[at-l] Re: CPR Useless?

[jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer)]

I haven't heard anyone say that they would not put out a maximum effort if
they had the opportunity. People are just saying that you shouldn't expect
success. If someone collapses near me I'll put my CPR training to use and
kep it up as long as I can.

There is always that victim from hell lurking in the back of everyone's mind
tho, druggie bum covered in drool and vomit collapses on the street before
your eyes. He may well have aids. Enjoy yourself.

Bryan

"Si vis pacem para bellum"
>
> You know, I just gotta say something here.
>
> Regardless of the chances of survival, isn't the right thing to do to
> try and help your fellow man. Morally as well as medically, it?s the
> right thing to do.
>
> dawg
> OB,
>
> I remember you and I having discussions about this whole event.  We
> *did* go back last winter and we chased a few demons away by doing so.
> We learned from the autopsy that this wasn't this dad's first heart
> attack - and that probably shook us up as much as his dying did.  We
> *all* started "looking in the mirror" and I think we all started
> listening a little bit more to our bodies and our doctors.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W F Thorneloe" <thornel@attglobal.net>
> To: "at-l" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Cc: "Charles Copeland" <charles@uswnet.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:31 PM
> Subject: CPR Useless?
>
>
> > Listen to Charles' story of valiant well trained scout leaders who
> > labored in vain for a fallen peer. They were excellently trained, had
> > plenty of hands to rotate tasks of CPR, got messages out for
> > assistance pretty darned quickly, did not panic or abandon their
> > task as they maintained certain signs of benefit from
> > field resuscitation.
> >
> > Yet the golden hour of getting the victim on
> > telemetry, O2, IV fluids, drugs, cardioversion didn't
> > work out.
> >
> > I feel bad for the team of friends who attempted to resuscitate. They
> > felt "it didn't make a difference." Bullfeathers! They and that troop
> > learned some real world lessons that are painful but essential. Those
> > boys know CPR and first aid aren't just a merit badge.
> >
> >
> > There have been a couple of other miracle stories on
> > the list of CPR after triage should have stopped
> > transfer to Big Medical Center. The process of
> > learning CPR and practice allows the opportunity for
> > those miracles to occur.
> >
> > Learn CPR, but learn how and when to determine that
> > your efforts are for naught. Know that the immediate
> > life and death result isn't the only outcome of the
> > event. Learn how to deal with the traumas of CPR, as debriefing post
> > crash is vital to avoid getting "messed up."
> >
> > CPR in the backcountry is "useless" in the terms that evacuation to an
>
> > appropriate ER and telemetry unit within the Golden Hour is rarely
> > possible. Resuscitation is probably most successful in witnessed
> > lightning strikes, choking, and drowning events. It is
> > worth learning, but other skills are of more daily
> > usefulness. I feel much more pain for the distress of
> > the CPR team than I do for the father who failed to
> > attend to his weakness and malaise.
> >
> > Also, pay attention to the mess that a sudden death
> > leaves. The scout troop, the sons and the family have
> > a great deal of pain and mess to resolve. A boy scout
> > won't have a father at Eagle Scout presentation, high
> > school graduation or a wedding, because his father
> > didn't feel up to going to his doc or the ER with his symptoms of "not
>
> > up to it."
> >
> > Don't be like that father. Don't do that to your kids
> > and family.
> >
> > OrangeBug
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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