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- Subject: [at-l] Shelter 501 Hiker Feed
- From: mmmorganlady at yahoo.com (Mary M. Morgan)
- Date: Thu Jun 12 10:10:02 2003
- In-Reply-To: <20030605003430.1E0A1B6209@edina.hack.net>
Howdy, All,
I am supposed to shuttle a thru-hiker to the 501 shelter Hiker Feed and since I am a newbie, I don't know where this is. Can anyone help me out? It is definetly in PA. Somewhere near Port Clinton, I think. I have the trail maps and trail guides, etc, but must be missing the shelter numbers, if there are any. Help!
:o) Mary
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Today's Topics:
1. Blood suckers in Maine (Tim Woodworth)
2. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (John H Shaffer)
3. Re: Harpers Ferry to Duncannon Trip Report - Day 10 (the last
day) (Kent Gardam)
4. The insult to Clay (Sloetoe)
5. RE: Blood suckers in Maine (Schweikert, Brian CONT)
6. Re: Mt. TR (was) Mt. Reagen (Snodrog5@aol.com)
7. RE: The insult to Clay (Lilla Thompson)
8. Re: GETTING OT RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
(Charles Copeland)
9. RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (J Bryan Kramer)
10. Re: GETTING OT RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (S Buchanan)
11. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (KellyGoVols@aol.com)
12. Re: Blood suckers in Maine (Jim Bullard)
13. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (Jim Bullard)
14. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (Jim Bullard)
15. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (Kent Gardam)
16. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (KellyGoVols@aol.com)
17. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (KellyGoVols@aol.com)
18. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (KellyGoVols@aol.com)
19. RE: The insult to Clay (J Bryan Kramer)
20. Re[6]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH (Bob C.)
21. AJ (KellyGoVols@aol.com)
22. Where germs live (Platy Hiker)
23. AJ (KellyGoVols@aol.com)
24. Ryan (Jackie Turbot)
25. mountains that need a good renaming (amy)
26. Re: mountains that need a good renaming (KarenS62@aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 13:32:14 -0400
From: "Tim Woodworth"
Subject: [at-l] Blood suckers in Maine
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Hey all,
Just got back from Rockport Maine last night and have to relate an article
from the local Currier Gazette published 5/27. The front page photo showed
a young bull moose jogging through a Thomaston Me backyard. The text under
the photo said moose and deer have been seen more frequently in residential
areas and on highways due to the aggressive, large population of black flies
and mosquitoes in deep forests.
I bet this makes the early southbounders race along too.
Shep
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:12:08 -0700
From: John H Shaffer
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
To: nealb@midlandstech.com
Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I vote for the " Turtles " comments. Right on.
John Shaffer,
www.earlshaffer.com
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kent Gardam
Subject: Re: [at-l] Harpers Ferry to Duncannon Trip Report - Day 10
(the last day)
To: Papa Bear
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Thanks, Pb, I've really enjoyed reading about the trip. Keep us posted with your other hikes this year.
Kent
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sloetoe
Subject: [at-l] The insult to Clay
To: at-l@backcountry.net
Cc: benson@nh.gov
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:35:04 -0400
From: "Ga. Dawg"
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
Why is being elected president not enough in its own merit.
### I think it needs reiterating that, regardless of the
politics or popularity of memorializing a person through naming
a geographical feature for them, it is a *grotesque* insult to
RE-name that geography later on, by a different generation. That
insults not only the honoree, but completely discounts the
generation that named the feature beforehand. Neither geography
nor such historical references should be subject to a popularity
contest of later generations. It's GROSS.
### And for what it's worth, without Henry Clay, we would likely
not HAVE a country. But who cares? What's he done for us lately?
Sloetoe
cc: Gov. Benson
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:48:46 -0400
From: "Schweikert, Brian CONT"
Subject: RE: [at-l] Blood suckers in Maine
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I am sure I heard of it somewhere. I wonder if anyone ever went in and had to be rescued out o the bush due to the blackflies. I have heard tell of fishermen getting stuck in past era's in the creeks in the salt marshes and going mental due to the skitters and such. Has there ever been an instance where someone couldnt walk out on there own due to going mental, being sick or maybe eyes swollen up.
I am looking for material to give my students examples in the importance of knowing what and where natural dangers exist along the trail...any trail. Kind O I guess scare material of sorts. In this case I am only looking for the insects related issues.
HIKER777
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Woodworth [mailto:hiker_00@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 13:32
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [at-l] Blood suckers in Maine
Hey all,
Just got back from Rockport Maine last night and have to relate an article
from the local Currier Gazette published 5/27. The front page photo showed
a young bull moose jogging through a Thomaston Me backyard. The text under
the photo said moose and deer have been seen more frequently in residential
areas and on highways due to the aggressive, large population of black flies
and mosquitoes in deep forests.
I bet this makes the early southbounders race along too.
Shep
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:27:13 EDT
From: Snodrog5@aol.com
Subject: Re: [at-l] Mt. TR (was) Mt. Reagen
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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In a message dated 6/3/03 9:09:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
nealb@midlandstech.com writes:
--------------------
And from an essay by TR
"It is entirely our power as a nation to preserve large tracts of
wilderness...as playground for rich and poor alike, and to preserve the
game...But this end can only be achieved by wise laws and by a resolute
enforcement of the laws. Lack of such legislation and administration will
result in harm to all of us, but most of all harm to the nature lover who
does not possess vast wealth. Already there have sprung up here and there
through the country, as in New Hampshire and the Adirondacks, large private
preserves."
Too bad there is not a mountain somewhere in the middle of the AT to name
for TR.
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Thanks for the thoughtful post, Mr. Turtle
TJ
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:44:00 -0400
From: "Lilla Thompson"
Subject: RE: [at-l] The insult to Clay
To: "Sloetoe" ,
Cc: benson@nh.gov
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Hear, hear! My sentiments exactly.
Lilla
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From: Sloetoe [mailto:sloetoe@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:08 PM
To: at-l@backcountry.net
Cc: benson@nh.gov
Subject: [at-l] The insult to Clay
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:35:04 -0400
From: "Ga. Dawg"
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
Why is being elected president not enough in its own merit.
### I think it needs reiterating that, regardless of the
politics or popularity of memorializing a person through naming
a geographical feature for them, it is a *grotesque* insult to
RE-name that geography later on, by a different generation. That
insults not only the honoree, but completely discounts the
generation that named the feature beforehand. Neither geography
nor such historical references should be subject to a popularity
contest of later generations. It's GROSS.
### And for what it's worth, without Henry Clay, we would likely
not HAVE a country. But who cares? What's he done for us lately?
Sloetoe
cc: Gov. Benson
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:55:20 -0400
From: "Charles Copeland"
Subject: Re: GETTING OT RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
To: "AT-L List (E-mail)"
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Well said. THIS should be forwarded to Gov Benson!
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Neal"
To: "'Ga. Dawg'" ; "AT-L List (E-mail)"
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: GETTING OT RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
>
>
> Dawg
> I was just kidding. But Bill's actions with Monica and other women have
> given him a bad rep. No matter what he has done for his country, it is
> unlikely that anything will be named after him soon.
>
> AS to "Why is being elected president not enough in its own merit?", are
you
> referring to why someone should be honored, or are you reffering to how
the
> honoree should feel?
>
> If you are referring to the first, my point was that no-one should be
> "honored" "BIG TIME" until they are dead. And preferably long after that.
> After all the current generations connected to Bill, Nixon, etc. cannot
> really appreciate or judge them. They, the judges, are too tied into what
> happened. Honoring someone who is dead is a way to continue their memory
> and honor them for what they did.
>
> Just being president is not enough for the very good ones. Just being
> president is too much honor for the really bad ones.
>
> If you are referring to the last, honoring someone after they are dead
puts
> the weight on the shoulders of those who are trying to do the honor.
After
> all a dead president cannot feel egotistical or honored.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ga. Dawg [mailto:gadog430@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:35 AM
> To: 'William Neal'; 'Bob C.'; 'AT-L List (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
>
>
> Why is being elected president not enough in its own merit.
> And no, I am not a Clinton fan, but he was president, and he
> was re-elected by a healthy majoprity. Someone thinks higly of him.
>
> Dawg
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:14:07 -0400
From: "J Bryan Kramer"
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
To: "William Neal" , "'Bob C.'"
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Personally I don't like all this renaming of geographical (or other for that
matter) features.
Bryan
"Si vis pacem para bellum"
> Seriously, I would suggest that no mountain (already named or
> not) be named
> for a President until 100 years (from 1st) Death; 2nd) End of their
> presidential term; 3rd) Birth. The only exception might be for a
> President
> that was assassinated. If we name for a President who is still alive, or
> has only "recently" died, then we are too "near" that President
> to judge if
> they are worthy of such an honor.
>
> William, The Turtle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob C. [mailto:ellen@clinic.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:02 PM
> To: J Bryan Kramer
> Cc: pmags@yahoo.com; at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
>
>
> >"...If it was up to you it would probably be named Mt. Josep Stalin."
> thinks
> >JBK.
>
> No. But I would suggest President Johnson, who signed the original bill
> protecting the trail, or President Carter, who first provided the
> money. The
> simple fact, obvious to all except the bigoted, is that some presidents,
> recognizing that few, if anyone, can own the land needed for long distant
> trails, support public acquisition of land needed for long distant trails.
>
> I'm truly fascinated that almost 20 years after 1984, George Orwell's
> concept of
> "doublethink" remains alive and well. Folks can still love trails and love
> the
> outdoors, but oppose all government efforts to achieve access to
> trails and
> the
> outdoors. I know "R" this is "off topic." Even though there is no
> topic more
> critical to the future of trails.
>
> Weary
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 18:17:36 -0400
From: S Buchanan
Subject: Re: GETTING OT RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
To: "AT-L List (E-mail)"
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Charles Copeland wrote:
> Well said. THIS should be forwarded to Gov Benson!
>
glad to see that at least this list is better informed about who the
leadership of NH is. (as compared to the news article that started this
thread, which referred to "Gov. John Sununu")
spike
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:51:45 EDT
From: KellyGoVols@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
To: jbryankramer@msn.com, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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In a message dated 6/3/2003 6:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jbryankramer@msn.com writes:
> Personally I don't like all this renaming of geographical (or other for
> that
> matter) features.
>
What's the current name of the mountain? I missed out on the original thread.
GoVols
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:34:17 -0400
From: "Jim Bullard"
Subject: Re: [at-l] Blood suckers in Maine
To:
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I have experienced swarms of black flies that left much of my exposed skin a
bloody mess and I have experienced pretty bad mosquito attacks on other
occasions. Although it was distressing, I did not require rescue nor did I
"go mental". I suspect the tales of going mad from the bugs are a bit of
hyperbole.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Schweikert, Brian CONT"
Subject: RE: [at-l] Blood suckers in Maine
I am sure I heard of it somewhere. I wonder if anyone ever went in and had
to be rescued out o the bush due to the blackflies. I have heard tell of
fishermen getting stuck in past era's in the creeks in the salt marshes and
going mental due to the skitters and such. Has there ever been an instance
where someone couldnt walk out on there own due to going mental, being sick
or maybe eyes swollen up.
I am looking for material to give my students examples in the importance of
knowing what and where natural dangers exist along the trail...any trail.
Kind O I guess scare material of sorts. In this case I am only looking for
the insects related issues.
HIKER777
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:44:12 -0400
From: "Jim Bullard"
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
To: "AT-L List (E-mail)"
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I'm with you on that. The current trend in sports complexes is to rename
them after corporations that contribute huge sums of money. How long before
we reach the point that corporations get mountains named after them for
contributing to conservation. Pepsi Peak?
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Bryan Kramer"
To: "William Neal" ; "'Bob C.'" ;
"AT-L List (E-mail)"
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
> Personally I don't like all this renaming of geographical (or other for
that
> matter) features.
>
> Bryan
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:46:55 -0400
From: "Jim Bullard"
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
To: , ,
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FWIW - There are unnamed mountains in the Adirondacks and (I suspect) many other places as well. Why not name those for new honorees?
----- Original Message -----
From: KellyGoVols@aol.com
To: jbryankramer@msn.com ; at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
In a message dated 6/3/2003 6:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbryankramer@msn.com writes:
Personally I don't like all this renaming of geographical (or other for that
matter) features.
What's the current name of the mountain? I missed out on the original thread.
GoVols
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kent Gardam
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] Mt. Reagan in NH
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