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Re: [AT-L] Help me pack for my first longish solo trip
Congratulations - The Susquehannock is a really nice trail and if
you're lucky you might even catch the beginning of leaf season.
About your pack weight - a couple suggestions, although you're
the one who has to make the decisions -
>I'm going on my first longish solo trip at the end of this month. I'll be
>hiking the Susquehannock Trail, an 85 mile loop trail in northern
>Pensylvania (maybe I'll run into Jim Owen!). Anyway, in a fit of anal
>retentiveness I weighed EVERYTHING I might even consider bringing and put it
>all in a spreadsheet. I then picked out a subset of the items and let the
>spreadsheet add things up for me. The answer, of course, was: "too much".
>My total weight (including walking stick, clothes on my back, etc.) was 64
>lbs, and my pack weight was 62 lbs. I'd really like to get my pack weight
>down to 55 lbs, but I don't see any way to get there!
>Here is the data:
> Selected Pounds Ounces Clothing
> 6 y 6 Suspenders
> 13 y 13 3 pair Thorlo Trecking socks
> 6 y 6 3 pair liner socks
> 12 y 12 midweight long underwear top
> 9 y 9 midweight long underwear bottom
> 7 lightweight long underwear top
> 6 lightweight long underwear bottom
> 10 wind pants
> 9 supplex pants
> 2 belt
> 23 y 1 7 rain parka
> 14 y 14 rain pants
> 1 y 1 two bandannas
> 2 liner gloves
> 3 y 3 fleece gloves (windbloc)
> 2 y 2 neck gaiter
> 1 y 1 light weight balaclava
> 3 y 3 midweight fleece balaclava
> 1 fleece headband
> 5 OR "hat for all seasons" + pile liner
> 5 short gainters (OR)
> 10 y 10 long gaiters (OR Crocodiles)
> 26 y 1 10 Tevas + fleece socks
> 16 y 1 0 midweight fleece pullover
> 14 midweight fleece bottom
> 15 synthetic fill vest
> 9 1 Subtotal
OK - please don't take this personally - it's not meant that way.
I'm gonna try to put most of my comments in question form -
1. Why 3 pair of socks/liners?
2. Why both wind pants and rain pants? If you ditch the rain pants,
you can also get rid of the suspenders.
3. Why 2 balaclavas, a hat and a neck gaiter? I'd take the hat and
a midweight balaclava.
4. Why both long and short gaiters?
For fall - and sometimes even in winter - we hike in lightweight
thermals and shorts and try to keep everything else dry for camp.
> Selected Pounds Ounces Shelter/Bedding
> 80 y 5 0 Tent (stakes, poles, rope, etc.)
> 26 y 1 10 3/4 length thermarest
> 57 y 3 9 down 20 degree bag, stuff sack, plastic bag
> 10 3 Subtotal
> Selected Pounds Ounces 10 Essentials
> 4 y 4 Maps, guide book
> 2 y 2 Compass
> 72 y 4 8 two water bottles (32 oz, filled)
> 16 y 1 0 headlamp & pen light
> 2 y 2 single blade knife & kleenex
> 1 y 1 whistle, "dog tag", little knife
> 25 y 1 9 first aid kit
> 7 10 Subtotal
Why both a headlite and penlite?
Why 2 knives?
I've carried a compass on a lot of PA trails - and it's never gotten
out of the pack.
> Selected Pounds Ounces Hygiene
> 2 y 2 Toothbrush, toothpaste, floss
> 2 y 2 soap
> 3 y 3 baby wipes
> 2 y 2 wash & dry things
> 2 y 2 foot powder
> 1 y 1 kleenex & "cat crap" anti-fog stuff
> 8 y 8 toilet paper & trowel
> 1 4 Subtotal
We carry toothpaste and toothbrush, TP and a trowel. Everything else
waits till we get to someplace with hot water (that we don't have to
carry fuel for). But we bathe every night (cold water) - if we don't
it increases the odds of chafing - and other dread maladies.
> Selected Pounds Ounces Repair & Emergency
> 1 y 1 Matches
> 2 y 2 Spare bags (garbage, ziplock)
> 0 y 0 spare spoon
> 2 y 2 fire kit (fire sticks, candle, matches)
> 6 y 6 spare batteries
> 1 y 1 iodine tablets
> 1 y 1 match safe (includes needles & thread)
> 1 y 1 cable ties, rubber bands, paper clips,
> 3 y 3 50' parachute cord
> 2 y 2 pole splices, screwdriver, pliers
> 3 y 3 thermarest kit, ripstop tape, stove kit
> 6 y 6 flares & smoke
> 0.5 y 1 surveyors tape
> 1 13 Subtotal
Why all the spares? Of that list, we carry the iodine tablets,
parachute cord, a spare stove jet and stove tool. We use a
lighter instead of matches (we each carry at least one) and I
carry a few waterproof matches although we've never used them.
> Selected Pounds Ounces Miscellaneous
> 5 y 5 Sunglasses & spare glasses (3 pr)
> 5 y 5 Contact lens stuff
> 6 y 6 pack rain cover
> 10 y 10 thermarest chair kit
> 5 y 5 ensolite sitpad
> 1 y 1 pencil & notepad
> 4 y 4 writing paper & pen
> 8 y 8 binoculars & case
> 8 y 8 camera
> 2 y 2 film & spare battery for camera
> 3 y 3 spare stuff sack
> 7 y 7 lip balm/sunscreen/bug stuff
> 3 y 3 bear bag rope
> 2 y 2 carabiner
> 13 y 13 water filter
> 4 y 4 LED light (instead of candle lantern)
> 9 Candle lantern, spare candle & reflector
> 5 6 Subtotal
Why both the chair kit and the ensolite pad? We've carried a
pad sometimes but consider the chair kit to be extra weight.
But if you carry the chair kit and leave the ensolite at home,
you still save 5 oz.
If you put a new battery in the camera before you leave, you won't
need the spare battery.
We use the parachute cord to hang our food - although
I can't remember the last time we hung food in PA.
Anything that says "spare" is probably extra weight.
We rarely - except for snow trips - carry a candle lantern. For us,
darkness is sleep time or we start a fire (and that's VERY rare).
At that time of year we'd leave the bug stuff at home too - but then
we haven't carried any of that all summer either.
> Pounds Ounces Food & Pack
> 320 y 20 0 10 days worth
> 112 y 7 0 Pack
> 27 0 Subtotal
Suggestion - if you're starting at Denton, leave a food package with someone
(possibly at the store) at Cross Forks and possibly another at the ranger
station at Ole Bull State Park. I haven't done it this way for this trail,
but I'm sure a couple calls and maybe a couple dollars would find you a
place to stash a food package for a few days. Why carry that much food
if there are intermediate resupply locations?
> Selected Pounds Ounces Stuff being worn or carried
> 5 y 5 coolmax T-shirt
> 6 y 6 shorts
> 1 y 1 watch
> 6 y 6 wide brimmed hat
> 14 y 14 hiking staff
> 2 0 Subtotal
> 62 5 Total pack weight
> 64 5 Total load
Have a good time, Jim - and let us know how it goes.
This may be my last message for a while - we're moving the computers
and don't have IP addresses for the new location yet - y'all have a good day.