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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: - AT "spooks" - My Contribution (Clark Wright)
   2. Re: More info...Iron Mtn. Trail... (Clark Wright)
   3. Re: Bringing your pack on the airplane (Dave Hicks)
   4. Re: frustrated gear lust (Orange Bug)
   5. Re: Bringing your pack on the airplane (Orange Bug)
   6. pics from snowy camp/hike in grayson highlands (Clark Wright)
   7. Re: Crawford "Hotel" --spinoff from Cost to Enter National Parks
(ARTCLOUTMN@aol.com)
   8. RE: I think...again... (Ga. Dawg)
   9. RE: Re[2]: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? (Jim Bullard)
  10. RE: Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? (Ga. Dawg)
  11. RE: Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? (J Bryan Kramer)
  12. Re: Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? THE END (RCLI4@aol.com)
  13. Re: Various stuff (not political ;-) (DTimm65344@aol.com)
  14. Re: Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? THE END
(Tattoomom9@aol.com)
  15. Re: Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? THE END (RCLI4@aol.com)
  16. RE: Bringing your pack on the airplane (Cal Ewing)
  17. RE: Bringing your pack on the airplane (Paul Magnanti)
  18. Re: Bringing your pack on the airplane (Tom Mantooth)
  19. GMC Barn Fire (Raggs)
  20. Re: (OT) Crawford "Hote (OT) l" --spinoff from Cost to Enter
National ... (RoksnRoots@aol.com)
  21. Re: Bringing your pack on the airplane (Slyatpct@aol.com)
  22. embedded tick (Kyvcat@aol.com)
  23. Springer Pebble (Mark Hudson)
  24. Re: embedded tick (Orange Bug)
  25. Preparing for hiking season. (Marielle and Paul)
  26. Re: Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? (DataBook97@aol.com)
  27. Re: Crawford "Hotel" --spinoff from Cost to Enter National Parks
(rick boudrie)
  28. Re: Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? (DaRedhead@aol.com)
  29. (Guest Post) Tyvek in small pieces available (paul bedard)
  30. Fuel on the AT (RangerTWB@aol.com)
  31. Fuel on A.T. (IMPORTANT 2nd MESSAGE) (RangerTWB@aol.com)
  32. RE: [ft-l] Trip Report (belated) (Brad Grant)
  33. (Guest Post) Free (or nearly so) Polartec Hats! (Arthur Gaudet)
  34. Re: Trails Similar to AT (David S.)
  35. AT-L digest, Vol 1 #1422 - 53 msgs (Peter Stubbins)
  36. Lyme Disease Site (Jeff Bray)
  37. boiling a used element (Tab Combs)
  38. Fw: Re[2]: [at-l] FUEL ON THE A.T. (Dave Hicks)
  39. Re: Trails Similar to AT (Dave Hicks)
  40. RE: Trails Similar to AT (Matthew Pulsts)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:08:24 -0500
From: Clark Wright <icw@esisnet.com>
Reply-To: icw@esisnet.com
To: William Neal <nealb@midlandstech.com>
CC: "'smokinjoe'" <marshajones@adelphia.net>,
   "AT-L List (E-mail)" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] - AT "spooks" - My Contribution

I still have my springer stone; it is waiting patiently to make it to
the top of Lady K someday soon! :)

thru-thinker

[who seriously still wants to know if what he saw on the Trail just
south of the Shennies in 2001 has any significance to Wiccans or any
other group . . . no offense meant, but my humor and curiosity remain at
their usual, manic levels! :)]



William Neal wrote:

> I am again behind, and I hope this does not upset anybody.
>
> I almost became Wiccan, but became Roman Catholic instead.  Along the
way I
> collected lots of Tarot cards, read leaves & grounds of all sorts,
swung
> pendulums, and other things.  And I had a friend (through SF) smug
(sp?) me
> in a parking lot near Universal in Orlando.
>
> I think my Southern Baptist foreparents are rolling over in their
graves.
>
> By the by, does anyone know where I can get a copy of LONG LOST
FRIEND? I
> love Manly Wade Wellman's tales of Southern Mountain folklore and he
has
> mentioned the Long Lost Friend, and I would like to include it in some
> stories I am writing.
>
> William, The Zen Buddist Sufi Southern Baptist Roman Catholic Turtle
>
> PS I know that at one time is was "tradition" to pick up a small
pebble at
> Springer and take it to Katahdin.  I have heard there are several
traditions
> that indicate if you do that you will return safely from where you
started
> or that you will return to place you journeyed to sometime in the
future.
> Did anyone take a Springer stone to Katahdin?
>
> If I were leaving today, I would take a stone from my front yard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: smokinjoe [mailto:marshajones@adelphia.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:27 AM
> To: 'Felix'; 'AT-list'
> Subject: RE: [at-l] - AT "spooks" - My Contribution
>
>
> And Felix said:
>
> I was afraid of that. I've looked the picture over and...it didn't
take
> long
> to figure out what we have here...beyond a failure to communicate.
These
> plants are of the vinca family. They are used in a ceremony known by
> many in
> the Wicca-Vinca family as 'The Tie-die Ritual". You either tie the
> plants
> together...or, die. The death isn't that bad, actually...though,
> fortunately,
> no member has ever NOT tied the vinca together and been exposed to
such
> a
> death. I believe, and this is only speculation, that the act of
covering
> the
> trail with the tied-together-plants is 'Northbound-specific'...as no
> southbounder has ever witness it. Most...and, it is important to
realize
> that
> it is not ALL...Most Wiccans eat ice cream when they get home.
>
>
>
>
>
> That is not it at all.   Wiccan tieoffs wil have their own identifying
> characterics.   It is nothing like Felix described.   Really, to make
> light of this very serious religion is to invite disaster upon you and
> your family, therefore it might be better for you if you just didn't
> comment on that which you know so little about.    I do know that
> Wiccans are active in all 50 states and that does include Indiana,
> (wherever the hell that is), and that to denigrate their beliefs and
> their creed is the same thing as saying to a wolf, "please bite me
hard
> on my throat."
>
> Jack
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:15:14 -0500
From: Clark Wright <icw@esisnet.com>
Reply-To: icw@esisnet.com
To: Felix <AThiker@smithville.net>
CC: ATListserv <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] More info...Iron Mtn. Trail...

well, if I get them posted on backcountry.net, you can take a gander at
my pics from a long weekend up there two weekends ago - boy was the wind
blastin and the snow - well it was snowin! :)

thru-thinker

Felix wrote:

> What's the best site out there for some info on the Iron
> Mtn. Trail and others in the Mt. Rogers area? I'm wantin' to
> piece together a nice loop trip in that area... (Woodelf???
> You out there??? Or, are you thinkin' about what we were
> watchin' on TV last night???)
>
> --
> Felix J. McGillicuddy
> ME-->GA '98
> "Your Move"
> http://Felixhikes.tripod.com/
>
>
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>



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Message: 3
From: "Dave Hicks" <daveh@psknet.com>
To: "AT-L [List]" <at-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Bringing your pack on the airplane
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:52:55 -0500

I don't understand the logistical difficulties.

As someone mentioned before, you can get used military duffle bags / sea
bags at nearly throw-away cost from surplus stores.  Do both, as I have.

Another option (which I have used pre-9-11) would be to check with a rug
store.  Rugs get shipped in incredibly heavy plastic bags, which fit
around
a pack rather nicely.  Post 9-11, just tie the top with twine, so that
they
can inspected the contents.

Also, Osprey makes an "Airporter" that is an upscale military duffle bag
/
sea bag, which is rather light, and which sells for around $30.  A
google
search on Osprey & Airporter will bring up a few dozen venders.

Buy a mailing envelope which will hold an empty "Airporter" and address
to
your home.  Put the "Airporter" in this self-addressed shipping envelope
(but do not seal), take both to the PO and check the weight and postage
to
send it home empty from the destination airport, pre-pay postage, and
stick
the empty self-addressed shipping envelope in your pack.  Stick your
pack in
the "Airporter," check it, fly to destination.  Remove pack.  Remove
envelope.  Place "Airporter" in the self addressed postage paid envelope
and
seal.  Drop in mail.  Go take a hike.  Reverse mail / carry logistics at
end
of hike.

Chainsaw

BTW -- Most airline allow two or three checked bags / boxes.   If
(heaven
help you) your pack is over 50 pounds, put some heaver items in a box
(but
do not seal it before check-in).

I recently went to England with 12 pieces of luggage (self, wife,
daughter,
two granddaughters) of which four were checked boxes (mostly presents).
Security inspected them and taped them (using their own tape) at
check-in.
No problem.  On the return trip, ditto for GB security.  However, I was
glad
that I had brought my own tape, as US Customs opened the boxes and I
need to
re-tape them on this side of the pond to be able to handle them.



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:59:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Orange Bug <orangebug74@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] frustrated gear lust
To: Amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>, at-l@backcountry.net

The was a bad example of gear report tease.

Shame!

Tell us, what bag and company. What did you like about it,
especially enough to call and arrange a replacement.

Don't leave us in suspense!

Bill....
--- Amy <askowronek@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> My new sleeping bag showed up today.  It came quickly, it was
> on clearance, it was my size.. wait....

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:09:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Orange Bug <orangebug74@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Bringing your pack on the airplane
To: Victor Hoyt <vhoyt@attbi.com>,
   "AT-L List \(E-mail\)" <at-l@backcountry.net>

Security prefers those cable ties. They are easy to cut. I tend
to keep a Ziplock of them on top of anything packed to make it
easy for the tie to be replaced. One interesting change from
pre-911, we haven't heard the level of theft in baggage and at
the security gate.

Bill...

--- Victor Hoyt <vhoyt@attbi.com> wrote:
> ... I gather the tie-wraps are now frowned upon. Too bad.


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:10:41 -0500
From: Clark Wright <icw@esisnet.com>
Reply-To: icw@esisnet.com
To: ATListserv <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: [at-l] pics from snowy camp/hike in grayson highlands

more to come, but here are 10 pics from a recent snowy long weekender in
the awesome Grayson Highlands! :)

http://gallery.backcountry.net/album25?&page=1

thru-thinker


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Message: 7
From: ARTCLOUTMN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:15:49 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] Crawford "Hotel" --spinoff from Cost to Enter
National Parks
To: rickboudrie@hotmail.com, at-l@backcountry.net


In a message dated 2/10/03 11:48:13 AM, rickboudrie@hotmail.com writes:

<<  I am not sure its true, but word is that most
of it has been used to build scenic turn outs along the Kancamugus (SP?)
Scenic Highway.  >>

Those turnouts were made years before the $20 fee.  It has only been 3
years
since they started collecting the fees.

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Message: 8
From: "Ga. Dawg" <gadog430@charter.net>
To: "'W F Thorneloe'" <thornel@attglobal.net>,
   "'Felix'" <AThiker@smithville.net>
Cc: "'AT-list'" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: RE: [at-l] I think...again...
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:24:33 -0500

What am I missing here?
I don't see no stinking deer?

Dawg

Ps. I think Felix is growing.

-----Original Message-----
From: at-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:at-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of W F Thorneloe
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:50 PM
To: Felix
Cc: AT-list
Subject: Re: [at-l] I think...again...


Is that why you started wearing aluminum foil caps?

OrangeBug

At 12:58 PM 2/10/03 -0500, Felix wrote:
> > Can we assume you have a toy?
>
>well, yes...but, you can't see it in the picture. It's in
>the basement, next to my MRI machine.

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:27:05 -0500
To: ATL <at-l@backcountry.net>
From: Jim Bullard <bullard@northnet.org>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook?

At 07:30 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, Walter Daniels wrote:

> > Speculation based on facts is useful. Speculation based on
> > speculation isn't. Please. If anyone is truly interested in
> > what, if anything, Wingfoot did that violates anyone's
> > rights, they should start by asking the Appalachian Trail
Conference.
> >
> >  Weary
> >
>And speculation by non-lawyers about copyright law is even less useful.

I wasn't going to enter into this but I did look at the sample pages and
immediately noticed that the mileages are Northbound rather than
Southbound
as they are in the two copies of the Databook I have (1999 & 2000).
Since
80+% of hikers do hike NOBO that seems nice to me although I don't know
if
reversing the order is sufficient for "fair use".  Other than that, It
looked like a direct copy.  I have to wonder why he doesn't save himself
some effort and simply issue his parts sans mileage and bundle it with a
copy of the Databook (Buy this guide and get a free copy of ATC's
Databook).

Saunterer


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Message: 10
From: "Ga. Dawg" <gadog430@charter.net>
To: "'Ed Gilroy'" <egilroy@comcast.net>, <AT-L@backcountry.net>
Subject: RE: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook?
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:29:22 -0500

I agree. It's seems that there is a coalition out to get him at any
cost.
No matter who likes or dislikes the dude.

Dawg

-----Original Message-----
From: at-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:at-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gilroy
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:17 PM
To: AT-L@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook?


Here is WF's attribution to the ATC for it's mileage data. This appears
in his "sample pages" section of the ThruHikers Guide on Trailplace.
Give the guy a break...

  Ed

================================

A special thanks is extended to the Appalachian Trail Conference for
providing mileage figures from the A.T. Data Book 2003, which were used
to derive many of the mileage figures in this handbook, and to A.T.
maintainer Bob Peoples who supplied additional mileage figures for a
reroute opened after the Data Book had gone to press (which explains why
the total length for the A.T. in this handbook is 1.6 miles longer than
the total length indicated in this year's Data Book).

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Message: 11
From: "J Bryan Kramer" <jbryankramer@msn.com>
To: "Ga. Dawg" <gadog430@charter.net>, "'Ed Gilroy'"
<egilroy@comcast.net>,
   <AT-L@backcountry.net>
Subject: RE: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook?
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:36:18 -0500

Don't read this as an attack of WF who I personally know nothing about,
but
just sticking an attribution in a work does not excuse copyright
violations.
But for all we know ATC may have granted WF permission to copy their
work,
normally that would lead to a "work reproduced by the permission of..."
type
statement tho.

Bryan

"Si vis pacem para bellum"


>
> I agree. It's seems that there is a coalition out to get him at any
> cost.
> No matter who likes or dislikes the dude.
>
> Dawg
>
> Here is WF's attribution to the ATC for it's mileage data. This
appears
> in his "sample pages" section of the ThruHikers Guide on Trailplace.
> Give the guy a break...
>
>   Ed
>



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Message: 12
From: RCLI4@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:13:12 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? THE END
To: jbryankramer@msn.com
CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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We have had this arguement before.  I think last year when his book came
out.
 and the year befor that and the year before that

Now is about the time Daniel Chazin (He is the fella with his name on
the
data book)comes on and says he gave Wingfoot permission.  You don't have
to
be a Harvard Lawyer to figure out that this arguement is pointless.  I
can't
be the only one that has read Mr. Chazin's post the last three years
running.

Clyde

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Message: 13
From: DTimm65344@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:15:03 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] Various stuff (not political ;-)
To: bennettk@wfu.edu
CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net


Call Nancy at the Hike Inn in Fontana (828) 479-3677.  She does a great
job.

Black&Blue


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Message: 14
From: Tattoomom9@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:22:30 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? THE END
To: RCLI4@aol.com
CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net



                           THANK YOU!

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Message: 15
From: RCLI4@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:39:04 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook? THE END
To: AThiker@smithville.net
CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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In a message dated 2/10/03 10:35:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
AThiker@smithville.net writes:


> You bastard!!! Can't you just let the same people of the same
non-argument
> about
> the same non-sensical thing over and over again??? Who are you to play
> God...?
>
>
>

My mother is the sister of a monkey named Clyde!!!! That's what gives me
the
right.

Clyde

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Message: 16
From: "Cal Ewing" <calebe@fdn.com>
To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, <alyssarr@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [at-l] Bringing your pack on the airplane
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:01:56 -0500



I would suggest going to your airline website and  downloading the
entire
list of prohibited carry-on items. It is a long list.  Boston Logan has
probably the tightest air security in the US. If you try to carry-on a
multi-tool, they will find it and detain you and possibly worse. When I
went
through Boston/Logan in December everyone got the same special
treatment:
body inspections with shoes and belts off. All carry-on luggage was hand
inspected. The metallic sensors in the scanners are set so sensitively
that
even the individual rivets and the zipper on my jeans set the scanner
off.
...The one upside to all this added security (aside from the obvious
increase in safety, real or imagined) is that airlines aren't losing or
misplacing nearly as much luggage these days.  We're I you, having been
thru
both Atlanta and Boston recently, I would feel secure tossing the pack
into
a cheap duffel or box and checking the works.  FYI... the leatherman is
OK
(as is the needle) in the checked bags. That's where it's supposed to
go.
(make sure your bag gets tagged properly too) Caleb




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:24:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: pmags@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [at-l] Bringing your pack on the airplane
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net

I've always had good luck putting my pack and  it its
contents in an Army duffle bag.  Large, takes a
beating, does not look valuable enough to steal
(unlike typical backpacking gear.) Mail it back home
once you are in Atlanta.

Mags


And as side note.. now that I have a buzz cut,people
always ask me if I'm in the service when I carry my
duffle. :-)




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:27:31 -0600
From: Tom Mantooth <tomman@attbi.com>
To: Alyssa Rayman-Read <alyssarr@yahoo.com>,
   at-l <AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Bringing your pack on the airplane

Turtle,

I read some where, I think on this list, that a hiker sent their
backpack via UPS to somewhere at the start and then they were able to
fly with no problems.

I have thought about doing that.  It that person is on the list I would
love to hear how it worked out.

Tom



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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:07:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Raggs <atraggs@yahoo.com>
To: AT-L <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: [at-l] GMC Barn Fire

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I stopped by the Green Mountain Club headquarters yesterday.

http://www.greenmountainclub.org/

The barn was gutted by fire in Feb. The store was closed and no one
around.=
 I had wanted to use the snowshoeing trails out back but went on to
Stowe, =
VT instead. Had a wonderful weekend snowshoeing with views of Mt.
Mansfield=
. Hiked thru Smugglers Notch and watched the ice climbers.

Raggs



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Message: 20
From: RoksnRoots@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:52:13 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] (OT) Crawford "Hote (OT) l" --spinoff from Cost to
Enter National ...
To: greyowl@rcn.com
CC: AT-L@backcountry.net

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In a message dated 2/10/2003 11:21:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
greyowl@rcn.com writes:


>  The are approximately 4,000
> members and we are lucky to get 5 show up for trail
> maintenance.


     ***   There you go...

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Message: 21
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:18:17 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] Bringing your pack on the airplane
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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It's probably already been metioned, but when I flew back from NM this
year I
just cinched all the straps, tucked the loose ends, tagged the pack and
checked it.  I didn't bring anything on the plane except for a book and
some
snacks.

YMMV,

Sly

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Message: 22
From: Kyvcat@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:38:00 EST
To: at-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [at-l] embedded tick

I got in a hurry and skipped the Lyme posts. Now I'm sorry, 'cause I
need
help.

I took a tick, including the head, out of my leg Saturday and put on
alcohol,
then antiseptic cream. Now there's a large bump that itches and
sometimes
hurts. Anybody know if this is normal tick reaction or whether I should
see
my doctor about Lyme?

Thanks.
Vcat

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Message: 23
To: at-l@backcountry.net
From: "Mark Hudson" <hudsom@us.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:41:34 -0500
Subject: [at-l] Springer Pebble

I actually carried one... but I didn't remember the "tradition" until
the
Smokies. When I mentioned it to some other hikers one of them looked at
me
and said "I don't know why I picked up two pebbles on Springer", and I
ended up with his spare.

skeeter



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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:47:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Orange Bug <orangebug74@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [at-l] embedded tick
To: Kyvcat@aol.com, at-l@backcountry.net

That is probably a normal reaction. However, you should take the
tick to a doctor/ER to ID the thing. I suspect that a short
course of Doxycycline will be offered to prevent Lyme or other
tick borne disease. If you discarded the tick, go anyway.

If you can search recent archives, search for Jan's recent
reference to the NEJM recommendations based on a study published
2001.

Bill...

--- Kyvcat@aol.com wrote:
> I took a tick, including the head, out of my leg Saturday and
> put on alcohol,
> then antiseptic cream. Now there's a large bump that itches
> and sometimes
> hurts. Anybody know if this is normal tick reaction or whether
> I should see my doctor about Lyme?
>

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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:53:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Marielle and Paul <hikers99@yahoo.com>
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [at-l] Preparing for hiking season.

Around here (East Coast of Canada)we can't hike in
winter so we cross-country ski and snowshoe.  After
the recent ice storm, it took a week for the trails at
the local ski club to be cleared of fallen trees,
broken branches, and for ice laden trees to be removed
from the trails. We finally got back on the trails and
took some pictures of the beautiful scenery with snow
and ice covered trees.


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Message: 26
From: DataBook97@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:56:35 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook?
To: RCLI4@aol.com, jbryankramer@msn.com
CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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In a message dated 2/10/03 10:15:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
RCLI4@aol.com
writes:


> Now is about the time Daniel Chazin (He is the fella with his name on
the
> data book)comes on and says he gave Wingfoot permission.  You don't
have to
> be a Harvard Lawyer to figure out that this arguement is pointless.  I
> can't
> be the only one that has read Mr. Chazin's post the last three years
> running.

       Okay, I've read this entire thread.

       First of all, it should be understood that I do not personally
have
the copyright to the Data Book, even though I'm the one who compiles the
data.  The copyright belongs to ATC, and I'm not the one who decides
whether
permission should be granted to others to use information contained in
the
Data Book.  That decision is made by the people who work at ATC.  I have
never spoken to Wingfoot, and have never personally granted him
permission to
do anything.

       My recollection is that, in the past, the issue of Wingfoot's use
of
Data Book mileages in his Thru Hikers' Handbook has come up.  I've asked
the
people at ATC, and they replied that he was granted (by them) permission
to
use these mileages.

       However, the issue relating to this year's Handbook appears to be
a
little different.  It has been alleged (and I haven't seen the actual
publication, so I'm just repeating what has been posted by others) that
Wingfoot has not only copied the mileages, but also adopted the same
format
used in the Data Book.  This presents a very different issue.  I don't
know
the answer, but I have forwarded the original message to Brian King at
ATC
and will see what he says.

                   Daniel Chazin
                   A.T. Data Book Editor

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Message: 27
From: "rick boudrie" <rickboudrie@hotmail.com>
To: ARTCLOUTMN@aol.com, at-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [at-l] Crawford "Hotel" --spinoff from Cost to Enter
National Parks
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:57:59 -0500

>Those turnouts were made years before the $20 fee.  It has only been 3
> >years since they started collecting the fees.

Good point, Art.

The more recent construction at the turnout a few miles east of the
height
of land on the Kanc might better be called an "extensive renovation and
expansion".  To me it looks like a whole new turnout with its new
pavillion
and landscaping. Are you sure its not?  I am foggier on work being done
at
the other turnouts along the scenic byway.

And like I said, it may well be the case that the hundreds of thousands
of
dollars for that work did not come directly from the parking passes.
Its
just that when we are asked to understand how precarious the NF budget
is as
we buy our permits, construction like that stands out.   I'd prefer to
see
how that my $20 goes right to maintaining and improving the backcountry
experience.  If, in fact, it does.

Perhaps the Forest Service could do a little cost accounting and publish
how
much a hiker "costs" the taxpayer.  And compare this to how much a
logger or
paper company "earns" the taxpayer.

Rick B





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Message: 28
From: DaRedhead@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:14:20 EST
Subject: Re: [at-l] Has Wingy ripped off the DataBook?
To: AT-L@backcountry.net

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In a message dated 2/10/2003 9:42:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jbryankramer@msn.com writes:

> But for all we know ATC may have granted WF permission to copy their
work,
> normally that would lead to a "work reproduced by the permission
of..."
> type
> statement tho.
>

I'm pretty sure that Daniel stated at some point on this subject last
year
that ATC had indeed granted WF permission to reproduce their data.
Daniel,
ya out there?

Red

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Message: 29
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:01:20 -0600 (CST)
From: paul bedard <thewait46@hotmail.com>
To: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
Reply-To: thewait46@hotmail.com
Subject: [at-l] (Guest Post) Tyvek in small pieces available

* Message posted to AT-L from the National Scenic Trails Website
* by our guest paul bedard <thewait46@hotmail.com>.
* Please use <mailto:thewait46@hotmail.com> to reply to the sender.

I just bought some on ebay for 2.25 per foot. The seller bought huge
rolls =
and will cut to order. It's 8 or 9 feet wide and I bought a piece 10'
long.=
..he says he'll even throw it in a washer to soften..shipping is a flat
$4.=
..I stayed up last night reading whines about finding it :+) just search
eb=
ay for backpacking Tyvek (and I hate spam :+( fun walking ` paul


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Message: 30
From: RangerTWB@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:16:51 EST
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [at-l] Fuel on the AT

I'm hiking the southern 1/2 of the A.T. this year.  Any guidance on how
easy
it is to buy white gas at the grocery stores (or other locations) along
the
way?

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Message: 31
From: RangerTWB@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:17:49 EST
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [at-l] Fuel on A.T. (IMPORTANT 2nd MESSAGE)

Oops -- make my reply address, not "RangerTWB@aol.com", but my other
handle,
"Dolomites01@aol.com"  Thanks.

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Message: 32
From: "Brad Grant" <clangrant@sfcc.net>
To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Cc: <ft-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:50:00 -0500
Subject: [at-l] RE: [ft-l] Trip Report (belated)

Kelly,
I really enjoyed your trip report. Having grown up in the area and lived
th=
ere most of my life until I took a detour to serve 20 yars in the
Navy,and =
moved back to good ole North Central Florida. (Go figure, with all the
purt=
y places I done seent:-D)I was laughing pretty hard at times reading
your r=
eport. Funny thing is that I went to schrool with them thar pipples, God
he=
lp me. I loved your rat in full armor. Round the "mountains" of Ocala we
re=
fer to em as Possums On The Half Shell and thems good eaten too.

Thanks for the bit of levity in an otherwise ho hum day,


Brad

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From: ft-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:ft-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of
KellyGoVols@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:54 PM
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Cc: ft-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [ft-l] Trip Report (belated)


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Plans.  Why make them?  I don=E2=80=99t know why I do.  Nothing I do
ever w=
orks out
like I plan, so why bother?  When I hike/camp especially.

I got a late start on Saturday.  I intended to leave at 3:00 a.m. to get
to
the Florida Trail trailhead at Juniper Springs in the Ocala Forest at
8:00
a.m. to begin my six mile hike to Hidden Pond, a popular, "unofficial"
campsite in the middle of the Juniper Prairie Wilderness, the
southernmost
designated wilderness area in the southernmost forest in the United
States.
I was going to hike in, set up camp, spend the night there, and then
hike o=
ut
on Sunday and continue from there.  Well.  I didn=E2=80=99t leave at
3:00 a=
.m.  I
left at noon.

Due to my late start, I needed to find a place to pitch a tent when I
arrived, and had called Alexander Springs to inquire about the
availability
of campsites.  I was told to "come on up, we got plenty."  I got there
at
4:30, leaving me enough time to set up the tent and go explore a little.
O=
n
my explorations, I was a little frightened to see all the BEWARE OF
BEARS
signs posted all over the place, but it kept getting darker and colder
and =
I
got hungry and so those worries out weighed the bear worry.  I made
dinner =
of
Mountain High brand Beef Stroganoff.  Very yummy and quick and easy and
no
mess.  Eat right out of the bag, packaged in such a way it had a bottom
so
the stuff didn=E2=80=99t spill over.  I had some Duraflames in the truck
wh=
ich I used
along with a bundle of wood I bought at gate, and made myself a yummy
fire.
I pulled on both pairs of long johns, some fleece pants, a long sleeved
tee=
,
a fleece pullover and my parka.  I had on my newly purchased and
oh-so-love=
ly
camouflage gloves and my ridiculous and hideous face mask (get down with
my
bad sky piece!) and plopped the Petzl on my forehead, turned it on, and
wen=
t
exploring around Alexander Springs, hoping to find someone to talk to.
I
walked passed three guys, and they looked at me strangely, not knowing
whether I was man, woman or child.  I expected them to say something
along
the lines of "what the hell was that?"  But instead, I was rewarded by
one =
of
them saying to the other, "Wow, that=E2=80=99s convenient."  I wonder
what =
was so
convenient?  My bad sky piece or my Petzl.  I reckon it was the Petzl.
I d=
idn
=E2=80=99t have to hold a light, and could put my hideous gloved hands
in m=
y parka=E2=80=A6
.barely.  I had so much stuff on, that my arms nearly stuck straight out
to
my sides. I was a living, breathing, cartoon.. Southpark style.

As I was walking along, what did I find in the bright light of my Petzl?
A
rat in full body armor.  Yup, folks, an armadillo.  It  sauntered across
th=
e
foot path I was on.  It stopped for a second and looked at me, both us
admiring or contemplating the strangeness of the other, and then he/she
sauntered on, as much as a rat in full body armor can saunter.
I=E2=80=99d=
 never
seen an armadillo before, and I was so excited that I did a little jig,
but
you couldn=E2=80=99t tell I was dancing under all them layers.

I finally got too cold and headed back to my campsite and sat by the
fire. =
 I
had an old, round Persian rug that I intended to give to my mom, but
decide=
d
not to since I was buying a house and I might need it in the new house,
so =
it
was in my truck doing nothing.  Not that night, No sirree Bob. It
provided =
me
a most beautiful and luxurious place to rest my feet.  I plopped down a
bea=
ch
chair on the rug in front of my fireplace.  All the comforts of home.
The
wood I got at the gate was NOT burning properly, being damp and all, as
everything in Florida almost always is, and my Duraflames had burnt out.
I
needed some more fake wood. I got in the truck and drove to the country
sto=
re
and bar.  This place, barely big enough to turn around in, was warm and
coz=
y
and I wanted to pitch a tent RIGHT THERE.  Anyway, it was little, and I
thought NO WAY is this place going to have Duraflames.  I had to ask
about
the availability of Duraflames, as everything was placed willy nilly,
with =
no
reason to the stock.  Well, having been in Ocala (which is essentially
more
southern than South Florida) for a mere four hours, my accent was back
in
full force.  The conversation went something like this:  "Ya=E2=80=99ll
got=
 inny fake
wud?"  The girl behind the counter points to a corner and says, "Yeah,
hunneeee, over=E2=80=99n d=E2=80=99corner thar, if theys inny lay-ift,
what=
zat on yur
hay-ed?"  I took off the bad sky piece so=E2=80=99s not to scare the
locals=
, or the
wildlife for that matter, so I reckon she was talking about my Petzl,
which=
 I
had left shining brightly on, and forgotten to take off.  So there I
walked
in, like a deranged miner, looking for fake wood. And beer.  Next door
to
this dandy country store was a bar, and I nearly gave up the wilderness
and
had drinks with the locals.  Alas, I stuck to my semi-plan, grabbed a
six
pack of Heineken and the last two logs of fake wood.  They had one six
pack
of Heineken and two logs.  I cleaned them out!  I was running short on
cash=
,
and thought no way do they accept American Express.  Well, They take
everything.  Food stamps, Mastercard, Visa, fresh kill, you name it,
they
take it, and even give you $20 extra if you need it.  So I paid for my
purchases and got myself some cash to boot.  Gotta love a country store
lik=
e
that.  I drove back to camp and crawled out of my toasty truck, grabbed
my
six pack and my fake "wud" and sat down in my beach chair on my
luxurious
Persian rug and grew my fire and drank my beers.  All six of them.  Then
I
had to go.  Dang, why didn=E2=80=99t I think of that?!?!?  I had to go,
lik=
e twelve
times.  Ohh whine whine pooh!  I had to undo eighteen things just to
pee.  =
I
wished I had added a diaper to those layers.  I didn=E2=80=99t want to
leav=
e the
comfort of my fire, so I slept there.  The fire would die down,
I=E2=80=99d=
 wake up,
put another log on, and go back to sleep.  I did this till the wood was
gon=
e.
 I finally put on my toasty-toes, and my hand warmers and climbed in my
ten=
t
and into my 15 degree bag.  15 degree bag my ass.  I was freezing.  I
was s=
o
cold, my snot was freezing.  It was gross.  Then, just when I thought
thing=
s
couldn=E2=80=99t get worse, I had to=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 you guessed it,
pee.=
  Out of the bag and out
of tent and into the cold and around a tree, unbutton, unsnap, unlace,
pull
up, pull down one layer, next layer, next layer, last layer, squat and
pee.
Then repeat the whole process in reverse.  Whew!  I slept little, but my
fe=
et
stayed warm, thanks to toasty-toes.

Finally, morning arrived and I was just too cold to get out and cook
breakfast.  I climbed in my truck, and went on a hunt for a warm
restaurant
and HOT food and HOT coffee.  On the way, I had to slam on the breaks of
th=
e
truck to turn around and observe one of the most awesome sights I have
seen
in a while.. It was cold, folks, 23 degrees according to the radio, and
the
Springs themselves stay at a comfortable 72 degrees.  It was around 7:00
a.m., and the sun was coming up.  Palm trees and other Florida Foliage
dominated the landscape.  I had the road to myself.  I went over a
bridge
that crossed Alexander Springs, and the steam from the springs floated
abov=
e,
with the foliage in the background, not a cloud in the sky, the sun
shining
brightly over everything, trying its best to penetrate the fog over the
springs.  I wanted to breath in what I was seeing.  I wanted to touch
and
feel it and be a part of it.  I reckon I was a part of it, although I
felt
distant, manmade and thought out compared to this miracle of nature.
This w=
as
a once in a lifetime.  It was God, and it was a site to behold, and one
I
looked at while it lasted.  I was alone in the midst and mist of God,
and i=
t
was beautiful. I didn't bother to take a picture.  I didn't want
something
tangible and inferior to replace what I had seen.  It eventually warmed,
an=
d
the steam vanished, but not the beauty, and certainly not my awe.

I drove almost to Salt Springs on Highway 19, and pulled into a lot that
di=
dn=E2=80=99
t have much but a lot and a tiny strip mall.  I couldn=E2=80=99t tell
you w=
hat was in
any of the shops in the strip mall, as none had names.  I asked a lady
in t=
he
parking lot where I could get a hot breakfast.  She looked at me like I
was
stupid or something, and pointed to a place that had a neon sign that
said,
OPEN.  Ok, so it=E2=80=99s called Open.  I reckon it don=E2=80=99t have
a n=
ame when it=E2=80=99s
closed.  And if it=E2=80=99s closed, what=E2=80=99s the point of having
a n=
ame? It=E2=80=99s a moot
point. Logistics of the forest.  I walked in to Open and everyone
stared.
They didn=E2=80=99t know me. Everyone in there knew everybody else.  Oh
wel=
l, give=E2=80=99
er a chair and a menu with no name on it, and hot coffee and eggs and
count=
ry
potatoes and biscuits and gravy.  I listened as the other diners talked
amongst themselves, sometimes to each other from across the diner,
waitress
included.  It was entertaining.  I did learn something, however.  Some
country rednecks were talking about the ways of city rednecks.  It went
something like this:  "Ye-ah, tha-at Wilyum (William), he=E2=80=99s a
city =
ray-ed
nick, I gotta git on=E2=80=99im all day, we cuntry ra-ed nicks gotta
tetch =
these city
ra-ed nicks a thang or two. So I reckon I=E2=80=99m a city redneck.  I
neve=
r knew
they was a name for me. Anyway, the eggs and bacon and homemade biscuits
an=
d
gravy and hashbrowns were good and cheap.  After I finished my country
breakfast, I headed south on Highway 19 again, looking for Forest Road
10. =
 I
found Forest Road 76, which was nowhere near forest road 75 or 77, but
one
road from 10.  OK!  I headed down forest road 76 just to check it out,
foun=
d
the Florida Trail, and after checking my map, found that I could hike in
a
few miles to Hidden Pond, my original destination. I parked the car,
hiked
the hike, and it was beautiful.  It was just gorgeous. The forest was
beautiful the weather was amazing, the prairies in Florida cannot be
described.  The sky was the most awesome shade of sapphire you have ever
se=
en
and I got to see the pond of my past that I remember so fondly from my
last
hike there.  Soft sand will kill you, and I got shinspints!  You walk on
th=
e
beach for three hours!

After I got back, I got in my truck to head back to town to eat at the
Cracker Barrel, I tried to back out of my wilderness parking spot. No no
no
no no no!  I was going NOWHERE. My truck was stuck in the sand.  I was
stuc=
k,
miles from nothing, with no hope in site, 10 miles from the nearest
paved
road.  I contemplated my situation and cussed.   A lot. I waited and
contemplated and screamed and cussed, but I didn=E2=80=99t cry or kick
the =
car, but I
did throw the piece of junk with no signal cellphone a few times.
Then, o=
ut
of the forest came an angel.  My angel was a divorced Grandpa named
Robert,
out hiking and camping with his dog, Buddy.  I walked down the road to
meet
him, and he says, "I reckon you=E2=80=99re stuck"  Yup.  "Well, from
here,=
 it don=E2=80=99t
look like you=E2=80=99re THAT stuck.  I=E2=80=99m VERY stuck. "Well,
lets t=
ake a look=E2=80=A6.. YUP
you=E2=80=99re stuck as stuck."  I told Robert that I didn=E2=80=99t
know w=
hich way to walk
for help, and could he help me in this department.  He told me his camp
was=
 a
couple of miles north, and he=E2=80=99d go get his car and try and pull
me =
out.  I
told him I=E2=80=99d walk with him, otherwise I might kick my new truck
and=
 do more
damage.  We walked and talked and he was a nice guy with a nice dog.  We
rounded the corner of a place called Hopkins Prairie, and my GOD!  It
took =
my
breath away!  Miles and miles of beautiful blue ponds, with a background
of
Palms and tall, breezy grasses.  Birds galore and a sky the color of
cobalt=
.
This is definitely the place where I shall pitch my tent next time
around.

When we got to his campsite all I could think was "Lord above!"  What
was
parked in front of his campsite?  A beautiful Blue Jaguar.
Unbelievable.  =
We
hopped in the Jag, stopped at the camp hosts spot and borrowed a chain
and
went to rescue my truck. When we arrived back at my truck, we talked
about
which way was the best way to tackle the situation.  In no time at all,
a
man and his young boys drove by in a Jeep.  Perfect!  In less than a
minute=
,
I was out.  I thanked them both profusely, and offered all my left over
foo=
d
and anything else I had that they might need.  I had intended to stay
anoth=
er
night, but I=E2=80=99m sorry folks, it was just too damn cold.  They
wouldn=
=E2=80=99t take
anything, even money.  Anyway, Robert, Buddy, boys in the jeep, if
you=E2=
=80=99re out
there, I thank you kindly.

Well, I hopped in the truck to drive to another area of the forest to do
another anticipated hike.  I drove down the dirt road where my car was
stuc=
k,
and as soon as I hit pavement, and went over 50 mph, my car started
shimmyi=
ng
and shaking like there was no tomorrow.  I was almost 400 miles from
home,
alone, and just plain tired.  Tired of EVERYTHING.  Mostly tired of
things
not working out.  I had an awesome attitude up until that point, and
now, t=
o
hell WITHITALL! I wanted to throw the TRUCK, not just the stupid,
worthless=
,
no signal cellphone in the nearest gator infested swamp. (Word to the
wise,
when hiking, a cellphone is useless, might as well bring a 2 pound
brick.)
On top of it all, it was Sunday, and no way in the world was a service
station in small town USA open.  I was wrong.  Again, I was rewarded
with a
bit=E2=80=99o good luck.

Tiny, of Tiny=E2=80=99s Service, in Alton, Florida, listened to my woes.
H=
e hopped
in my truck, me in the passenger side, and Tiny-not-so-Tiny, drove my
car t=
o
the 50 mph mark, nearly knocking me out of the car with his elbows while
he
drove. He knew immediately what was wrong.  I felt like an idiot.  After
driving 60 miles at 40 mph in a 50 mph zone to get to Tiny,  all the
while =
my
car is shimmying  like fringe on a stripper, Tiny told me "you got sand
in
yur tar."  Yep, folks, sand in my tar.  He pulled about a cup of sand
out t=
he
inside rim of my tire, and my truck was fine.

I drove 100 mph down I-95, and made it home in record time to my VERY
syphathetic and VERY warm boyfriend.

What did I learn?  My adventures in the forest are never what I expect.
Armadillos are cute.  Country stores carry "wud" and imported beer take
Ame=
x.
 Toasty Toes work. There are places with no names or simply
=E2=80=98Open" =
that are
awesome.  I=E2=80=99m a city redneck.  I don=E2=80=99t like the outdoors
wh=
en it=E2=80=99s cold.
Sand in your "tar" will turn your truck into a paint mixer.  People are
nic=
e.
 And last, and most importantly, I love the wilderness still.

Love,
KellyWent
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:47:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Arthur Gaudet <agaudet@theworld.com>
To: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
Reply-To: agaudet@theworld.com
Subject: [at-l] (Guest Post) Free (or nearly so) Polartec Hats!

* Message posted to AT-L from the National Scenic Trails Website
* by our guest Arthur Gaudet <agaudet@theworld.com>.
* Please use <mailto:agaudet@theworld.com> to reply to the sender.

Friends at AT-L,

Since Christmas I've been making up lots of polarfleece hats, too many
for =
the family and hiking friends I see locally. So I'm offering to send
them t=
o anyone on the list who has cold feet during these days of winter
hiking. =
(My grandmother always told me "if your feet are cold, go put on a hat!"
Sh=
e said it in French....)

There is only one style, it's a watchcap with 6 wedges forming the top,
and=
 a generous band that folds up/down of doublethick fleece. The fleece is
Ma=
lden Mills polartec 200, the really good stuff. You don't have a choice
of =
colors but you can tell me your size (S, M, L) and I'll try to match
your r=
equest. Comparable hats sell for $25.

I'm not doing this as a moneymaking thing but I'd appreciate help with
defr=
aying costs for mailing. No need to send anything up front. If you like
the=
 hat send something to cover the expense of sending it to you. This is
bein=
g done in the same spirit as Tin Can Man's alcohol stoves a couple of
years=
 ago.

As you might know polartec is made principally from recycled plastic
bottle=
s. The fleece I'm using is from the factory store, a mix of off-the-roll
an=
d stuff from the scrap pile. It's warm and soft, and doesn't pill as
easily=
 as other fleeces out there. Making a hat takes approximately one hour
from=
 start to finish now that I have a process to follow.

I can fill about 25 requests so I'll be doing it in the order email is
rece=
ived.

On another note I hope everyone is having as much fun this winter as I
am. =
This January I've been hitting the Whites in a big way, summitting
several =
4000 footers and snowshoeing along the AT. So far I've reached the
summits =
of: Willard, Stinson, Cannonballs, Hale (near Zealand Hut), the Wildcats
(A=
 thru E)near Carter Notch, Willey (near Ethan Pond), and both peaks of
Osce=
ola.

Arthur aka RockDancer '97


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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:24:18 -0500
From: "David S." <davids@instantseats.com>
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [at-l] Trails Similar to AT

Thanks for all the pointers, folks.

I was suprised no one suggested the Potomac Heritage National Scenic
Trail/C&O Canal Towpath or the Benton MacKaye Trails.  Anyone have any
experience hiking either?

Six2


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Message: 35
From: "Peter Stubbins" <pstubbins@abm.com>
To: alyssarr@yahoo.com, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:32:43 -0800
Subject: [at-l] AT-L digest, Vol 1 #1422 - 53 msgs

From: Peter Stubbins (Uncle Gunk) pstubbins@abm.com OR
duckydrake@msn.com
I am sure you can go the Cobra route.  If you haven't parted company
with
your previous/current employer yet, maybe you can talk them into giving
you
an extended leave of absence. The health insurance may be cheaper. I am
not
sure on this LOA route.  My wife was a medical claims maven, but she is
not
longer with us. I am trying to track down an answer on this.  I'll let
you
know what I find out.  But, Cobra is definitely a yes!  .
Subject: [at-l] Travel health insurance

Have any of yall ever utilized COBRA to continue receiving health
insurance
coverage from your pre-hike employer? i'm hoping to do that this spring,
so
 if you have any feedback/advice i'd sure appreciate it.
i'm brother ron, by the way, and i'm real happy to be a new member of
this
community.

> > Any opinions about which travel health insurance is
> > the best bang for the buck?
I used an Anthem Blue Cross Major Medical policy with a
$1000 deductible (total cost for me was $256 for the entire
6 month period -- I renewed it from Caratunk, ME for
another 6 months while on my thru-hike because, well, I
didn't get done within six months and they only had a 6
month renewal option).
I understand insurance companies look at men and women
differently [open to everyone's comment here] so your costs
for a Major Medical policy may be quite a bit different
than mine.
Datto






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Message: 36
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 16:08:02 -0500
To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
From: Jeff Bray <jkbray@mindspring.com>
Subject: [at-l] Lyme Disease Site

The CDC has a nice page on the issue:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/qa.htm

Bushwacker



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Message: 37
From: "Tab Combs" <tacombs99@worldnet.att.net>
To: "AT-L List \(E-mail\)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:33:27 -0500
Subject: [at-l] boiling a used element

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>Has anyone tried boiling a used element?

I tried to boil my pur hiker.  not a good idea.  it melted.

-cheeseburger
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Message: 38
From: "Dave Hicks" <daveh@psknet.com>
To: <RangerTWB@aol.com>
Cc: "AT-L [List]" <at-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: Fw: Re[2]: [at-l] FUEL ON THE A.T.
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:52:22 -0500

FYI

Chainsaw

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob C." <ellen@clinic.net>
To: "Doug Cullen" <dacullen@adelphia.net>
Cc: <Dolomites01@aol.com>; <at-l@backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:08 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [at-l] FUEL ON THE A.T.


Coleman Fuel and its generic substitutes can be found in every corner
store
and
in every town with a retail outlet. Most trail hostels sell it by the
ounce.
Some give it away.

 Weary


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Message: 39
From: "Dave Hicks" <daveh@psknet.com>
To: "David S." <davids@instantseats.com>, <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [at-l] Trails Similar to AT
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:59:16 -0500

The C&O is a near flat cinder path where you must dodge bicycles.  Far
more
like the typical Rails-to-Trails multi-use trails.  Although I have
walked
the length of it, I would never equate it to the AT -- except some very
atypical segments such as where it is the AT.

Chainsaw

----- Original Message -----
From: "David S." <davids@instantseats.com>
To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [at-l] Trails Similar to AT


Thanks for all the pointers, folks.

I was suprised no one suggested the Potomac Heritage National Scenic
Trail/C&O Canal Towpath or the Benton MacKaye Trails.  Anyone have any
experience hiking either?

Six2

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Message: 40
From: "Matthew Pulsts" <MvPulsts@earthlink.net>
To: "'David S.'" <davids@instantseats.com>,
<at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: RE: [at-l] Trails Similar to AT
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:15:34 -0500

The Benton Mackaye is very nice but TOUGH.  Lots of ups and downs.
Resupply
points are there but unreliable.  Im going to do it soon but im going to
cache supplies..


>-----Original Message-----
>From: at-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net [mailto:at-l-
>admin@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of David S.
>Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:24 PM
>To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [at-l] Trails Similar to AT
>
>Thanks for all the pointers, folks.
>
>I was suprised no one suggested the Potomac Heritage National Scenic
>Trail/C&O Canal Towpath or the Benton MacKaye Trails.  Anyone have any
>experience hiking either?
>
>Six2
>
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