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[at-l] Geology - Southern AT Mt Tops



I have been told that glaciers never made it to the area south of
Shenandoah Park.  I was wondering what the source of the huge boulders
that are occasionally seen along the trail down there might be.  Is it
erosion from higher up the mt?

Thanks
Kevin (Paddy)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Fiberglass (Bob C)
   2. Finally... (Jim Bullard)
   3. Re: Biscuits--- (W F Thorneloe)
   4. Lovely Dreary Saturday Humor (Frank Looper)
   5. Re: Countdown to retirement... (Jan Leitschuh)
   6. Ice bound (Jan Leitschuh)
   7. OT--biscuits (Marta Clark)
   8. Ice bound (that guy)
   9. Re: Ice bound (Gadog430)
  10. Re: Fiberglass (Howard)
  11. Re: Ice bound (Nina Rogers)
  12. Biscuits - a trip report (W F Thorneloe)
  13. Re: Ice bound (Frank Looper)
  14. Re: Ice bound (Slyatpct@aol.com)
  15. Re: Ice bound  (Linda Patton)
  16. Re: Biscuits - a trip report (Bob C)
  17. I came back (amy)
  18. Re: I came back (Jim Bullard)
  19. Re: I came back (amy)
  20. Re: I came back (Jim Bullard)
  21. Re: I came back (amy)
  22. Re: I came back (W F Thorneloe)
  23. OT - And Why Di I Think I WAs Such A Big Shot? (Jan Leitschuh)
  24. Fwd: [at-l] I came back (amy)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:59:56 -0500
From: "Bob C" <ellen@clinic.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Fiberglass
To: PUDSCRAWLER@aol.com, at-l@backcountry.net,
	womenhikers@yahoogroups.com, at-hikers@yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <20050129125956.838069581.ellen@clinic.net>
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>''...They had only fiberglass ladders and claimed that fiberglass 
> does not conduct electricity.  Is that true, all you people who went
to 
> primary school not so long ago as I?"

Yup

Weary

 




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:24:22 -0500
From: Jim Bullard <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>
Subject: [at-l] Finally...
To: AT-L@backcountry.net
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20050129131513.02be7378@pop-server>
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The Alberta Clipper that has had us in subzero temperatures most of the 
last week has passed. Temps in the mid-20s are forecast for the next
week, 
almost tropical. I'm planning an escape to the woods for next week. It
will 
be only a short hike (4-5 miles) but hopefully it will relieve my cabin 
fever. Last night the local PBS station was exceedingly cruel. They 
broadcast an episode of "Roadside Adventures" (a local production) in
which 
they went camping on an island in the Adirondacks. There were loons 
calling, glassy calm water, autumn foliage, a gorgeous sunset and nearly
as 
beautiful sunrise. Meantime the temperature here was -18*. I keep
telling 
myself "February is only 28 days and if we're lucky March will be mild".




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:35:49 -0500
From: W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>
Subject: [at-l] Re: Biscuits---
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Grumble, I'm without baking powder.

However, the searching around the house has let me find frozen yeast 
biscuits and other goodies, previously hidden by the previous SWMBO. I
even 
found my mother's Christmas chocolate covered peanut butter balls, and a

case of Girl Scout cookies.

I think I know where my lost 35 pounds went.

It is almost as much fun as opening a maildrop.

OrangeBug


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:38:13 -0500
From: "Frank Looper" <mapster@charter.net>
Subject: [at-l] Lovely Dreary Saturday Humor
To: <at-l@backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <008e01c50631$b13127c0$0502a8c0@franks>
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Just before the funeral services, the undertaker came up to the very
elderly widow and asked, "How old was your husband?"

"98," she replied. "Two years older than me."

"So you're 96," the undertaker commented.

She responded, "Hardly worth going home, is it?"

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:36:36 -0500
From: Jan Leitschuh <janl2@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Countdown to retirement...
To: AT-List <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>,	Linda Patton
	<lpatton@mailer.fsu.edu>, Snodrog5@aol.com
Message-ID: <41FBE5C4.6040609@mindspring.com>
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> janl2@mindspring.com writes:
> 
> 
>>> By the close of business today, eArThworm will be a FREE WOMAN!!!
> 
> ----
> How much did that woman cost before?
>  :O 
> Teej

Priceless!

JMHO Shoe
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:41:42 -0500
From: Jan Leitschuh <janl2@mindspring.com>
Subject: [at-l] Ice bound
To: at-list <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <41FBE6F6.1080207@mindspring.com>
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The freezing rain has just hit mid-state NC. The longleaf pines here 
tend to accumulate great loads and snap off their tops with a BOOM!
Usually on power lines.
MY Western Mountaineering Versalite is handy, the fireplace is blazing 
and there is a pile of dry oak by the door. A bottle of shiraz-cab at 
the ready.
I LOVE weather drama. Bring it on! (the man said).

SnuggedIn Shoe
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:39:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Marta Clark <marta_clark@yahoo.com>
Subject: [at-l] OT--biscuits
To: at-l@backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050129193943.10285.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>
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OB, my recipe is a bit richer than that northern
biscuit recipe. ;-) 

Buttermilk Biscuits

Preheat oven to 450 degrees.

Sift together:
1 3/4 c. flour
1/2 tsp. salt
2 tsp. baking powder
1 tsp. sugar
1/2 tsp. baking soda

Cut in:
1/4 c. lard or 5 Tbsp. butter

Add and lightly mix:
3/4 c. buttermilk

On a floured board, knead lightly for 1/2 minute.

Pat dough to 1/4" thickness.

Cut and bake 10-12 minutes.

(This recipe comes directly from "The Joy of
Cooking.")

If you're having trouble with lack of ingredients,
check out the recipes on foodtv.com.  They may have a
recipe for the labor-intensive, no-leavening Beaten
Biscuits, or something else that will work for you.

Ciao!
Marta






	
		
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:06:29 -0500
From: that guy <thatguy.fehchet@gmail.com>
Subject: [at-l] Ice bound
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <e974d76405012912067ce4517c@mail.gmail.com>
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I guess when storms are a coming it's when I'm the most active. Glad
to see a kindred spirit. If you are a backpacker, then the house
around you is minor dressing. The world is your home.
Northeasters in Maine became 3 day cross country survival trips years
ago. Now that I live in Florida if it rains and the wind blows,
everybody stays inside and I'm one of the few on the beach trudging
through the mess with a grin and a sense of purpose.
I love this craziness.
Thanks for those memories. I'd make it by the skin of my teeth some
times. that guy.


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:21:14 -0500
From: "Gadog430" <gadog430@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Ice bound
To: "Jan Leitschuh" <janl2@mindspring.com>,	"at-list"
	<at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <00a801c50640$1d24ed00$55f6c418@fred>
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Well, I got up this morning and went into work. Just got home. While I
was
there, it started with HUGE snowflakes. So beautiful.I was panting
(ya'll
know how I love the stuff). But then the ice rain came. Yuckkk.

Charley was coasted in ice when I got ready to leave. He had to warm up
for
quite a while.
The ride home was not bad. The roads are coated, but not severely. I
just
took a hot bath, and now I am going to sling myself up on the couch with
Paul the Cat, get my favorite down blanket, and watch HBO until my brain
rots. Then I am going to finish reading The DaVinci Code.

Hope that everyone is safe and has warm necessities.
Dawg



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From: "Jan Leitschuh" <janl2@mindspring.com>
To: "at-list" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 2:41 PM
Subject: [at-l] Ice bound


>
> The freezing rain has just hit mid-state NC. The longleaf pines here
> tend to accumulate great loads and snap off their tops with a BOOM!
> Usually on power lines.
> MY Western Mountaineering Versalite is handy, the fireplace is blazing
> and there is a pile of dry oak by the door. A bottle of shiraz-cab at
> the ready.
> I LOVE weather drama. Bring it on! (the man said).
>
> SnuggedIn Shoe
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:40:43 -0600
From: Howard <turtle@min.midco.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Fiberglass
To: PUDSCRAWLER@aol.com
Cc: at-hikers@yahoogroups.com, womenhikers@yahoogroups.com,
	at-l@backcountry.net
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PUDSCRAWLER@aol.com wrote:

>When I was in the primary grades, I was taught about wood and rubber.
They 
>would not conduct electricity.  
>
>Yesterday I went into Francis Bros. hardware store in Marion to
purchase a 
>9-foot wooden ladder so that I can change the light bulbs that loom 4
or 5 feet 
>above me.  They had only fiberglass ladders and claimed that fiberglass
does 
>not conduct electricity.  Is that true, all you people who went to
primary 
>school not so long ago as I?
>
>Kinnickinic
>  
>
That's true for all three for ordinary power sources such as light-bulbs

use.

Turtle




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:57:55 -0500
From: Nina Rogers <infpeace@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Ice bound
To: Gadog430 <gadog430@charter.net>
Cc: Jan Leitschuh <janl2@mindspring.com>,	at-list
	<at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <663a30de05012913573d6d278e@mail.gmail.com>
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It's been a great day here in the Smokies. OK, it's been gray and
cold, with freezing rain and snow ... but oh my, is it nice inside
with our little fire flickering in the fireplace and my dear husband
at HOME because his weekend work-related outing was cancelled!

I hope all hikers in this neck of the AT are safe and sound. It ain't
fit for man nor beast (or SOBOs) out there!

It's lonely, though, knowing all those other folks are a-ruckin' without
us. :-(

Waterfall

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:34:54 -0500
From: W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>
Subject: [at-l] Biscuits - a trip report
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050129173915.09deaeb0@pop3.attglobal.net>
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Today I entered into my plan to make beef stew, but recognized the need
to 
add biscuits to the hiker's menu. Today was the Great Ice Storm of '05,
so 
going to the store looked to be out of the question.

I searched my mental gear kit for biscuits. Nope, nothing there.

I searched my cupboard for the Ronco Instant Biscuit Making Kit. Nope, 
nothing there.

I searched my ancient Betty Crocker Cook Book. Yup, there it was...

But, I needed ingredients. What was missing was Baking Powder. I had
ample 
flour, baking soda, sugar, milk, buttermilk powder, butter, shortening, 
eggs, yeast and other stuff that I thought biscuits might need.

So, I asked a bunch of my RUCKster friends for advice. And I got plenty 
from Chainsaw, Rogene, Kinnickinic, GaDawg and even Weary. Knowing to
watch 
out for Yankee treachery, I left off the temptation to create baking
powder 
from a combination of potash, saltpeter and sulfur, with ground charcoal

sifted with it. Something sounded wrong with it. The sidewalks were in
very 
slick shape, but the road was dry. The bug was ready and willing. The 
window of opportunity opened!

Through that window was Publix! I made haste for the Baking Soda -
Clabber 
Girl, of course. Apparently, everyone else in Smyrna/Vinings was able to

get out and about with Publix and the local Alcohol Warehouse as their 
goals. I studied the flour, after getting berated for being Southern and

devoid of Martha White Self Rising Flour, but didn't purchase more.
(When 
will I learn, dear Lord? When will I learn?)

Preheat the oven: check. Find the ungreased cookie sheet: check. Sift
the 
dry ingredients: Check.

Oops. Is there a difference between a tablespoon and a teaspoon? Well, I

was pretty busy trying to spoon off the Clabber Girl Baking Soda
(remember, 
earlier I had the ultimate shortage) as I had no additional flour for a 
back-up batch. I cut up the butter and stirred it around with a fork, 
hoping that is what cutting butter into flour meant. I added my
buttermilk 
and stirred it until it pulled away from the bowl. Plop onto the floured

board, folding it gently a couple of times - everyone advised me to keep
it 
cold and untouched, yet folded. Patted it fairly flat and about 1/2 inch

thick. Took a sharp knife and cut it into about 14 square biscuits,
plopped 
onto the ungreased cooking sheet, touching each other.

And off to the oven for 10 minutes.

Well, the stew was very good, with hunks of beef, mushrooms, celery,
onion, 
garlic, leeks, potatoes, a turnip, Cabrinet Sauvignon, this and that of 
spices and a full day of stewing. And the biscuits. Brown and golden,
not 
quite flaky but puffed up nicely.

And now, I huddle with candles and keyboard - as the power has failed a
few 
times since dinner. I now have the stuff (other than more flour) to
attempt 
to learn how to make perfect biscuits. This attempt was far from 
perfection, but the results were so good. Probably, my best solo meal 
outside of hiking.

OrangeBug
<hurry and mail this before the DSL or the power go out again.>



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:05:38 -0500
From: "Frank Looper" <mapster@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Ice bound
To: "at-list" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c5065f$6e164460$0502a8c0@franks>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

> It ain't fit for man nor beast (or SOBOs) out there!
> 
Amazingly enough, there are actually NOBOs out there. Strange stuff...


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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:44:33 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [at-l] Ice bound
To: infpeace@gmail.com, gadog430@charter.net
Cc: janl2@mindspring.com, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <9d.5849760e.2f2d87f1@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

In a message dated 1/29/2005 4:59:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
infpeace@gmail.com writes:

> It's lonely, though, knowing all those other folks are a-ruckin'
without 
> us. :-(
> 
> 

And quiet too.  I guess it's all the *northerners* that make all the
noise. ; 
)


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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:03:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Linda Patton <lpatton@mailer.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Ice bound 
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net (AT-L listserv)
Message-ID: <200501300103.j0U13YR05295@mailer.fsu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Sly,
> And quiet too.  I guess it's all the *northerners* that make all the 
> noise. ; )

	Well, we'un's CAN make noise.  You want some noise, I can call
the pigs....SOOO-WEEE!  So there.
	SupposedlyRetiredWormTryingToCleanOutHerOfficeInNorthernFlorida
	  WhereIt'sColdAndRainyByGoshButNoSnowOrIce  :-<
		(Geez, did I just out-Shoe Shoe?)

Linda L. Patton, Reference Librarian, Strozier Library, Florida State
Univ.
     Tallahassee, FL 32306-2047  850-645-1680  lpatton@mailer.fsu.edu
                     Visit my TRAILS BIBLIOGRAPHY at 
       <http://friends.backcountry.net/m_factor/AT_bibliography.htm>


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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:36:56 -0500
From: "Bob C" <ellen@clinic.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Biscuits - a trip report
To: "W F Thorneloe" <thornel@attglobal.net>,
	at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050129213656.1329344593.ellen@clinic.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

The recipe I offered OB was my basic trail mixture, which I prepare at
home, and either carry it with me or include in any mail drops. For
trail use skip the buttermilk and baking soda and add two teaspoons of
baking powder and a couple of spoons of powdered milk. I used to cut in
Crisco. Now I leave the fat out and add olive oil on the trail. Butter
or margarine improves the flavor, but I'm cutting back on such fats.

Mixed with a half cup of water, the concoction makes biscuits. Add a
full cup of water and it becomes a base for blueberry pancakes. It's
adapted from the 60's home preserving guide, "Putting Food By." That
book calls it a homemade bisquick mixture and has directions for making
several pounds at a time.

Weary 

 




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:19:35 -0500
From: amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>
Subject: [at-l] I came back
To: at-l@backcountry.net
Message-ID: <9e55d999e4d69011afa4ea81acb9ac11@mindspring.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I  missed hikers.  Plus, my feet hurt.

-amy



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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:34:02 -0500
From: Jim Bullard <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] I came back
To: amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>, at-l@backcountry.net
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20050130103308.02425a78@pop-server>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

At 10:19 AM 1/30/2005 -0500, amy wrote:
>I  missed hikers.  Plus, my feet hurt.
>
>-amy

Do you feet hurt from hiking?



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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:37:54 -0500
From: amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] I came back
To: Jim Bullard <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>
Cc: at-l@backcountry.net
Message-ID: <ff9ae86532e1b4115acf6b8b9c89df0b@mindspring.com>
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On Jan 30, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Jim Bullard wrote:

> At 10:19 AM 1/30/2005 -0500, amy wrote:
>> I  missed hikers.  Plus, my feet hurt.
>>
>> -amy
>
> Do you feet hurt from hiking?
>
>

Indeed they do.  Also my boots aren't waterproof anymore.  I'm afraid I 
might wear them out before I get to the trail.

-amy



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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:55:24 -0500
From: Jim Bullard <jbullar1@twcny.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] I came back
To: amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>
Cc: at-l@backcountry.net
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20050130104951.024644c0@pop-server>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

At 10:37 AM 1/30/2005 -0500, amy wrote:

>On Jan 30, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Jim Bullard wrote:
>
>>At 10:19 AM 1/30/2005 -0500, amy wrote:
>>>I  missed hikers.  Plus, my feet hurt.
>>>
>>>-amy
>>
>>Do you feet hurt from hiking

>Indeed they do.  Also my boots aren't waterproof anymore.  I'm afraid I

>might wear them out before I get to the trail.
>
>-amy

What sort of boots are they (leather, fabric/suede, etc.)? If they are 
leather you can use mink oil to restore the waterproofing. Manmade 
materials are a little tougher to restore. There are some sprays but
they 
don't last real well. I wear polypro liner socks and wool oversocks year

round because the combination fends off blisters and keeps my feet warm 
even when they get wet. Getting wet feet is almost inevitable when
hiking.



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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:03:23 -0500
From: amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] I came back
To: at-l@backcountry.net
Message-ID: <fbfac76314a966254d6d31c14abb076a@mindspring.com>
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On Jan 30, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Jim Bullard wrote:

> What sort of boots are they (leather, fabric/suede, etc.)? If they are

> leather you can use mink oil to restore the waterproofing.

Leather.  I picked up some NikWax to treat them with.

>  Getting wet feet is almost inevitable when hiking.
>

My feet get wet weather the trail is damp or not.

-a



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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:46:59 -0500
From: W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] I came back
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050130114439.06610200@pop3.attglobal.net>
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Amy, it sounds like you have a lesson about hiking going on here. Tell
us 
about the sore feet and your boots before you spend more time and money 
trying to fix them.

Everyone has wet feet within 3 hours of hiking the AT. Your feet make a 
pint of sweat (each) that you must contend with via wicking socks or 
adequate fitting to avoid blisters. What were your hiking conditions and

what are your feet like today.

OrangeBug


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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:04:34 -0500
From: Jan Leitschuh <janl2@mindspring.com>
Subject: [at-l] OT - And Why Di I Think I WAs Such A Big Shot?
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:41:12 -0500
From: amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>
Subject: Fwd: [at-l] I came back
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>
> Date: January 30, 2005 12:34:46 PM EST
> To: amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] I came back
>
> You have plantar fascitis. You will need different insoles, and 
> possibly prescriptive ones. I suspect that you are walking through the

> pain, but are likely to have a lot of pain each night when you get off

> your feet. Toe comfort is only a small part of boot fitting. I 
> encourage you to find a Phil Orens trained boot fitter.
>
> Avoid going to a podiatrist if at all possible. They will want to 
> inject your soles with steroids, which is painful as hell. The pain 
> makes you stay off your feet for a week, giving them the rest they are

> demanding. Especially, avoid an orthopedist, as they will operate.
>
> Be kind this week, avoiding all walking. Plan on some new boots.
>
> BTW, if you wish, forward this on to the listserv.
>
> OrangeBug
>
> At 11:59 AM 1/30/2005 -0500, amy wrote:
>
>
>> On Jan 30, 2005, at 11:46 AM, W F Thorneloe wrote:
>>
>>> Amy, it sounds like you have a lesson about hiking going on here. 
>>> Tell us about the sore feet and your boots before you spend more 
>>> time and money trying to fix them.
>>
>> I  have a pain that starts in the bottom of my foot behind the ball, 
>> on the big toe side.  It stretches back to the front of my heel, 2-3 
>> inches.  It's worst on blacktop.  It goes away after a while (20 
>> minutes, maybe).  Most likely to occur at the start of a hike.  It's 
>> just in my left foot.
>>
>> My boots are leather LL Beans.  I've used the original insoles, green

>> Superfeet, and Shock Doctor Ultra 2's (most recently.)  No real 
>> effect on the foot pain.
>>
>> I just finally got these boots comfortable enough to walk all day, as

>> far as my toes are concerned.  Which is probably why I"m starting to 
>> have problems.  The leather got stretched out.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Everyone has wet feet within 3 hours of hiking the AT. Your feet 
>>> make a pint of sweat (each) that you must contend with via wicking 
>>> socks or adequate fitting to avoid blisters. What were your hiking 
>>> conditions and what are your feet like today.
>>
>> Well, yesterday it was 7 miles on icy trails.  I mostly hiked in the 
>> dry crunchy snow on the sides to avoid falling on my butt.  I've been

>> putting in about three miles a day on blacktop, trails, and dirt 
>> roads, plus 6-7 miles one weekend day on trails.  I tried hiking both

>> weekend days and became so ravenous it was an issue.
>>
>> I've been wearing liner socks (first time in my life) and whichever 
>> cushy socks were closest when I got dressed.  Thor-lo's or Smartwool.
>> No blister issues.
>>
>> -amy
>>
>>
>>
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