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>From: owner-atml@trailplace.com
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:50:09 -0600 (MDT)
>To: atml-digest@trailplace.com
>Subject: atml V1 #163
>Precedence: bulk
>
>: To: atml@trailplace.com; at-l@inc.net
>: Subject: ankles (was Re: Waldo's dilemma)
>: Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 9:55 AM
>:
>: Speaking of ankles, I'd appreciate any advice or insights on my own
>: ankle problem.
>:
>: Last year, after about Damascus, I noticed a little pain deep in my
>: ankle whenever my boot bounced up off a rock. Just after Chestnut Knob
>
>: Thanks a lot,
>: David
>:
>: appell@together.net
>: http://www.together.net/~appell
>:
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: ATML <atlist@trailplace.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:26:36 -0400
>Subject: Journal Ownership
>
>JDForbes asked an interesting question when he asked about ownership of the
>journals on Trailplace (at least it's interesting to me). Each of the
>journal writers owns their journal, as is the case with anyone who writes
>anything, even a poem in a notebook. Copyrights were written into the
>Constitution (not the Bill of Rights) by the founding fathers. Ironically,
>the main purpose was not to protect individual rights of writers, etc.,
>but, by doing so, to make information available to the public. They figured
>that the best way to have original information made available to all was to
>ensure that people who create original material should be able to reap the
>benefits of that material, and have protection from someone else using it
>without permission as their own property. The internet is still grappling
>with the copyright issue, but the courts, when cases eventually start being
>decided, will probably opt to maintain the traditional rights of copyright
>that have preceded the internet. I, for one, hope so. Each journal
>participant has given permission for their journal to be placed on
>Trailplace indefinitely (we plan to leave this material up year after year,
>and perhaps add more journals to it year after year). They are receiving no
>compensation, nor is Trailplace. At the end of the season, there may be a
>good book, an updated 90s version of the classic Rodale two-volume set
>"Hiking the Appalachian Trail," and that possibility will be explored,
>again with the permission of the journal participants. Since there is very
>little if any money to be made from such a project, publishers will not be
>beating the doors down. You will note that each journal opening page
>carries the copyright notation of the journal writer (who is the owner of
>that material), and also the copyright notation of Trailplace as publishers
>on-line. In the event that someone uses the journals in a way not in
>keeping with the writer's or publisher's wishes, we could use legal
>recourse to stop such use. In practical terms, this is highly improbable.
>Let's face it. Hiking the Appalachian Trail is not a big bucks type of
>thing for anyone, so the temptation to try to profit from these journals is
>almost nil. For instance, it will cost Trailplace about $1400 this year
>just to put them on-line, not counting server fees and the time of
>volunteers and myself. There is no profit except the satisfaction of
>knowing that others enjoy reading them, and that future thru-hikers may
>learn from them.--WF
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "MAHONEY, MATTHEW" <mhm@wesley.evms.edu>
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:00:08 EST
>Subject: Gear questions...
>
>hey everybody! i have enjoyed most of the comments on the page
>(excluding the flames)! my dog and i are hiking for 2-3 months this
>summer starting in the end of may, probably VA --> CT or so. my
>ambition is to come back and do the whole thing in one shot, but we
>all have different goals. my main goal is to figure out some
>things in my head, and maintain a positive outlook that i can apply
>to the rest of medical school.
>feeling pride is not necessarily a bad thing!!! everyone i know in
>medical school is proud of being one of the 100 selected from over
>7000 applicants. it is okay for people to take pride in their
>accomplishments, but i agree with the posts that say not to insult
>people in a public forum. as a third person it strikes me as very
>reactive and immature. feeling the need to *defend yourself* is a
>very human reaction. thru-hikers of any type and especially 2000
>milers are an elite group. so are the volunteers who maintain the
>trail, many of whom will never be 2000-milers!!! i admire anyone
>who loves nature and chooses to enjoy it with all of us. goals are
>personal and can change over time. i recall someone on this list
>telling a story about someone who realized a thru-hike was not what
>he wanted, but pursued some other interests with his 6 months off.
>wonderful!!! he's not a wimp, and i'll still be proud to say i did
>x hundred miles. (i hope!) end of tirade.
>in response to anything in
>my post, a personal reply is ok since the rest of this doesn't apply
>to everyone! i was wondering whether anyone had experience,
>especially anything negative, with the following gear!
>
>dana terraplane X
>north face cat's meow 3D
>sierra designs orion CD
>PUR scout
>thermarest staytek ultra-lite
>MSR whisperlite international
>
>boots? any suggestions? yes or no on goretex? i am looking at one
>sport moraines...
>
>a couple of questions:
>interesting foods to snack on and cook? somehow i am daunted by the
>thought of eating noodles, jerky, and gorp the whole time.
>anyone have any pointers for a long hike with a dog?
>does the trail give you your trail name?
>
>thanks for providing such a great service, Wingfoot!!! i only hope
>we don't inspire to whole world to come flatten the AT next year!!!
>
>matt mahoney
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Rafala@summit.net
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 17:46:24
>Subject: RE: Fundamentalism
>
>Ah, you are on to me! as you may or may not know, I have the one true
>answer to this eternal question. I am willing to impart this knowledge
>on to all who wish to follow me, but the path requires great sacrifice
>and total devotion to me. You must give up all your worldly possessions,
>(to me of course) and after year of study and contemplation, you too can
>know the true meaning of *thru hiker*. My church, tax exempt of course
>is called: The one true shining path, karmic wholly immaculate comet,
>last word on anything tabernacle. inc. The Dalli Gar-bear
>
>- --- On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:39:06 -0400 (EDT) YANKEI@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Now being of Christian ilk myself, I feel compelled to point out a
>>fascinating phenomenon.
>>
>>Could I possibly be detecting the whiff of "fundamentalism" in the air
>>surrounding our recent delightful repartee on the trail? True to form,
>>
>>
>
>- -----------------End of Original Message-----------------
>
>- -------------------------------------
>Name: Rafala
>E-mail: rafala@summit.net
>Date: 4/24/97
>Time: 5:46:24 PM
>
>
>- -------------------------------------
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Michael Poirier <poirier@bdc.bethel.me.us>
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:45:59 -0400
>Subject: no more digests...
>
>have not received the atm-l in 3 or so days......what's up???
>
>Maine Rune
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Felix <AThiker@smithville.net>
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:56:47 -0700
>Subject: Re: Thru-hiking
>
>Jim.Lemire. wrote:
>
>>
>> It happens, like Jim O said, sarcasm doesn't work here well. I remember
>> when some failed to see Felix's humour one time.
>
>Get the heck out of town!!! Someone didn't get something I said? Only
>once...?!?
>
>- --
>Felix
>
>It ain't much, but try http://members.tripod.com/~Felixhikes/index.html
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "John Lange" <yoho2@sprynet.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:49:22 -0400
>Subject: Re: thru hiking
>
>> I think Rosie's writing style may be the problem. I suspect she would
>> proud without the abrasive tone in person.
>
>As a relative new comer to the list I've never picked up on the abrasive
>tone. Actually I've always found her tone to be rather "motherly" ! If
>others find her tone abrasive that could certainly explain the beating she
>just took.
>
>Honestly, I've been rather startled and disturbed by some of the nastiness
>that's been posted. This last round of Rosie bashing just for stating her
>opinion sure wasn't the list's best showing.
>
>I believe if we want a free and open exchange of ideas on this list we're
>really gona have to tone it down. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing
>but these attacks have been personal. I'll bet after this last outburst
>there's a whole new bunch of people who've decided they'll never open their
>mouths and risk a lashing like that. That's a shame. They could have some
>wonderful thoughts.
>
>> It happens, like Jim O said, sarcasm doesn't work here well. I remember
>> when some failed to see felix's humor one time.
>
>I agree. Big problem with email. Actually I've been surprised by the lack
>of use of "smilies". They can really help in this regard and in
>expressing other emotions. A :) or a ;) after a sarcastic or
>playful remark can really prevent misunderstandings. For those that don't
>know there's literally hundreds of these symbols to express virtually any
>feeling you can think of.
>
>JL :)
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: JDForbes7@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: To Wingfoot
>
>In a message dated 97-04-22 19:06:36 EDT, atlist@trailplace.com (ATML)
>writes:
>
><< To continue your train of thought about college: Is someone who does not
> graduate from a four-year college in four years not a college graduate? Is
> someone who attends college for a quarter and works a quarter not a colleg=
e
> student while they are trying to graduate? I think thru-hiking is similar,
> as long as the attempt is being made.--Wingfoot >>
>
> Again, I agree exactly. Not to complicate the pool of definitions, but
>my understanding was always that the term "end-to-ender" was what
>specifically referred to someone who did such, or they were referred to as
>someone who had "completed a thru-hike", which implies that those on the
>trail attempting it are thru-hikers. I'm not on trail right now so I'm not=
a
>thru-hiker; I think it's an active description. There are still terms that
>are available to set apart those who did it in one swipe, as above, without
>having to co-opt the entire term of thru-hiker. Just my opinion.
>
>FreeMan
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: DSS <sevy@kezarlaw.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:15:29
>Subject: The Fear Of Being Bounced
>
>Hot Springs, NC
>
> It was unclear exactly why Milo Garcia, Warren Doyle and the 50 lit=
tle
>parapackers had come to Hot Springs and to The Center for AT Studies: Was
>it just the fear of being bounced from the ATML list or was it something mo=
re?
>
> 1, Warren pointed to the little parapackers all standing around
>Wingfoot's
>house each one holding the little hand of a little puellapacker. "Milo
>loves to celebrate and insisted on having each member of his entourage
>bring their daughters to catch a glimpse of Wingfoot." " He's been
>planning this for some time now and look they all have their tiny ponchos
>on."
>
> 2. Milo insisted that their appearance had nothing to do with the
>release
>of "Traildance" just in time for the upcoming Trail Days celebration. " I
>must admit there's nothing like seeing the parapackers each standing 37
>inches tall, ponchos billowing in the wind, coming at you like so many June
>Taylor Dancers on some long lost Jackie Gleason Show filmed in panavision -
> live from Grayson Highlands - back in '62" said Doyle.
>
> SUDDENLY Wingfoot appeared and the parapackers all pointed their li=
ttle
>lekis at him as if he was some big fondue offering. Wingfoot rubbed his
>eyes trying to shed the many hours spent in front of the computer. " I
>have an announcement to make " shouted Wingfoot.
>
> Milo stopped singing, Warren stopped writing in his little notebook=
and
>all the parapackeres lowered their lekis to a tap, tap,tap on the pavement.
> "I received a call late last night from VINCE. " "oooooh!" and "aaaaah !"
>exclaimed the parapackers.
>
> "VINCE and ROSIE have asked that I announce that they have agreed
>to hike
>the trail together in 1998 !" " They have yet to agree on whether or not
>to call it a THRU HIKE but they will depart together from Springer and
>alternate staying in a shelter one night with sharing ROSIE's bivy the
>other night !"
>
> "Warren faltered, Warren's flustered, Warren's fainted ! "
>hollered little
>pedro to Milo. But it was no use, Milo was already leading the parapackers
>into Wingfoot's home singing like a Milo Marley " No thru hike no cry, no
>thru-hike no cry !" followed by Wingfoot and the parapackers, " we be just
>a section hikers now, man !" "just a section hiker man !" Now, Milo,
>Wingfoot and the Parapackers, " NO THRU-HIKE NO CRY !"
>
> "I love you guys!" said Wingfoot patting the heads of all the littl=
e
>parapackers.
>
>The Bamaman
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: ATML <atlist@trailplace.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:57:40 -0400
>Subject: Re: The Fear Of Being Bounced
>
>Hoo Whee! Being only 5'6" tall myself, I felt right at home (actually, I
>was at home at the Center) with the Parapackers. We all went up to Max
>Patch Bald to dance around among the trees (actually dandelions which we
>had mistaken for big trees, and we also thought it was autumn, explaining
>the tree's yellow color). Like you said, hours in front of a computer can
>do strange things ... took me back to my old hippie days. Anyway, it was
>quite an evening, and I was saddened to see the Parapackers depart. Ah,
>maybe again next year. Of course, there is always Trail Daze.--Wingfoot
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Class of '97 Journals" <journals@trailplace.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:58:33 -0400
>Subject: JOURNAL UPDATES (4/25/97)
>
>TRAILPLACE THRU-HIKER JOURNAL UPDATES (4/23/97)
>*************************************************
>Link will take you to the first day of the latest update.
>*************************************************
>
>NEW TODAY!!!
>
>THE SLYMAN (Bobby Sylvester; more being transcribed):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/05bobby/NCTN.htm#401
>
>CURIOUS GEORGE (Jason Brooks; more being transcribed):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/01jason/SVA.htm#409
>
>ROCKDANCER (Arthur Gaudet; more being transcribed):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/10arthur/GA.htm#405
>
>
>*************************************************
>PREVIOUSLY POSTED:
>
>BIG BIRD (Damien Stark; more being transcribed):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/04damien/NCTN.htm#407
>
>TUMBLEWEED (Gary Hays; more being transcribed):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/06gary/GA.htm#402
>
>GLOBETROTTER (Paul Nickodem; more being transcribed):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/08paul/GA.htm#411
>
>SHAGGY (Scott Groth; up to date):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/08scott/NCTN.htm#402
>
>GYPSY (Martha Manzano; up to date):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/02marty/NCTN.htm#406
>
>POOOMBAH (Alisa O'Hara: up to date):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/03alisa/NCTN2.htm
>
>AQUAHOLIC (Joe O'Leary; more being transcribed):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/07joe/GA.htm#326
>
>THE PASSING GLIMPSE (Eliot Smith; up to date):
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/03glimpse/GA.htm#324
>
>SKYGOD (Andy Linger)--Started April 13, being transcribed
>NEEDLES (George Oeser)--Started April 15, being transcribed
>TIM JOHNSTON--Starts May 1
>PAUSE (Scott Sharpe)--Starts May 12
>THE SMITHS (Sandy & Alison)--Start May 31
>KURT (Kurtis Kirsch)--Starts June 1
>BRIAN (Brian Rock)--Starts June 1
>ANTELOPE (Will Strickland)--Starts June 15
>
>The index to all journals can be found by going to:
>http://trailplace.com/archives/classof97/journals/index2.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Gene Cochran" <archangel@weblnk.net>
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:08:34 -0700
>Subject: Re: To Wingfoot
>
>Hey I have a GRAND IDEA! Why don't we just kill this topic thread already!
>It's getting OLD!
>
> (;-P) :-) =8F:~=DE)
>
>The Lord Bless and Keep You!
>
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>Gene Cochran
>(a.k.a. Archangel)
>archangel@weblnk.net
>http://archangel.home.ml.org/
> <IXOYE><
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>- ----------
>: From: JDForbes7@aol.com
>: To: atlist@trailplace.com; atml@trailplace.com
>: Subject: Re: To Wingfoot
>: Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 7:21 PM
>:
>: In a message dated 97-04-22 19:06:36 EDT, atlist@trailplace.com (ATML)
>: writes:
>:
>: << To continue your train of thought about college: Is someone who does
>not
>: graduate from a four-year college in four years not a college graduate?
>Is
>: someone who attends college for a quarter and works a quarter not a
>college
>: student while they are trying to graduate? I think thru-hiking is
>similar,
>: as long as the attempt is being made.--Wingfoot >>
>:
>: Again, I agree exactly. Not to complicate the pool of definitions,
>but
>: my understanding was always that the term "end-to-ender" was what
>: specifically referred to someone who did such, or they were referred to
>as
>: someone who had "completed a thru-hike", which implies that those on the
>: trail attempting it are thru-hikers. I'm not on trail right now so I'm
>not a
>: thru-hiker; I think it's an active description. There are still terms
>that
>: are available to set apart those who did it in one swipe, as above,
>without
>: having to co-opt the entire term of thru-hiker. Just my opinion.
>:
>: FreeMan
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: JDForbes7@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:20:12 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: What is a Thru-hike?
>
>In a message dated 97-04-23 10:33:12 EDT, vcap@hotmail.com (Vince Caplan)
>writes:
>
><< What you don't see is that every other hiker on the AT has a similar sto=
ry
>- --
> the sacrifices they made to hike, however far, the problems they
>encountered,
> the way their time outdoors reshaped their view of the world. Every one o=
f
>them
> -- those that hiked the entire trail, those that hiked half of it, those
>that
> take 2 or 5 or 20 years to hike it, those that hiked for a week or who
>started
> at Springer and made it 50 miles, those that struggled as far as they coul=
d
> through injuries or boredom or bad luck or left because they wanted to
>devote
> their time to other things. >>
>
>
> Bravo! Well said!
>
>FreeMan
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: JDForbes7@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:30:53 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Fundamentalism
>
>In a message dated 97-04-24 02:20:12 EDT, YANKEI@aol.com writes:
>
><< There are appeals scripture ("The ATC defines Thru-Hiker as...."), appea=
ls
>to
> logic ("If a college student goes to school for two years..."), appeals to
> mystical experience ("There's nothing like the feeling..."), appeals to a
> reward in the hereafter ("I want my reward to be that I am called a
> ThruHiker."), even appeals to unity ("I feel we put too much emphasis on
> labels in our society.").
>
> Does this make Wingfoot the Pope? If so, who are the twelve apostles? Is
>Ward
> Leonard a prophet? Is the ATC the Vatican? Is ALDHA the equivalent of the
> Anglicans, or are they more like Mormons?
>
> I'm digging it. It's fun reading for sure. Maybe religion is universal
> impulse after all. We just pick different gods. >>
>
> Yank, that's some of the funniest, best stuff I've read yet. I'm howling=
.
> Thanks.
>
>FreeMan
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Rhonda1448@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:58:28 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: To Wingfoot
>
>Hey I have a GRAND IDEA! Why don't we just kill this topic thread already!
>It's getting OLD!
>
>GREAT IDEA!!!
>
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>
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