippery on wet, glazed polished rocks.
but one can always slip on Nike Air Kolob, Merrel Manzanillo
sandals for scrambling or a Teva Sandal and let those
toes reallybreathe. If your really into nature's best shoe, build up those
callouses can go barefoot!
tom "hikenet" caggiano
http://members.aol.com/hikenet
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 20:28:30 -0800
From: prider@epix.net (The Riders)
Subject: [at-l] sneakers
I hike mostly in sneakers and find I really prefer them. However, I have a
short wide foot and seem to have a lot of problems with boot fit. My
sneaker of choice is New Balance for the arch support and wide toe box.
They are great. I try to get models with as much mesh body and removable
inserts and they always seem to dry out quickly.
Patty
Eagles Mere, PA
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 20:26:28 -0400
From: bob & jan <deer@epix.net>
Subject: [at-l] All the Way's Journal (4/14- 4/20)
Hi Everybodee,
Here's a few more of Bob's journal entries:)
Jan
Monday 4/14 Derrick Knob Shelter to Mt. Collins Shelter 13.5 miles
Incredible Day! Reached Clingman's Dome 6,643 feet, the highest point on
the AT. After a cold morning hike. The Smokies are truly spectacular.
If it wasn't for the time constraint involved with a thru-hike I could
easily spend weeks or months here. It is supposed to be very cold again
tonight. Hot water Nalgene at my feet. (Warm feet all nite and liquid
water for morning tea/breakfast.) I hiked alone, thinking about Janice
all day. Met Rufus, Captain Spalding, ( note from Jan: I misspelled
Captain Spalding's trail name in the last entries ! Sorry Capt.)and
Bones at the tower on Clingman's then again at the shelter- spent over
an hour on Clingman's enjoying the views and talking to the tourists.
Also here tonite are the Brothers, from Alabama and a Smokies only local
hiker (former 82nd Airborne), who is just starting a chiropractic
practice. Very tired. Gotta go...
All the Way
Tuesday 4/15 Mt. Collins Shelter to Pecks Corner Shelter 14.9 miles
Most Spectacular Day ... yet! Full shelter tonite. Thru hikers and
many mice. Almost time to crash- 8:30 P.M. Rufus is busy killing
(hunting ???) mice. Smokies are very beautiful... must come back here
to wander aimlessly for a month or so!
All the Way
Wednesday 4/16 Pecks Corner Shelter to Crosby Knob Shelter 12.9 miles
Nice Day of Hiking, mostly ridge walking with gradual ups and downs.
Elevation was fairly constant at about 6,000 feet. The trail could use
some maintenance in this area. Lots of blow downs rendering the trail
nearly impassable in several spots. Still enjoying spectacular views.
Grape Ape, Rusted Root, Peggy-O, Yokel, Mr. Mingo, Grizzly, Landshark,
and Yahoola (all thru hikers) are here for tonite.
All the Way
Thursday 4/17 Crosby Knob Shelter to Davenport Gap Shelter 7.1 miles
Last night in the Smokies! Woke up to several inches of snow this
morning... Very,very beautiful. Very easy day of hiking even with the
snow and then mud at lower elevations. Everybody that I've been hiking
with through the Smokies has headed for Mountain Momma's except for
Yokel, who is headed for Hot Springs (trying to get there by 10:30 A.M.
Saturday for the post office). Several folks who were behind caught up
here and are in for the night: Turtle, Sam, Mother Nature, Hot Legs, and
a local section hiker carrying 95 pounds! All are headed to Mountain
Momma's tomorrow except for me-it's on to Hot Springs.
In the snow today, I saw the tracks from deer, bear, fox, and hare.
Solitude is getting much easier to find.
Very, very cold and windy tonite- somewhere in the teens...hot water
Nalgene is in the bag tonite!
Looking forward to hiking tomorrow. I feel like I'm finally in my
element. I love the woods!
All the Way
Friday 4/18 Davenport Gap Shelter to Roaring Fork Shelter 21.9 miles
Good Miles! Max Patch was incredible! Beautiful views-extremely high
winds...had to hang on to my walking stick so it wouldn't blow out of my
hand. In the shelter tonite: Jason (the man from Galilee), Night Wind,
Pan, Mr. Mingo, Peggy-O, Lady Bug, Otter, Yahoola, Rufus, and Nigel
(formerly Cpt. Spalding). A full house -Great people!
All the Way
Saturday 4/19 Roaring Fork Shelter to Hot Springs 14.4 miles
Lots of activity in the shelter last night... many there had just done
their first 20 mile day recently. There was a lot of conversation about
how beautiful the hike has been so far. Rufus, Night Wind, Nigel, and
Yahoola got up at 2 A.M. to get to Hot Springs before the post office
closed this morning.
All the Way
Sunday 4/20
Hot Springs
No Miles
No journal
All the Way
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:10:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: MRNGLORY96@aol.com
Subject: Re: [at-l] Sneakers
Andy (Brown Hawk) writes:
> I'm interested in finding out the other types of sneakers that other
> sneaker hikers wear and any other positives as well as negatives of
> sneaker hiking.
In my 96' thru hike i used New Balance 555 Trail shoes from Bear
Mountain, NY to Hanover, NH. I found them to be very comfortable and quite
adequate. I did opt to go back to my LL Bean boots for the Whites and the
rest of the Trail to K. There is quite a difference in the weight of each
step. :-)
Morning Glory GA>ME96
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