[at-l] Cheney Lackey vs. Nat'l. Parks (from LA Times)

[greyowl at rcn.com (greyowl@rcn.com)]

Bill asks an interesting question, is there an answer? Unfortunately not because 
today's politics is mano a mano, take no prisoners and heaven forbid that you admit 
that you have mad an error.

First about my politics.  There are no liberals left.  That great conservative president 
Richard Nixon was much more liberal than most of the elected Democrats in the 
United Stares.  W ain't a conservative, most of my true conservative friends like him 
even less than I do.  He does pander to the lowest common denominator which 
would appear to be the lower to lower middle class religious fundamentalist.  I may 
be wrong about that point, but he sure doesn't relate to me.  He is sort of pro-
business, but a friend of mine, who is a VP in a fortune 500 company, has pointed 
out to me how he is anti-business.

So is Bush anti-environment?  I don't think that he is neither.  He just sees resource 
that need to be exploited.  The economy cannot stop growing or the consequences 
will be catastrophic for the United States.  I fear that in 30 yrs the Niger economy will 
look good to the American people.  Bush and his people  have set course on one 
solution and the Democrats, liberal etc have not offered a viable alternative.  Both 
sides are just preaching to the choir (Something that happens on this list way too 
often).

So instead of zinging each other and calling each other names we need to discuss 
alternative solutions to the various problems facing us as a country.  Unfortunately 
the most difficult problem we are all facing is NIMBYism.

So my political believes?  I am a progressive, no party.  The one politician that I 
admire the most was Berry Goldwater, a ,man who told the truth and lost an election, 
a man who was an enviromentalist but also a conservative.  Remember you may 
disagree with someone and their believes, but there is common ground for 
discussion.  Instead of acting like politicians act like human beings and try to work for 
consensus which means compromise.

Grey Owl

A true patriot is one who defends his country from his government.    Cactus Ed

> I tend to repeat myself.
> 
> If you're interested in a subject that affects large numbers of people, you'll
> eventually realize that decisions that count are made by politicians.  So, you
> have to be interested in politics.  When one "side" or another makes a series
> of decisions that you think are wrong, you will be forced to point out that
> fact or admit that you really don't care after all.
> 
> The American people are generally thought to be pro-environment.  The American
> people elected and reelected two oil company executives to run the show.  That
> isn't necessarily a contradiction, but it is definitely not a statement that
> Bush et. al. are pro-environment.
> 
> Someone posting to the list that the Bush administration has, or is about to do
> something negative with respect to the environment may as well be saying "The
> sky is blue."  It is not new and it is not news.  It's not something a sane
> person would object to.
> 
> Now, asking again--just how could this topic be broached on the AT list in a
> way that did not "bash" one side or the other?
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> --- Raphael Bustin <rafeb@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> 
> > At 09:32 AM 8/28/2005 -0400, Sly wrote:
> > 
> > >What's more telling is that it's NOT the "conservative" Washington Times 
> > >reporting.  It appears conservatives aren't into conserving these days.
> > 
> > 
> > Right. You won't hear about it from Coulter, Limbaugh,
> > Dobson, Falwell or Fox News, either.
> > 
> > BushCo aren't conservatives in any sense.  They're
> > radicals, in every sense of the word.  No respect for
> > rules, tradition or even "states rights" when such things
> > stand in the way of their agenda.
> > 
> > 
> > rafe b
> > aka terrapin
> > 
> 
> 
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