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- Subject: [at-l] Re: at-l-digest V1 #72
- From: "Benjamin Brent Forbis" <bbforbis@eos.ncsu.edu>
- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:17:46 -0500
On Jan 17, 12:00am, at-l-digest wrote:
> Subject: at-l-digest V1 #72
>
> at-l-digest Friday, January 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 072
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> [at-l] Re: at-l-digest V1 #69
> Re: [at-l] Tibet/Nepal
> Re: [at-l] Relationships.
> [at-l] Need IRC info!
> [at-l] Reasons for thru-hiking
> Re: [at-l] Need IRC info!
> [at-l] Tarps and Bivy Sacks...
> [at-l] Re: [pct-l] Sleeping bag "upgrade" question
> Re: [at-l] Fuel bottles
> [at-l] Thank you
> [at-l] Erehwon and Erehwyna
> RE: Ranting fron the Radical Left (was: [at-l] Itinerary/Safety)
> Re: [at-l] REDNECK COMPUTER GLOSSARY
> Re: [at-l] b...of society
> [at-l] Apologies Jim Owen & the at-l
> Re: [at-l] Tarps and Bivy Sacks...
> Re: [at-l] My Old Trail Name vs. New Trail Name (fwd)
> Re: [at-l] Tarps and Bivy Sacks...
> [at-l] Thru-hike workshop
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:43:42 -0800
> >From: Bob Burns <rburns@bigfoot.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Re: at-l-digest V1 #69
>
> CANCELL
> - --
>
> "GOPHER IT!!!"
>
> Bob Burns
> rburns@bigfoot.com
>
> Mill Hall, PA USA
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:49:14 -0500
> >From: bob <deer@epix.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tibet/Nepal
>
> Thomas B. Greene wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Kind of a strange request for this list, but it appears likely I will be
traveling to
> > China for an extended vacation next year. Anyone on the list ever done
treking or
> > backpacking in Tibet or Nepal (or anywhere in that area)? I'm in the very
early
> > stages of planning, so any information on making such a journey would be
helpful.
> > Thanks!
>
> Hi Tom,
> When I lived in Italy in the '70s I had some friends that went to Nepal
> for about six months. I would have loved to have gone along but I had
> used up all of my vacation in Northern Africa and Europe. Too bad...
>
> One of the young ladies in thr group contracetd hepatitis presumeably
> >from the food or utensils. She nearly died. Medical care in Nepal isn't
> even close to what Europeans have. I won't comment on the differences
> between European health care and what we get here in the good ol' USA.
>
> Anyway, since Ornella was an Italian citizen the Italian Air Force
> Medivaced her. If they haden't, she would have been buried in Nepal.
>
> Lessons learned:
> Arm yourself with knowledge concerning food handling & preparation
> and general hygeine practices in the third world.
> Don't expect medical care that even remotely resembles the care you
> recieve now.
> Make sure you always have that return ticket home.
> Discretion is the better part of valor - Enjoy your trip.
>
> Bob
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:03:35 -0500
> >From: bob <deer@epix.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Relationships.
>
> Diana ^(raven)^ wrote:
> >
> It's all a tradeoff. Take what you can get.
> >
> Raven,
> Life is full of compromises (so I'm told).
> But I really believe that there are so many divorces because
> people would rather settle into a compromised relationship
> than be alone.
> Never settle for less than the best for you.
>
> Bob
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:06:41 EST
> >From: at1996@juno.com (Gail B. Johnson)
> Subject: [at-l] Need IRC info!
>
> Help! I would like to do the IRC thing, but deleted that message. Would
> somebody please forward me information???
>
> Gutsy
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:11:26 -0500
> >From: greenway@marlin.innerx.net
> Subject: [at-l] Reasons for thru-hiking
>
> At 12:00 AM 1/16/97 -0600,
> >From: SDWoot@aol.com
> >Subject: [at-l] Reason for thru-hiking
> >
> ><After that 1985 hike Ithought I would have a more profound answer, but I
> >could never quite pin itdown to more than, "I just wanted to do a big
> >adventure." The 1985
> >thru-hike was indeed profound, as have been all the rest, but I have never
> >been able to put my reasons for doing it into words that make any sense to
> >anyone else. It's just something that I understand but can't really
> >communicate.>
>
> Jean-Louis Etienne was quoted in _Crossing Antarctica_, about the first
> unsupported dogsled expedition across the continent, when asked why "we do
> it." It went something along the lines of "it's like asking someone why they
> like chocolate. They just do." J-LE also said that, to be happy, you
> should "invent life"--making your own adventure before the phrase became a
> TV catchphrase. You know, that sounds like enough of a reason to me.
>
> Jim Greenway
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:45:08 -0500 (EST)
> >From: Bchiker001@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Need IRC info!
>
> In a message dated 97-01-16 19:10:35 EST, at1996@juno.com (Gail B. Johnson)
> writes:
>
> << Help! I would like to do the IRC thing, but deleted that message. Would
> somebody please forward me information??? >>
>
> Hi there,
> I have Mirc too! Now what? Since I'm semi-computer illiterate, or is
> it computer semi-illiterate, maybe it's just computer illiterate! Whatever,
> can I get step by step directions on what to do next! Do I sign on to AOL?
> Then what? Any help would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks, The Slyman '97
>
> 74 days and I'm outta here!
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:47:55 -0500
> >From: jplynch@crosslink.net (James P. Lynch)
> Subject: [at-l] Tarps and Bivy Sacks...
>
> Any east coasters have experience with this set up? This is sort of what I
> was thinking of for a light weight, flexible arrangement (maybe with the
> addition of mosquito netting in the summer!)...
>
> >in my 30 years of backpacking, the only times i've used a tent was in
> >winter or with my kids. the rest of the time i've used a tarp and bivy
> >cover. my present set up is a 10x10 campmore tarp and a north face
> >goretex bivy cover. i should also note that i live on the west coast.
> >your living on the east coast may present different problems.
> >
> >
>
James,
When I first started hiking and camping that was the only way I traveled. I
used a hammock also, which helped get me off the ground when it rained ane I
was perfectly comfortable. A hammock is a bit cold in the winter because of the
circulating air around you and I would prefer to be on the ground then and use
leaves, mat or whatever else I could for insulation. It's all a matter of
preference. Get out and try it for a feww trips in the nastiest conditions you
can and see if it works for you. There are some really light weight tarps you
can use, the nylon ripstop versions that weight around a pound or less.
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:48:10 -0500
> >From: jplynch@crosslink.net (James P. Lynch)
> Subject: [at-l] Re: [pct-l] Sleeping bag "upgrade" question
>
> >In a message dated 97-01-15 16:58:51 EST, mzuber@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Michael E.
> >Zuber) wrote:
>
> > I have a friend who sent
> >his bag back to the manufacturer to have the down replaced.
>
> Would this not cost almost as much as a new bag (with the labor and all?).
> Just curious.
>
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:48:02 -0500
> >From: jplynch@crosslink.net (James P. Lynch)
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Fuel bottles
>
> For flexibility *and* weight savings, could you carry a 22 oz bottle,
> filling it half-way (or so) when that was adequate, fuller if needed?
> Anyone have any experience with this idea?
>
> >To: jrowen@pop500.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Owen)
> >From: jplynch@crosslink.net (James P. Lynch)
> >Subject: Re: [at-l] Fuel bottles
> >
> >>Marty -
> >>Ginny and I both used 22 oz bottles all the way. You can probably
> >>make it with an 11 oz bottle - except - for the Smokies and the
> >>Wilderness. You can work around that with your mail drops.
> >>We can talk more about it on the 25th if you want.
> >>
> >>Walk softly,
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:48:14 EST
> >From: at1996@juno.com (Gail B. Johnson)
> Subject: [at-l] Thank you
>
> Thanks, Bob, for the instruction for the IRC chat.
>
> Gutsy
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:49:48 -0500
> >From: "Michael MacLean (BackRest)" <rayann@cwconnect.ca>
> Subject: [at-l] Erehwon and Erehwyna
>
> I am looking for Sandy and Alison Smith (erehwon and erehwyna). Can you
> please contact me. Thankz.
>
> BackRest
> AT Mar 97
>
> Re: Propane transportation:
> Check with sandy and alison smith (erehwon and erehwyna). they are hiking
> with the primus titanium propane stove, and i think have figured out how to
> send cartridges along the way..
>
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:26:54 -0500
> >From: Kurtis Kirsch <kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com>
> Subject: RE: Ranting fron the Radical Left (was: [at-l] Itinerary/Safety)
>
> - -- [ From: Kurtis Kirsch * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
>
>
> - -------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
>
> > Date: Thursday, 16-Jan-97 09:32 AM
> >
> > From: Jim Owen \ Internet:
> (jrowen@pop500.gsfc.nasa.gov)
> > To: Kurtis Kirsch \ Internet:
> (kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com)
> >
> > Subject: RE: Ranting fron the Radical Left (was: [at-l] Itinerary/Safety)
> >
> > Kurtis -
> >
> > In theory, I might agree with you, but as a practical matter I'd like to
> hear
> > your opinion AFTER someone has shoved a .45 in your face and pulled the
> > trigger because he didn't like the color of your skin. Or maybe after 5
> > homeless drunks decide to "teach you a lesson" cause you won't give them
> > money. Or after a couple people try to hijack your truck - with the
> obvious
> > intent of leaving no witnesses. I'm not talking theory - just personal
> > experience. It's not the weapons that are the problem, my friend - it's
> the
> > people.
> >
> > Walk softly - but keep that big stick handy,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > >
> > >Violence, all violence is wrong. If you can justify one act of violence,
> > >you justify all violence. The preceding statement is my personal
> opinion.
> > >
> >
> >
>
> - -------- REPLY, End of original message --------
>
> Jim,
>
> While no one has actually pulled the trigger with a gun up to my head, (I'm
> not typing this from the grave, to my knowledge) I have had a couple of
> guns pulled on me. One was a cop, and I did something foolish, I reached
> into my back pocket to show him that there was a flashlight in there, and
> not a gun. I should of just 'assume the position', and let him find it at
> his own leisure. You learn from your mistakes, or you die from them,
> eventually.
>
> Another time, a drug dealer stole my glasses off my face, (I guess 'cuz he
> liked them), and when I didn't immediately run away, he pulled out his gun,
> and told me to get lost. I never like it when people tell me what to do,
> so, without thinking, I began to tell him off. I ended my tirade with:
> "what's a stupid motherf**cker, like you gonna do with my prescription
> sunglasses anyway, 'cuz you definitely ain't gonna see shit thru them, cuz
> I'm blind as a bat." I got lucky, instead of shooting me, he threw my
> glasses at me, which brought up a big welt on my cheek. I picked them up,
> and walked away. I basically provided entertainment for him, and his
> buddies.
>
> The day after thanksgiving, I went hiking along the NJ/NY border on the AT.
> After a few days on the firing line, I was so gun shy, that I even greeted
> obvious non-hunters with: "I'm not a deer!" So, in answer to you, Jim, is
> that I'll definitely react without thinking. I'm just gonna be me,
> regardless of the situation, which will mean that I'll probably do
> something stupid. If I go off, half cocked, the only damage I could do is
> hurt someones' feelings, if someone carrying a weapon goes off, half cocked
> .. . . . I do agree that weapons can do no harm, unless there is a human
> somewhere in the equation, however, I believe that if we can't, or won't
> evolve past our violent ways, we have no future as a people.
>
> If, by some magic, we woke up tomorrow and there were no more weapons on
> the entire planet, there would still be violence, but before we could start
> manufacturing weapons, there would be a period where the majority of the
> planet would be weapon-free [except for the MacGyver types : )] People,
> who want to commit violent acts would have to use their bear hands to
> commit violent acts. It would be easier for others to break up a fight
> with no weapons involved, than if weapons were present. Hunting would
> become a real sport with no weapons. Just think of the TV ratings of a
> show that presented to the viewing public: Man/Deer The Battle of the
> Woodlands. Hunting without weapons, at least Bambi would stand a fighting
> chance!
>
> Please take most of what I've written for a lame attempt at humor. What I
> would do in any hypothetical situation, is purely hypothetical. I do
> believe that meeting violence with violence, means that violence wins. I
> only hope that when the chips are down that I can live up to my own ideals.
>
> have fun (and when I'm hiking, I carry two large sticks),
>
> Kurt
> kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com
>
>
> There were days,
> there were days,
> there were days, I know.
> When all we ever wanted,
> was to learn and love and grow.
> When we grew into our shoes,
> we told them where to go.
> Walked halfway around the world,
> on promise of the glow
> Stood upon a mountain top.
> Walked barefoot in the snow.
> Gave all we had to give,
> how much we'll never know, . . . . never know.
>
> Robert Hunter
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:26:21 -0500
> >From: Kurtis Kirsch <kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] REDNECK COMPUTER GLOSSARY
>
> - -- [ From: Kurtis Kirsch * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
>
>
> - -------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
>
> > Date: Thursday, 16-Jan-97 10:18 AM
> >
> > From: Jim Owen \ Internet:
> (jrowen@pop500.gsfc.nasa.gov)
> > To: at-l-request \ Internet: (at-l@saffron.hack.net)
> >
> > Subject: [at-l] REDNECK COMPUTER GLOSSARY
> >
> > After all the words about rednecks lately, I thought
> > this might be appreciated.
> >
> > Walk softly,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > >>>>
> > >>>> REDNECK COMPUTER GLOSSARY
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Digital Control" - What yore fingers do on the TV remote.
> > >>>>
>
> - -------- REPLY, End of original message --------
>
> Jim,
>
> I thought of something a little different to fill in the definition of
> "Digital Control". Then I was reminded that everbody does it, not just
> rednecks ;^)
>
> have fun,
>
> Kurt
> kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com
>
>
> There were days,
> there were days,
> there were days, I know.
> When all we ever wanted,
> was to learn and love and grow.
> When we grew into our shoes,
> we told them where to go.
> Walked halfway around the world,
> on promise of the glow
> Stood upon a mountain top.
> Walked barefoot in the snow.
> Gave all we had to give,
> how much we'll never know, . . . . never know.
>
> Robert Hunter
>
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:26:33 -0500
> >From: Kurtis Kirsch <kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] b...of society
>
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>
>
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>
> > Date: Thursday, 16-Jan-97 03:27 AM
> >
> > From: bearclaw@earthlink.net \ Internet: (bearclaw@earthlink.net)
> > To: at-l-request \ Internet: (at-l@saffron.hack.net)
> >
> > Subject: [at-l] b...of society
> >
> > sorry felix, for me the real scumbags of society are not doctors or
> lawyers,
> > but the politicians. the're nothing but a group of amoral, hypocritical
> > sleaseballs who would pimp their own mothers on the street for a fast
> buck to
> > further their own careers.
> >
> >
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>
> .. . . . and since voters elect the scumbag politicians, what do you think
> of them!
>
> have fun,
>
> Kurt
> kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com
>
>
> There were days,
> there were days,
> there were days, I know.
> When all we ever wanted,
> was to learn and love and grow.
> When we grew into our shoes,
> we told them where to go.
> Walked halfway around the world,
> on promise of the glow
> Stood upon a mountain top.
> Walked barefoot in the snow.
> Gave all we had to give,
> how much we'll never know, . . . . never know.
>
> Robert Hunter
>
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:34:12 -0500
> >From: Kurtis Kirsch <kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com>
> Subject: [at-l] Apologies Jim Owen & the at-l
>
> - -- [ From: Kurtis Kirsch * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
>
> Sorry, I received a private email and Quoted it & replied to it to the
> list. While totally unintentional, as I didn't read the header until after
> sent my reply, I apologize never-the-less. Please ignore it! If you've
> read it already, forget it! I'll reimburse every necessary lobotomy,
> except my own. My brains to far gone for hope.
>
> Seriously, I am sorry.
>
> have fun,
>
> Kurt
> kurt.kirsch@internetmci.com
>
>
> There were days,
> there were days,
> there were days, I know.
> When all we ever wanted,
> was to learn and love and grow.
> When we grew into our shoes,
> we told them where to go.
> Walked halfway around the world,
> on promise of the glow
> Stood upon a mountain top.
> Walked barefoot in the snow.
> Gave all we had to give,
> how much we'll never know, . . . . never know.
>
> Robert Hunter
>
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:20:40 -0500 (EST)
> >From: LocoFoto@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tarps and Bivy Sacks...
>
> >Any east coasters have experience with this set up? This is >sort of what I
> >was thinking of for a light weight, flexible arrangement >(maybe with the
> >addition of mosquito netting in the summer!)...
>
> Yes, I've used a tarp while backpacking on the East Coast. I don't have a
> bivy sack (yet), but I use a 9x9 foot tarp (Campmor, about 20 oz) and a
> plastic ground cloth, and don't get too wet. I also use a polarguard bag, for
> now, but that will be replaced (soon, I hope) with a good down bag and a
> bivy.
>
> I've found that I can lower the tarp enough that it will keep me dry in
> really heavy wind/rain, though I'd rather not spend several days under it
> that way. But in the sort of long, steady rains we get here, I can stay dry
> and comfortable, I can cook while lying in my bag, and I've got room for
> _all_ my gear.
>
> For summer use, a mosquito net over the bag is a good idea. I've seen
> somebody rig a large net as a sort of wall/door, to keep bugs out completely
> (so they can sit up and watch the sunset, or whatever). I haven't tried that.
>
> I think that the goretex bivy/winter bag combo with a good tarp should work
> well for winter around here, too.
>
> YMMV
> Ken
> ALSO moving to North Carolina, like tomorrow
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:42:15 -0500
> >From: Jennifer Delia Sawyer <jdsawyer@hopper.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] My Old Trail Name vs. New Trail Name (fwd)
>
> At 12:05 PM 1/14/97 -0500, John Newman wrote:
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> > P3 is P-cubed for Possum Poop Patty.
>
> THIS calls for an explaination!!!!
>
> :) Poohbear
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> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:00:59 -0500 (EST)
> >From: Jeff Mosenkis <jm1360@cnsvax.albany.edu>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Tarps and Bivy Sacks...
>
> I just got the Integral Designs product info today. Doesn anybody have
> experience with their 'Unishelter', sort of an oversized bivy?
> It looks like it has an oversized hoop at the head/shoulders (you can
> probably almost sit up, it looks like in the picture) and also
> that the top zips back most of the way to reveal mesh for those nice nights.
>
> They claim 32 oz. and ordering direct is $190 for the regular version
> ($200 for winter version).
>
> They also do sleeping bags and tents and clothing, and it looks as if it
> is custom made. There are lots of options you can specify (pit-zips,
> shoulder patches, lining, etc), I think on bags you can choose the down
> fill power (and possably colors on some stuff).
>
> BTW - someone was asking about silk sleeping bag liners? They have one for
> $34.
>
> - -jeff
>
> PS can someone repost my old IRC instructions (I didn't keep a copy) and
> maybe and AOLer can post instructions for AOL types? Thanks.
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> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:21:49 -0500
> >From: Jennifer Delia Sawyer <jdsawyer@hopper.unh.edu>
> Subject: [at-l] Thru-hike workshop
>
> Thought some of y'all might be interested...
> :)
> Poohbear
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> >From the _Charles River Mud_, January 1997
>
> PLANNING AN APPALACHIAN TRAIL THRU-HIKE
> January 18-19, 1997
> Pinkham Notch Visitor Center
>
> This intensive two day workshop will help you plan and successfully complete
> a thru-hike of the entire 2100 mile AT. The road to success for many
> thru-hikers was proper planning and preparation. Instruction covers a broad
> range of topics, including equipment selection, re-supplying,trail safety
> and the psychology and philosophy of thru-hiking. Open discussions, slides
> and videos will be sued to cover additional information. Mke your dream a
> reality and join us at this informative workshop. Instruction offered by
> seasoned thru-hikers and Appalachian Mountain Club employees:
>
> Kevin "hawk" metheny (ga-me 93)
> Cecelia "sunbeam" brelsford (ga-me 96)
>
> Fee (includes instruction and Appalachian Trail Data Book: 1997): $60
>
> Registration & Information:
> 603-466-2727 (phone)
> 603-466-3871 (fax)
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