[at-l] OT - Trojan Horses

[rcli4 at comcast.net (rcli4@comcast.net)]

you can open my online banking with that password but why would anyone want to.  Just ask and I will give you Felix's credit card number.  That is where the real bounty lies.

Clyde

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> 
> So now we know how to open your online banking, once we hack in? 
> From infinity1plus1 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 18:50:43 2005
From: infinity1plus1 at yahoo.com (Robert)
Date: Wed Jul 27 19:52:17 2005
Subject: [at-l] Re: donkeys and elephants OT
In-Reply-To: <149.49bf00b9.3017f9d3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050728005043.6258.qmail@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Although I knew somewhat where the mascots came from, I found someone with a bit more knowledge about the topic to explain it to everyone... just in case anyone really wanted to know. 
When Andrew Jackson ran for president in 1828, his opponents tried to label him a "jackass" for his populist views and his slogan, "Let the people rule." Jackson, however, picked up on their name calling and turned it to his own advantage by using the donkey on his campaign posters. During his presidency, the donkey was used to represent Jackson's stubbornness when he vetoed re-chartering the National Bank. 

The first time the donkey was used in a political cartoon to represent the Democratic party, it was again in conjunction with Jackson. Although in 1837 Jackson was retired, he still thought of himself as the Party's leader and was shown trying to get the donkey to go where he wanted it to go. The cartoon was titled "A Modern Baalim and his Ass". 
Interestingly enough, the person credited with getting the donkey widely accepted as the Democratic party's symbol probably had no knowledge of the prior associations. Thomas Nast, a famous political cartoonist, came to the United States with his parents in 1840 when he was six. He first used the donkey in an 1870 Harper's Weekly cartoon to represent the "Copperhead Press" kicking a dead lion, symbolizing Lincoln's Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton, who had recently died. Nast intended the donkey to represent an anti-war faction with whom he disagreed , but the symbol caught the public's fancy and the cartoonist continued using it to indicate some Democratic editors and newspapers. 
Later, Nast used the donkey to portray what he called "Caesarism" showing the alleged Democratic uneasiness over a possible third term for Ulysses S. Grant. In conjunction with this issue, Nast helped associate the elephant with the Republican party. Although the elephant had been connected with the Republican party in cartoons that appeared in 1860 and 1872, it was Nast's cartoon in 1874 published by Harper's Weekly that made the pachyderm stick as the Republican's symbol. A cartoon titled "The Third Term Panic," showed animals representing various issues running away from a donkey wearing a lion's skin tagged "Caesarism." The elephant labeled "The Republican Vote," was about to run into a pit containing inflation, chaos, repudiation, etc.. 

By 1880 the donkey was well established as a mascot for the Democratic party. A cartoon about the Garfield-Hancock campaign in the New York Daily Graphic showed the Democratic candidate mounted on a donkey, leading a procession of crusaders. 
Over the years, the donkey and the elephant have become the accepted symbols of the Democratic and Republican parties. Although the Democrats have never officially adopted the donkey as a party symbol, we have used various donkey designs on publications over the years. The Republicans have actually adopted the elephant as their official symbol and use their design widely. 
The Democrats think of the elephant as bungling, stupid, pompous and conservative -- but the Republicans think it is dignified, strong and intelligent. On the other hand, the Republicans regard the donkey as stubborn, silly and ridiculous -- but the Democrats claim it is humble, homely, smart, courageous and loveable. 

Adlai Stevenson provided one of the most clever descriptions of the Republican's symbol when he said, "The elephant has a thick skin, a head full of ivory, and as everyone who has seen a circus parade knows, proceeds best by grasping the tail of its predecessor."

Bror8588@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 7/26/2005 2:57:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bogey1@650dialup.com writes:

How did this jackass get voted into office twice. There must be a lot of
folks who like the raping of America.
Remember though: 90% of the world agrees with 49% of Americans that he "is"
a jackass. And I thought the jackass icon represented the democrats.



Perhaps one of the definitions of a *Jackass* is not being able to 
understand why things happen politically. "Why, oh why, did the people vote for the 
present administration?" The answer is -- that it provides leadership that 
the people want -- hence they voted the way that they did. 

To keep wondering and living in a state of confusion and anger and rebellion 
is to be a *Jackass" or a Democrat. Get over it! The Democrats lost the 
election. There is another one in a little less than four years. Perhaps 
then, there will be a shift and then again perhaps the country will continue to 
choose someone other than a (Jackass) Democrat to be the leader.

Where did the symbol originate? Did the Democrats choose their symbol? If 
so, Why? Perhaps they understood what their party was all about.

And I really do not know what this has to do with MacKaye.

Skylander
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