Point :) Thanks for the Snake info. If a wild boar gets me there probably won't be much left to rescue, so I won't ask about that :) Think you might want to give an informal presentation/training session/whatever at a Ruck? Surely I'm not the only one clueless when it comes to first aid. Can't hurt to learn. Red Quoting W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>: You just follow your training.