[at-l] musings on wind farms, the Trail, mankind and such

[jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer)]

I think you and all your ilk need to lead by example, have the electricity
shut off to your houses, sell your cars, do not use aircraft or trains, stop
using wood products to save old growth forests, live in mud huts. When you
do that then you will be ready to lead the rest of us. Otherwise its the 'H'
word.

Bryan

 Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis!
>
> And there are unlikely to be "practical plans" as long as every
> attempt to
> discuss conservation alternatives is sarcastically shot down as
> soon as it
> is raised. When even the proponents of technological answers concede the
> looming exhaustion of fossil fuel resources, why do you object to
> considering measures that might slow that thus buying us more
> time to solve
> the problem for future generations?
>
> At 04:48 PM 7/14/2004 -0400, J Bryan Kramer wrote:
> >Oh OK, in the words of Joe Hill: "There will be Pie in the Sky After You
> >Die" right? Wishful thinking but no practical plan.
> >
> >Bryan
> >
> >  Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis!
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Bullard [mailto:jbullar1@twcny.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 15:01
> > > To: J Bryan Kramer; aT-L@backcountry.net
> > > Subject: RE: [at-l] musings on wind farms, the Trail, mankind and such
> > >
> > >
> > > You are the one suggesting those things, Bryan, not I. I was merely
> > > suggesting that thoughtful people might consider whether there were
> > > alternatives to unrestrained growth.
> > >
> > > At 02:52 PM 7/14/2004 -0400, J Bryan Kramer wrote:
> > > >I think if you examine US population growth then you see
> that the native
> > > >population growth is low and most of the expansion comes
> from immigration
> > > >and immigrant reproduction. So I assume that means that you
> are fully in
> > > >favor of expelling all non-native born inhabitants in order to reduce
> > > >growth. We could mobilize the military to conduct house by
> house searches
> > > >for the wetbacks. High tech minefields on the borders might
> discourage
> > > >re-introduction of the pests too.
> > > >
> > > >The other major factor not mentioned is the exponental resource
> > > use growth
> > > >in the third world, especially China and India. So you must be
> > > in favor of
> > > >premptive strikes, maybe by tailored biowar organisms, to
> knock back the
> > > >populations of these areas.
> > > >
> > > >China and India are one major reason that the idiotic Kyoto
> plan was dead
> > > >from the start since they were not limited by that treaty. Its so
> > > >unreasonable that they expect to bring their living
> standards up to first
> > > >world levels.
> > > >
> > > >Bryan
> > > >
> > > >  Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis!
> > > >
> > > > > Despite this bow to basic science and the limits of resources
> > > the author
> > > > > goes on to suggest that the solution to the demands of continued
> > > > > growth is
> > > > > through solar power, nuclear power and cooperative sharing of the
> > > > > remaining
> > > > > resources. It does not seem to occur to him that perhaps we are
> > > > > at a point
> > > > > where we should be considering ways to limit our growth
> > > rather than wait
> > > > > until a crisis forces it upon us.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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