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- Subject: [at-l] Re: AT-L digest, Vol 1 #1148 - 37 msgs
- From: daleamerica@attbi.com (dale moore)
- Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:24:52 -0400
- References: <200208280446.g7S4kWL69091@mailman.hack.net>
The water is down a steep blue blaze .5 mile, They had gallon jugs of water
, to be re filled by the user when I was there in May. DaleAmerica
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> 1. (Guest Post) How to get from Boston to Glencliff, NH (Andrew Claus)
> 2. (Guest Post) Desperately seeking partner!?!? (Beth Wojcik)
> 3. HATT Hike water situation ??? (Gary Roberts)
> 4. Re: OT (was Scouts) (GADog430@aol.com)
> 5. Re: Dude, The Rash (GADog430@aol.com)
> 6. WeatherCarrot (Trailwife@aol.com)
> 7. Re: (Guest Post) How to get from Boston to Glencliff, NH (rick
boudrie)
> 8. Spelling (rick boudrie)
> 9. Re: Spelling (GADog430@aol.com)
> 10. Re: OT (was Scouts) (Msthiker@aol.com)
> 11. Scrabble question (ted anderson)
> 12. Re: Scrabble question (Felix)
> 13. Re: Dude, The Rash (ted anderson)
> 14. Nomad tent (George Andrews)
> 15. Re: WeatherCarrot (DaRedhead@aol.com)
> 16. Forward from ALDHA list (DaRedhead@aol.com)
> 17. Re: Nomad tent (George Andrews)
> 18. Airplane Crash in SNP (rick boudrie)
> 19. Jan Day 27...TADA!!!! (kahley)
> 20. Re: Re: help me with my gear list - please (Clark)
> 21. Re: Re: help me with my gear list - please (Clark)
> 22. Re: Airplane Crash in SNP (DTimm65344@aol.com)
> 23. Re: wild pig attack (Clark)
> 24. Re: Whitetop elevation (Clark)
> 25. One Year Ago Today- An Idea? (Clark)
> 26. Re: Dude, The Rash (Clark)
> 27. Re: Thru Hike completed (Clark)
> 28. Re: Airplane Crash in SNP (Orange Bug)
> 29. Re: Airplane Crash in SNP (DTimm65344@aol.com)
> 30. RE:One Year Ago Today- An Idea? (Chris Young)
> 31. Sunday evening shuttle to Pinkham Notch (Karin Claus)
> 32. Re: Dude, The Rash (Charles Davidson)
> 33. Re: Jan Day 27...TADA!!!! (walks sober)
> 34. Re: OT - TN Yankees (Rogene Beers)
> 35. Re: Dude, The Rash (Orange Bug)
> 36. Re: Whitetop elevation (DaRedhead@aol.com)
> 37. Re: Dude, The Rash (Datto)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:26:23 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Andrew Claus <andrewclaus@yahoo.com>
> To: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Reply-To: andrewclaus@yahoo.com
> Subject: [at-l] (Guest Post) How to get from Boston to Glencliff, NH
>
> * Message posted to AT-L from the National Scenic Trails Website
> * by our guest Andrew Claus <andrewclaus@yahoo.com>.
> * Please use <mailto:andrewclaus@yahoo.com> to reply to the sender.
>
> I'm trying to meet my thru-hiker wife, Greasepot, in NH for the last 400
or so miles of the Trail. Does anyone know a good way to get to Glencliff
or nearby? This would happen around September 4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:02:32 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Beth Wojcik <bethswolfpack@hotmail.com>
> To: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Reply-To: bethswolfpack@hotmail.com
> Subject: [at-l] (Guest Post) Desperately seeking partner!?!?
>
> * Message posted to AT-L from the National Scenic Trails Website
> * by our guest Beth Wojcik <bethswolfpack@hotmail.com>.
> * Please use <mailto:bethswolfpack@hotmail.com> to reply to the sender.
>
> Section hiking AT from Montebello, VA area to
> Springer Mtn., GA . Was sidetracked in
> Montebello when partner left the trail. Open to
> starting point but need partner asap to finish.
> Thank you for any help,
> Beth
> 8/26/02
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: Gary Roberts <GRoberts@npr.org>
> To: "AT-L (E-mail)" <at-l@backcountry.net>,
> "BackpackingLight@onelist. com (E-mail)"
<BackpackingLight@onelist.com>,
> "HATT 2002 (E-mail)" <hatt@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:49:31 -0400
> Subject: [at-l] HATT Hike water situation ???
>
> Anybodt know if there is water available at the new "Ed Garvey Shelter?
And
> surrounding area's? I know I can get water in Harper's Ferry but also
what
> about the Loudon Heights (Southbound) to WV Route 9)???
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: GADog430@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:12:00 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] OT (was Scouts)
> To: saunterer@jimbullard.org, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:50:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> saunterer@jimbullard.org writes:
>
>
> > Once again we are dealing with someone who is more interested in an
> > audience for his opinion than in discussion of the topic(s) the AT-L is
> > intended for. I have suggested to Dave that he might find the TA list
more
> > receptive to the kind of debate he wishes to promote but he continues to
> > post provocative notes here. I suggest that we cease responding to any
of
> > his posts that fall into that category or if you wish to respond (as I
have
> > to some of his comments) do so off-list. Now back to our usual
> > programming...
> >
> > sAunTerer
>
> If he could spell, I might be willing to 'listen' to his viewpoint.
> First rule of thumb if you want to get a message across, don't
> dsitract from it.
>
> Humble Dawg
> WOOF WOOF WOOF
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: GADog430@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:18:44 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Dude, The Rash
> To: rafe.bustin@verizon.net, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 8/27/2002 7:50:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> rafe.bustin@verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > Part D is Gold Bond powder. Part E is just putting up with it.
> >
> >
> > rafe b.
> > aka terrapin
>
> Jogging shorts under nylon shorts.
> Dawg
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: Trailwife@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:38:21 EDT
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] WeatherCarrot
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Hi All
>
> This morning while out doing some last minute field checking for the 2003
> Companion I saw our own WeatherCarrot heading into Hanover. He was well
and
> happy and looking forward to going to the Gathering.
>
> ORR
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "rick boudrie" <rickboudrie@hotmail.com>
> To: andrewclaus@yahoo.com, AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] (Guest Post) How to get from Boston to Glencliff, NH
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:38:49 -0400
>
> >I'm trying to meet my thru-hiker wife, Greasepot, in NH for the last 400
or
> >so miles of the Trail. Does anyone know a good way to get to Glencliff
or
> >nearby? This would happen around September 4.
> >
>
> Here is one suggestion. Keep in mind that my personal experience is
limited
> to waiting at the bus stop at Logan Airport, however.
>
> You can get a bus that will take you to either Hanover, NH or Lincoln, NH
in
> front of most terminals at Logan Airport. Hanover is about 50 miles trail
> miles south of Glencliff, and Lincoln (right next to North Woodstock) is
> about 15 miles trail north of Glencliff. Since Hanover is a college town,
> there will be a whole lot more busses heading there than to Lincoln.
>
> http://www.concordtrailways.com/
>
> Hanover is home to Dartmouth, and lodging options there can be pricey,
there
> is a hostel in Glencliff and not much more, and there are a ton of options
> for fod and a town night or two in Lincoln/Noth Woodstock. FWIW, North
> Woodstock is better place to stay than Lincoln, IMO.
>
> Your wife may well have a guidbook that lists some of the typical options,
> and has local information. You can check out the relavant section of one
of
> the definitive guide books by down loading a PDF file from:
>
> http://www.aldha.org/02book.htm
>
> YMMV and all that. I am sure plenty more info and thoughts will follow on
> this list.
>
> Have a great reunion.
>
> Rick B
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: "rick boudrie" <rickboudrie@hotmail.com>
> To: GADog430@aol.com, saunterer@jimbullard.org,
at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:47:12 -0400
> Subject: [at-l] Spelling
>
> >>If he could spell, I might be willing to 'listen' to his viewpoint.
> >First rule of thumb if you want to get a message across, don't
> >dsitract from it.
> >
> While this was directed at another poster, its got me thinking.
>
> What I can't figure out is why I spell differently at the keyboard than in
> longhand. While I no the difference between "no" and "know", and even
when
> to use they're, there and their, my fingers take over in front of the
> computer as if I were transported back to 4th grade. With pen and paper I
> wood never make these kinds of errors.
>
> Punctuation is another story, but I am the product of public schools.
>
> Proof reading might be the answer, but then you all might think that my
> posts are the product of a deliverate thought process.
>
> Rick B
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: GADog430@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:01:37 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Spelling
> To: rickboudrie@hotmail.com, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 8/27/2002 2:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> rickboudrie@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > While this was directed at another poster, its got me thinking.
> >
> > What I can't figure out is why I spell differently at the keyboard than
in
> > longhand. While I no the difference between "no" and "know", and even
when
> > to use they're, there and their, my fingers take over in front of the
> > computer as if I were transported back to 4th grade. With pen and paper
I
> > wood never make these kinds of errors.
> >
> > Punctuation is another story, but I am the product of public schools.
> >
> > Proof reading might be the answer, but then you all might think that my
> > posts are the product of a deliverate thought process.
> >
> > Rick B
> >
> Well, even with spell check or proof reading, you won't catch everything.
MS
> Word spell check is terrible, and the grammar check is even worse.
>
> Dawg
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: Msthiker@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:43:56 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] OT (was Scouts)
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Dave is in serious need of a good spell checker!
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:13:30 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
> From: "ted anderson" <atted@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "AT_L POST" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Scrabble question
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> The Troll wrote:
> hey at least I don't dsicramtelike the boy scouts do.
> Can I use that word in scrabble? Or, is this a Felix word?
> Ted
> --
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:29:35 -0500
> From: Felix <AThiker@smithville.net>
> To: AT-list <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Scrabble question
>
> ted anderson wrote:
>
> > The Troll wrote:
> > hey at least I don't dsicramtelike the boy scouts do.
> > Can I use that word in scrabble? Or, is this a Felix word?
> >
>
> you can you's dsicramte...but, to add the 'like' would take a
> high fin...
>
> --
> Felix J. McGillicuddy
> ME-->GA '98
> "Your Move"
> http://Felixhikes.tripod.com/
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:32:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
> From: "ted anderson" <atted@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <ArgentandSable@aol.com>, <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Dude, The Rash
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Try Preparation H, on the rash. It works for me. It might be fungal
> however, and then you'll need an antifungal cream.
>
> Dude, The Rash
>
> Howdy AT-L,
> I've been lurkin' around for quite a while and I thought I would drop in
> from hyperspace back into cyberspace and get some advice. A recent
> conversation on the List (you know which one I'm talkin' about) reminded
me
> of something. You see, like the List, I've got this problem....
> You know: summer hiking, you're hot, sweaty and dirty...and it burns.
> Dude, I mean it BURNS. The topic comes up every summer on the list and
I've
> probably missed the recent discussion, but what I'm interested in is what
> kind of underwear (brandnames, material, etc.) do you use? I use medicated
> powder before I hit the trail and when I'm about to crawl into the bivy.
It
> works, but what's your strategic preemptive strike for preventing that
most
> embarrassing and debilitating of trail maladies?
>
> Dude, Pass The Gorp
> Jabberwocky
> GA->VA '96
> _______________________________________________
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> Stay on topic!
> .
> --
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: "George Andrews" <gwa@ec.rr.com>
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:39:02 -0400
> Reply-to: gwa@ec.rr.com
> Subject: [at-l] Nomad tent
>
> My son has a Nomad tent about 4 years old and wants to part with
> it. It has been used about 6 or 8 times and is in excellent condition.
> Anyone interested? He wants $150.
>
> Tin Man
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: DaRedhead@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:48:39 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] WeatherCarrot
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 8/27/02 1:39:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> Trailwife@aol.com writes:
>
>
> > This morning while out doing some last minute field checking for the
2003
> > Companion I saw our own WeatherCarrot heading into Hanover. He was well
and
> > happy and looking forward to going to the Gathering.
> >
>
> I got a phone call from him today - he definitely sounds in great spirits.
:)
>
> He said Baltimore Jack was also there, so I guess I don't have to post now
to
> find out if anyone knew where he or WC was :)
>
> We should have his snow maps up on backcountry soon. At first it will just
be
> digital pictures, as we've still had no luck finding a 14 x 17 scanner to
> scan the maps directly to disk. But at least you'll be able to see them.
He
> will also have them on display at the Gathering - if you haven't seen them
> yet, take a look while you're there. They are quite awesome and very
> interesting. He's done an incredible job with them.
>
> Red
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> From: DaRedhead@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:53:30 EDT
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] Forward from ALDHA list
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Capitol Trails Broadcast for AHS Alliance Members & Partners
> =A0 =A0
> The summer may be winding down, but Washington DC is heating up. American
> Hiking Society asks hikers and trail clubs to take action on three issues:
>
> 1) Urge your Senators to pass trails willing seller legislation.
>
> 2) Tell the U.S. Department of Transportation to support foot trails.
>
> 3) Sign-on to Land and Water Conservation Fund letter.
>
> =A0
> 1. URGE SENATE TO PASS WILLING SELLER BILL
>
> Please act now to help trails willing seller legislation pass in the
Senate=
> .
> Contact your Senators by phone, fax or email and urge them to support
willi=
> ng
> seller land acquisition authority for the National Trails System.
>
> In late July, the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee approved
S.
> 1069, the National Trails System Willing Seller Act, amended to provide
> willing seller land acquisition authority to the North Country, Ice Age,
an=
> d
> Potomac Heritage National Scenic Trails. The bill gives these three trails
> the ability to buy land from willing sellers to protect and enhance those
> trail corridors. The bill will go to the full Senate for a vote in
Septembe=
> r
> and then to the House for passage or possible amendments. H.R. 834, the
> House-version of the bill, which included historic trails as well, passed
> last year by a 409-3 vote.
>
> Willing seller authority will help protect critical natural and cultural
> resources along these premier hiking trails as well as restore basic
proper=
> ty
> rights, as landowners along the affected trails are currently denied the
> right to sell land to the federal government. Without it, trail managers'
> hands are tied when development threatens important links in the wild
> landscapes of the national scenic trails.
>
> To write your Senator directly via email, visit <
> http://www.americanhiking.org/policy/write.html>, adding a paragraph if
you
> choose to personalize your request. Or, use the letter as a sample and
emai=
> l
> or fax in your own copy. Thank you to all trail advocates who helped
willin=
> g
> seller bills advance this far.
>
> --------------
>
> 2. TELL DOT TO SUPPORT FOOT TRAILS
>
> For the first time ever, the U.S. Department of Transportation has
launched=
> a
> website to solicit input from the public as part of reauthorizing the
> Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century (TEA-21). U.S. DOT is now
> working with Congress, state and local officials, and other stakeholders
to
> develop its proposals to take to the Office of Management and Budget after
> Labor Day. Comments will be accepted until January 1, 2003, but submit
your
> comments by August 30, 2002 for the greatest impact.
>
> Visit <http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reauthorization/> to submit your comments.
> Feel free to use American Hiking Society's recommendations below. We
> encourage you to tell stories and give examples that describe your
experien=
> ce
> with the transportation system, especially foot trails. How would you like
=
> to
> see federal resources address local needs? Please send a copy of your
> comments to us at cmontorfano@americanhiking.org. We will use your
> information and ideas in our effort making the case for further
> transportation reform. Comments may be submitted online by typing into a
> form, attaching a document file, or sending written comments to: Docket
> Clerk, U.S. Department of Transportation, Room PL-401, Docket Number:
> OST-2002-12170, 400 7th St. SW, Washington, DC 20590.
>
> If you comment on-line, you will be asked to create a user ID and login
and
> may submit comments in as many issue areas as you like. Your comments will
=
> be
> visible to other users of the website. Questions about the comment process
> can also be directed to U.S. DOT at 1-800-647-5527.
>
> Background:
>
> Although most hikers and trail organizations associate trail system
> development and funding with the traditional land management agencies
(e.g.
> National Park Service, USDA Forest Service, state and local natural
resourc=
> e
> agencies), the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) also plays an
> important role-in fact, thanks to transportation policy reform in the
early
> 1990s, the DOT's Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) has become the
> nation's largest single source of funding for multiple use paths, trails,
a=
> nd
> related projects.
>
> In 1991 Congress enacted the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency
A=
> ct
> (ISTEA), a six-year law authorizing a wide range of federal-aid
> transportation programs, including new programs that fund trails. ISTEA
> marked a shift in national transportation policy-one acknowledging energy
> conservation, protection of the environment, and community quality of life
=
> as
> high priorities along with the traditional goals of federal transportation
> spending. In 1998, Congress enacted the Transportation Equity Act for the
> Twenty-First Century (TEA-21), which continued and expanded the programs
> benefiting trails (among other policies) begun in ISTEA for another six
yea=
> rs.
>
> ISTEA and TEA-21 have been a tremendous boon to trail development and
bicyc=
> le
> and pedestrian systems of all kinds. In its first six years alone, ISTEA
> provided over $1 billion for multi-use trail development, including more
th=
> an
> $350 million for rail-trails. TEA-21 expires on September 30, 2003 and is
> likely to be renewed for another six-year term. Congress will hammer out
th=
> e
> new law, tentatively known as TEA-3 or T-3, over the next year. The two
key
> trail programs of TEA-21 for hikers are the Transportation Enhancements
> Activities program and Recreational Trails Program.
>
> Transportation Enhancements (TE) are investments that protect the
environme=
> nt
> and provide significant economic and community benefits, including the
> development of walking and bicycling infrastructure, acquisition and
> preservation of scenic and historic property and resources, and street and
> landscape improvements. Hiking trails are eligible for TE funding as long
a=
> s
> there is a transportation element to the project being funded. TE funds
may
> be used for many costs associated with trail development, including
project
> planning; engineering and design; right-of-way acquisition; and
constructio=
> n
> of trailhead facilities, treadway, bridges, and underpasses.
>
> The Recreational Trails Program (RTP) provides money to states to develop
a=
> nd
> maintain recreational trails and trail-related facilities for both
> non-motorized and motorized recreational trail uses, including hiking.
> Recreational Trails Program funds may be used for maintaining/restoring
> existing trails; development or rehabilitation of trailside and trailhead
> facilities and trail linkages; purchase/lease of trail construction and
> maintenance equipment; new trail construction (with restrictions for new
> trails on Federal lands); property or easement acquisition; certain state
> administrative costs; and environmental protection and trail safety
> educational programs.
>
> RECOMMENDATIONS:
>
> As the reauthorization process for TEA-21 begins, American Hiking Society
> recommends the following to strengthen the funding programs that benefit
fo=
> ot
> trails and elevate the importance and priority of foot trail projects:
>
> I.=A0=A0 Retain and improve the existing TEA-21 funding and planning
progra=
> ms
> that benefit trails, especially the Transportation Enhancements (TE) and
> Recreational Trails Programs (RTP), to ensure continued funding of hiking
a=
> nd
> foot trail projects. Specific improvements to these programs include:
>
>
> -=A0 Encourage states to simplify the paperwork, application, and approval
> processes for small-scale non-motorized projects.
>
> -=A0 Improve level of citizen participation in foot trail and
transportatio=
> n
> planning at the state and local level; ensure State Recreational Trail
> Advisory Committees include trail users from all significant trail uses in
=
> a
> state.
>
> -=A0 Explicitly identify trail segments from the National Trails System as
> priority projects for completion and enhancement to help the trails become
> the resources Congress intended.
>
> -=A0 Encourage more flexibility for the Recreational Trails Program and
> Transportation Enhancements to function as grant programs rather than
> reimbursement programs to help address the problems small organizations
may
> face in furnishing outlays up front; encourage in-kind contributions and
> volunteer labor as part of the non-federal match; allow non-governmental
> organizations to directly sponsor and administer projects that have been
> approved by Metropolitan Planning Organizations, advisory committees, or
> states; allow RTP and TE funds to cover a percentage of administrative
cost=
> s
> of non-governmental organizations.=A0
>
> -=A0 Provide greater consideration to interpretive signage and wayside
exhi=
> bit
> trail projects on highways.
>
> II.=A0=A0 Require all highway construction/reconstruction projects to
consi=
> der
> safe trail crossings, if applicable, to make trail intersections with
> roads/highways safer through signing, signalization, and off-grade
crossing=
> s
> as warranted.
>
> III.=A0=A0 Encourage trail development as a key component of national
> transportation infrastructure. The 22 national scenic and historic trails
> combined with thousands of miles of other federal, state, and local trails
> and trail networks provide myriad connections between the nation's public
> lands and natural places with historic and cultural sites, urban areas,
tow=
> ns
> and communities. Recognizing trails as infrastructure would enhance
> transportation, environmental, recreational, health, and economic
developme=
> nt
> initiatives throughout the nation.
>
> IV.=A0=A0 Minimize the transportation versus recreation distinction
regardi=
> ng
> eligibility for trails under the Enhancements program. Foot trails by
their
> nature are related to surface transportation, not just recreation, and
shou=
> ld
> be eligible for TE project funds.
>
> --------------
> For more information, please visit <
> http://www.americanhiking.org/policy/current/tea.html> where you can
downlo=
> ad
> fact sheets on TEA-21 and RTP and American Hiking Society's white paper on
> TEA-21 reauthorization. We hope you will join our efforts to strengthen
the=
> se
> programs that benefit trails and hikers nationwide.
>
> ---------------
>
> 3. SIGN-ON TO LWCF LETTER
>
> Please consider having your organization sign on to the following letter
> (pasted below) being coordinated by Americans for Our Heritage and
Recreati=
> on
> (AHR) in support of the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF). Federal
an=
> d
> state land managers use the fund to buy land to preserve wilderness,
create
> parks, and protect trails. American Hiking Society will be signing on as a
> national organization and is a charter member of AHR.
>
> So far, more than four-hundred organizations signed-on to the letter that
> will be sent to the Senate when it returns from the August congressional
> recess. AHR would like to get better representation from each state. The
> letter includes names of the organizations that have signed on thus far --
> thank you to those who have signed on already. Please contact Tom St.
Hilai=
> re
> at tsthilaire@ahrinfo.org to add your organization to the list. The
deadlin=
> e
> is Friday, August 30th. AHR thanks you in advance for your support.
>
>
> Here is the letter:
>
>
> September 4, 2002
>
>
> Dear Senator:
>
>
> As civic and community leaders from across the country -- representing
park
> and recreation advocates and professionals, land trusts, community park
> groups, the sporting goods and outdoor recreation industries, youth sports
> organizations, smart growth proponents, wildlife enthusiasts, park
planners=
> ,
> and recreational trails organizations -- we are writing to ask you for
your
> leadership in supporting a strong and vigorous Land and Water Conservation
> Fund (LWCF) and Urban Park and Recreation Recovery Program (UPARR).
>
>
> This summer, millions of American families have headed to the beach, hiked
=
> in
> the mountains, visited America's cultural heritage areas, viewed wildlife,
> held family reunions at a state or local park, or participated in youth
> sports activities. However, what many encountered were crowded beaches,
> overused trails, historic properties in need of repair, less wildlife
> habitat, and not enough recreational facilities to accommodate demand. We
> Americans seek a 'close-to-home' recreational experience, and options for
> more distant recreation, too. We've come a long way in recent years toward
> meeting demands, but we have a long way to go.
>
>
> That's why we supported the House's effort to fully fund the Title VIII
> Conservation Trust at its $1.44 billion authorized level and encourage the
> Senate to do likewise during full passage of their Interior Appropriations
> Bill. We recognize the Conservation Trust as a significant short-term
> commitment to funding parks and recreation through LWCF and UPARR and
suppo=
> rt
> efforts to fully fund this program on an annual basis.
>
>
> We also ask that during the deliberations for the passage of a final
Interi=
> or
> Bill, you work with your colleagues on both sides of the aisle to match
the
> House-passed funding levels for stateside LWCF at $154 million and UPARR
at
> $30 million.
>
>
> The resurgence of the stateside LWCF program through the auspices of the
> Title VIII Conservation Trust has renewed hope that Congress will restore
> this partnership to its rightful place. We also know first-hand how states
> and localities match federal funds to help provide publicly-accessible
> recreation places. Further, urban communities rely on the partnership
> opportunities available through UPARR to restore parks in neighborhoods
> desperate for fun-filled, safe places to bring their children to play,
whil=
> e
> at the same time increasing the economic vitality of those areas.
>
>
> Right now, Congress has a unique opportunity to provide an increased
> investment in our nation's quality of life. We urge you to take advantage
o=
> f
> this opportunity and work with your colleagues towards passage of a strong
> Interior Bill that adequately funds stateside LWCF and UPARR. Our states
an=
> d
> communities are counting on you to help assure access to public parks and
> recreational areas for generations to come.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> National Organizations:
>
> Adopt-A-Watershed
> American Society of Landscape Architects
> American Planning Association
> Americans for Our Heritage and Recreation
> City Parks Alliance
> International Mountain Bicycling Association
> Izaak Walton League of America, Inc.
> National Association of County Park and Recreation Officials
> National Association for Sport and Physical Education
> National Association of State Outdoor Recreation Liaison Officers
> National Association of State Park Directors
> National Council of Youth Sports
> National Federation of State High School Associations
> National Recreation and Park Association
> National Soccer Coaches Association of America
> National Society for Park Resources
> Outdoor Industry Association
> Pop Warner Little Scholars, Inc.
> Scenic America
> SGMA International
> Ultimate Players Association
> United States Disabled Athletes Fund, Inc.
> US Soccer Federation
> US Soccer Foundation
>
> Regional Organizations:
>
> Chesapeake Bay Foundation (NY; PA; MD; VA)
> Northern Forest Alliance (NY; ME; NH; VT; MA; RI; CT)
>
> Alabama:
>
> Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs
> Alabama Recreation and Parks Association
> City of Demopolis Parks and Recreation
> City of Anniston Parks and Recreation
> City of Alexander Parks and Recreation
> City of Jacksonville Parks and Recreation
> Morgan County Parks and Recreation
> City of Russellville Parks and Recreation
> City of Troy Parks and Recreation
> City of Albertville Parks and Recreation
> City of Enterprise Parks and Recreation
> Tuscaloosa County Parks and Recreation
> Bama Environmental News
> Fairhope Historic Preservation Alliance
> Friends of Forever Wild
> The Committee for the Preservation of the Lake Purdy Area
> Friends of the Little Cahaba
> Friends of Rural Alabama
> Homewood Parks and Recreation Board
> Alabama Environmental Council
> Cahaba River Society
> Alabama Chapter of the Sierra Club
> Land Trust of Huntsville and North Alabama
> Alabama Coastal Sierra Group
> Chilton Pride, Inc.
> Cawaco RC&D Council
> Mobile Bay Watch and Riverkeeper
> Camp McDowell Episcopal Church Camp
> Choccolocco Conservation Trust
> Birmingham Park and Recreation Board
> Anniston Outdoor Association
> The Smith lake Environmental Preservation Committee
> Vestavia Hills Parks and Recreation
> Centre Parks and Recreation
>
> Alaska:
>
> Alaska State Parks
> Juneau Parks and Recreation
> City and Borough of Juneau
>
> Arizona:
>
> Arizona Parks and Recreation Association
> City of Phoenix
> City of Scottsdale
> City of Peoria
> McDowell Sonoran Land Trust
>
> Arkansas:
>
> Arkansas Department of Parks & Tourism
> Arkansas Recreation and Parks Association
>
> California:
>
> Bay Area Open Space Council
> California Park and Recreation Society
> Coastwalk
> Endangered Habitats League
> Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District
> Planning and Conservation League
> Planning and Conservation League Foundation
> Preserve Wild Santee
> Palos Verdes/South Bay Audubon Society
> Friends of the Desert Mountains
> Laguna Canyon Foundation
> Elsinore-Murrieta-Anza Resource Conservation District
> Orange County, Tom Wilson, Supervisor, Fifth District
> People for Parks, Los Angeles
> East Bay Regional Park District
> City of Foster City Parks and Recreation
> City of San Carlos Parks and Recreation
> City of Seaside, Recreation and Community Activities Dept.
> Sunrise Recreation and Park District
> Arden Manor Recreation and Park District
> Big Bear Valley Recreation and Park District
> Santa Clara County Parks and Recreation Dept.
> Paradise Recreation and Park District
> City of Millbrae
> Colorado:
>
> Colorado Parks and Recreation Association
> Ken-Caryl Ranch Metropolitan District
> City of Aurora Parks and Open Space Department
> Jefferson County Open Space
>
> Connecticut:
>
> Connecticut Recreation and Park Association
> East Hampton Parks and Recreation Department
> Waterford Recreation and Parks Department
> Town of Groton Parks and Recreation Dept.
> Glastobury Parks and Recreation Department
>
> Delaware:
>
> Delaware Division of Parks and Recreation
> Delaware Parks and Recreation Council
> Florida:
>
> Florida Recreation and Park Association
> Lee County Parks and Recreation
> Palm Beach Gardens Police Athletic Leagues
> Georgia:
>
> Georgia Recreation and Park Association
> Cool Communities - Atlanta, Georgia
> Moultrie-Colquitt Parks and Recreation Department
> Upper Chattahoochee Riverkeeper
> Park Pride Atlanta, Inc.
> Columbia County Parks and Recreation
> Paulding County Parks and Recreation
> Marietta Parks and Recreation
> Warner Robins Recreation Department
> Gainesville Parks and Recreation Agency
> Valdosta-Lowndes County Recreation and Parks Department
> Rockdale County Parks and Recreation
> Hall County Parks and Recreation
> Alpharetta Recreation and Parks
> Chicopee Woods Agricultural Center, Hall County
> East Point Parks and Recreation
> Cherokee Recreation and Parks Authority
> Stephens County Parks and Recreation
> Decatur Recreation Department
> Macon-Bibb County Parks and Recreation
> Greater Columbus Sports and Events Council
> Augusta Parks and Recreation
> Henry County Parks and Recreation
> Mitchell County Recreation Department
> Fitzgerald-Ben Hill County Department of Leisure Services
> Cobb County Parks and Recreation
> Forest park Recreation and Parks Department
> Smyrna Parks and Recreation
> Peachtree City Parks and Recreation Department
> Athens-Clarke County Parks and Recreation Department
> DeKalb County Parks and Recreation Department
> Moultrie-Colquitt County Parks and Recreation Department
> Hapeville Parks and Recreation Department
> Newton County Parks and Recreation Department
> Roswell Parks and Recreation Department
> Carrollton Parks, Recreation & Cultural Arts
> Albany Parks and Recreation Department
> Tift County Recreation Dept.
> Carroll County Parks and Recreation Dept.
> Hawaii:
>
> Idaho:
>
> Idaho Dept. of Parks and Recreation
> Idaho Recreation and Park Association
> Blaine County Recreation District
> Magnuson Hospitality Group
> Idaho Lodging and Restaurant Association
> SKAL of North Idaho and Spokane
> 6th St. Melodrama Theatre
> North Idaho Chamber of Commerce
> City of Coeur d'Alene
> City of Lewiston Parks and Recreation
> Wolf Education and Research Center
> City of Rathdrum Parks and Recreation Dept.
> Garden Valley Recreation District
> Farragut State Park
>
> Illinois:
>
> Illinois Park and Recreation Association
> Illinois Department of Natural Resources
> Skokie Park District
> Rockford Park District
>
> Indiana:
>
> Indianapolis Department of Parks and Recreation
> Lake County Parks and Recreation Dept.
> Lake Heritage Parks Foundation
> Indiana Grand Kankakee Marsh Restoration Project Steering Committee
> City of Franklin Parks and Recreation
> Crawfordsville Park Dept.
> West Central Indiana Rail-Recreation, Inc.
> Terre Haute Parks and Recreation Dept.
> Iowa:
>
> Kansas:
>
> Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks
> City of Manhattan Park and Recreation Department
>
> Kentucky:
>
> City of Louisville Parks and Recreation
> Jefferson County Parks and Recreation
> Louisville Olmsted Parks Conservancy
> Louisiana:
>
> Louisiana Recreation and Parks Association
> Louisiana Office of State Parks
> Gulf Restoration Network
> City of Ruston Parks and Recreation
> Planet Recess, Inc.
> Lake Ponchartrain Basin Foundation
> Parkway Partners Program, Inc.
>
> Maine:
>
> Friends of Acadia
> Portland Trails
>
> Maryland:
>
> Maryland Recreation and Parks Association, Inc.
> Kent County Parks and Recreation Department
> City of Annapolis Parks and Recreation
> Harford County Department of Parks and Recreation
> City of Rockville Department of Parks and Recreation
> Parks and People Foundation
> Friends of Patterson Park
> City of Tacoma Park Department of Parks and Recreation
> Baltimore Alliance for Great Urban Parks
> City of Gaithersburg Parks and Recreation Department
> Baltimore County Dept. of Parks and Recreation
>
> Massachusetts:
>
> Massachusetts Recreation and Park Association
> South Borough Recreation Commission
> Charles River Watershed Association
> Town of Shrewsbury Parks and Recreation Department
>
> Michigan:
>
> Michigan Parks and Recreation Association
> Roseville Parks and Recreation Department
> City of Farmington Hills Dept. of Special Services
>
> Minnesota:
>
> Minnesota Department of Natural Resources
> City of Lakeville Parks and Recreation Department
>
> Mississippi:
>
> Mississippi Recreation and Park Association
> Environmental Coalition of Mississippi
> City of Pearl Parks and Recreation
> Pearl School Alumni Association
> Mississippi 2020 Network
> City of Olive Branch Dept. of Parks and Recreation
> Oxford Park Commission
>
> Missouri:
>
> Missouri Department of Natural Resources
> Missouri Recreation and Parks Association
>
> Montana:
>
> Montana State Parks
> Montana Recreation and Parks Association
> City of Missoula Parks and Recreation
> Colstrip Park and Recreation Department
>
> Nebraska:
>
> Nebraska Game and Parks Commission
> City of Hastings Parks and Recreation
> Omaha Department of Parks, Recreation, and Public Property
> Lake Vista Recreation Department
>
> Nevada:
>
> Nevada Division of State Parks
>
> New Hampshire:
>
> New Hampshire Recreation and Park Association
> Rindge Recreation Department
> New Hampshire Division of Parks and Recreation
> Citizens for New Hampshire Land and Community Heritage
> Town of Hooksett Park and Recreation Advisory Board
>
> New Jersey:
>
> New York-New Jersey Trail Conference
> New Mexico:
>
> Audubon New Mexico
> New Mexico Land Office
> 1000 Friends of New Mexico
> Keep New Mexico Enchanting Coalition
>
> New York:
>
> New York State Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation
> Empire State Task Force for Land and Water Conservation Funding
> Environmental Advocates of New York
> New York State Conference of Mayors
> New York-New Jersey Trail Conference
> The Open Space Project
> Town of Orangetown
> New York Recreation and Park Society
> Prospect Park Alliance
> Association for the Protection of the Adirondacks
>
> North Carolina:
>
> North Carolina Division of Parks and Recreation
> Friends of Southern Highland Handicraft
> North Carolina Recreation and Parks Society
> Southern Pines Recreation and Park Association
> Cabarrus County Parks and Recreation Commission
> Asheboro Parks and Recreation Department
> Village of Pinehurst Parks and Recreation Department
> City of Archdale Parks and Recreation Department
> City of New Bern Recreation and Parks
> Mecklenburg County Park and Recreation Department
> Onslow County Parks and Recreation Department
> Salisbury Parks and Recreation Department
> Salisbury Parks and Recreation Foundation
> Asheville Parks and Recreation Department
>
> North Dakota:
>
> Ohio:
>
> Ohio Parks and Recreation Association
> Grove City Parks and Recreation
> Centerville-Washington Park District
> Greene County Recreation, Parks and Cultural Arts
> Greene County Park District
> Miami County Park District
> Lake Metroparks
> Glen Helen Ecology Institute
>
> Oklahoma:
>
> Oklahoma Recreation and Park Society
> Oklahoma Tourism and Recreation Dept.
> City of Stillwater Parks, Events & Recreation Department
> Edmonds Parks & Recreation Department
> City of Midwest City Parks, Recreation, and Tourism
> Sandy Springs Park Department
> County of Tulsa Parks Department
> City of Muskogee Parks and Recreation
> River Parks Authority
>
> Oregon:
>
> City of Portland
> Friends of Columbia Gorge
> Oregon Recreation & Park Association
> Portland Parks
> Urban Greenspace Institute
> Audubon Society of Portland
> Metro Regional Parks and Greenspaces Department
> Oregon City Parks and Recreation
> Bend Metro Park and Recreation District
> Oregon Wetlands Joint Venture
> Oregon State Parks Trust
> City of Albany Parks & Recreation
> City of McMinnville Parks & Recreation
> City of Monmouth Parks & Recreation
> Hood River Park & Recreation District
> Tualatin Hills Park & Recreation District
> Crook County Park & Recreation District
> Bend Metro Park & Recreation District
>
> Pennsylvania:
>
> Pennsylvania Horticultural Society
>
> Rhode Island:
>
> Rhode Island Recreation and Parks Association
> South Kingston Parks and Recreation
> City of Newport Parks, Recreation, and Tourism
>
> South Carolina:
>
> South Carolina Department of Parks, Recreation, & Tourism
> South Carolina Recreation and Park Association
> South Dakota:
>
> South Dakota State Parks
> South Dakota Parks and Recreation
>
> Tennessee:
>
> Tennessee Recreation and Parks Association
> City of Franklin Parks and Recreation
> City of Lynchburg Parks and Recreation Department
> Kingsport Parks and Recreation
> Portland Parks and Recreation
> Tennessee Environmental Council
> Tennessee Citizens for Wilderness Planning
> Obed Watershed Association
> Untied Church of Christ, Network for Environmental and Economic
> Responsibility
> Foundation for Global Sustainability
>
> Texas:
>
> Texas Recreation and Park Society
> Big Thicket Association
> City of Lubbock Parks and Recreation Department
> City of Grapevine Parks and Recreation Department
> City of Fort Worth Parks and Community Services Department
> City of Brenham PARD
> City of Harker Heights Parks and Recreation Department
> City of Missouri City
> City of Bryan
> City of New Braunfels Parks and Recreation
> City of Round Rock, Mayor and City Council
> City of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.
> City of Baytown Parks and Recreation Dept.
> Ft. Stockton Parks and Recreation
> City of Clute Parks and Recreation Dept.
> Austin Parks Foundation
> Utah:
>
> Utah Recreation and Park Association
> Ogden City Recreation Division
> Murray City Parks and Recreation
> Cottonwood Heights Parks and Recreation Service Area
> Brigham City Parks and Recreation
>
> Vermont:
>
> Vermont State Parks
> Vermont Agency of Natural Resources
> Vermont Recreation and Parks Association
> Vermont Natural Resources Council
> Kean Recreation Company, Inc.
> Woodstock Recreation Center
> City of Rutland
>
> Virginia:
>
> ParkWatch Action Network
> Virginia Recreation and Park Society
> Roanoake Parks and Recreation
> Virginia Beach Department of Parks and Recreation
> Northern Virginia Regional Park Authority
> Gloucester County Parks and Recreation
> Harrisonburg Parks and Recreation
> Danville Parks and Recreation
> Staunton Parks and Recreation
> New Kent Parks and Recreation
> Waynesboro Parks and Recreation
> Rappahannock Area Office on Youth
> City of Roanoke Parks and Recreation
>
> Washington:
>
> Friends of Columbia Gorge
> Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association
> City of Bellingham Parks and Recreation
> City of Edmonds
> City of Issquah Parks and Recreation
> Mount Vernon Parks and Recreation
> City of Poulsbo
> Urban Trails and Greenways
> City of Kirkland
> City of Longview Parks and Recreation
> City of Kelso Parks and Recreation
>
> West Virginia:
>
> West Virginia Recreation and Park Association
> Greater Huntington Park and Recreation District
> Great Kanawha Resource Conservation and Development Council
> Clay County Parks and Recreation Commission
> Bridgeport Parks and Recreation
>
> Wisconsin:
>
> Wisconsin Parks and Recreation Association
> City of Madison
> Manitowoc Park & Recreation
> Greenfield Park & Recreation
> La Crosse Park & Recreation
> Whitewater Park, Recreation & Forestry
> Brown County Parks
> Oconomowoc Park & Recreation
> Oconto County Forestry & Parks
> Janesville Parks
> River Falls Park & Recreation
> Stevens Point Park & Recreation
> Stoughton Parks & Recreation
> Wausau/Marathon County Parks
> Marshield Park & Recreation
> City of Tomahawk-Department of Public Works
> Green Bay Park, Recreation & Forestry
> Wood County Park & Forestry
> West Bend Park, Recreation & Forestry
> Chippewa Falls Park, Recreation & Forestry
> Hartford Park & Recreation
> Whitefish Bay Recreation
> Brown Deer Park & Recreation
> New Berlin Streets, Parks & Recreation
> Port Washington Park & Recreation
> Shawano Park & Recreation
> Town of Menasha Parks & Recreation
> Winnebago County Parks
> Fond du Lac Parks
> Ozaukee County Park Commission
> Cedarburg Park, Recreation & Forestry
> City of Sun Prairie Parks, Recreation & Forestry Department
> City of Chippewa Falls Parks, Recreation & Forestry Department
> Washington County Planning and Parks
>
> Wyoming:
>
> ----------------------
>
> For more information on LWCF, visit <
> http://www.americanhiking.org/policy/current/lwcf.html>
>
> ------------------
>
> To call your Member of Congress:
> US Capitol Switchboard
> (202) 224-3121
>
> To write your Senator:
> The Honorable ______________
> United States Senate
> Washington, DC=A0 20510
>
> To write your Representative:
> The Honorable ______________
> US House of Representatives
> Washington, DC=A0 20515
>
> To locate your Member on-line:
> <http://thomas.loc.gov/>
>
> --------------------------
>
> Celina Montorfano
> Conservation Policy Manager
> American Hiking Society
> 1422 Fenwick Lane
> Silver Spring, MD 20910
> (301) 565-6704 x205
> (301) 565-6714 (fax)
> cmontorfano@AmericanHiking.org
> http://www.AmericanHiking.org
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> From: "George Andrews" <gwa@ec.rr.com>
> To: Amy <askowronek@mindspring.com>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:06:19 -0400
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Nomad tent
> Reply-to: gwa@ec.rr.com
> CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
>
> Amy,
> It's yours if you want it. Check it out at
> http://www.gandrews.com/atfotos/springer/spr54.jpg
> That is my youngest sonusing it on our hike from Springer this past
> spring.
> I will be happy to take it back if it is not to your liking.
> Tin Man
>
>
>
> On 27 Aug 2002 at 18:48, Amy wrote:
>
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 06:39 PM, George Andrews wrote:
> >
> > > My son has a Nomad tent about 4 years old and wants to part with
> > > it. It has been used about 6 or 8 times and is in excellent
condition.
> > > Anyone interested? He wants $150.
> > >
> >
> > I'm interested. I guess at that age it must be the one-man, huh?
> > Am I first? Can I buy it?
> >
> > -amy
> >
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> From: "rick boudrie" <rickboudrie@hotmail.com>
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:16:09 -0400
> Subject: [at-l] Airplane Crash in SNP
>
> Just saw this in last Thursdays NPS Morning Report in case anyone who
hikes
> in the area is interested:
>
> Ju02-410 - Shenandoah NP (VA) - Search for Missing Aircraft
>
> On the evening of August 19th, park dispatch received a call from the
> AirForce Rescue Coordination Center reporting that the wreckage of a
> missingC essna 172 with one person on board had been spotted about a mile
> and a half east of Swift Run and a mile north of Route 33. A ground search
> ensured that involved about 65 people from the park, Appalachian Search
and
> Rescue Conference, CAP, Greene County Sheriff's Office, Greene County
Rescue
> Squad, and Harrisonburg Rescue Squad. The aircraft was found by rangers on
> Saddleback Mountain a third of a mile north of the Appalachian Trail just
> outside the park at 1:15 a.m. the next morning. The pilot did not survive.
A
> joint investigation by NTSB, FAA and Virginia State Police is underway.
> [Ginny Rousseau, CR, SHEN]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:07:40 -0500
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> From: kahley <kahley@ptd.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Jan Day 27...TADA!!!!
>
> BON JOUR tout le monde!
>
> Today, monde, we are going to walk to QUEBEC!
>
> Our friend Smoothie writes: "Can you smell Canada yet?"
>
> Is THAT what that was?! And I'm thinking I'd have to burn
> this here SHIRT... Neither Clyde nor I wanted to walk
> four more uphill miles to Shooting Star shelter last night.
> So we crashed at the closer and very nice Laura Woodward
> shelter. A wise choice it was. Merry Go Round, a former
> AT thruhiker, and her friend straggle in an hour or so later,
> exhausted. It is the first day of their southbound Long Trail
> end-to-end. They have heavy packs. They are hating life.
> We feel, I confess it, smug.
>
> A funny story: The night before, Merry had come to talk
> to us after we'd been down in or bags awhile. I was nearly
> asleep, but Clyde, ever-gregarious though drowsy, gave
> her the lowdown on the Trail ahead. When she said, though,
> "Wow, you're so laid-back," I nearly choked on my own spittle.
> Was it just back at the Inn at the Long Trail that Cous-Cous
> was advising Clyde to "like, CHILL, man... Ommmmmm....."
> Well, he DID admit he has quit drumming his fingers...
>
> It was so cold this morning we cooked in our sleeping bags.
> We get a late start, 8 am. I am hobbling on my twisted joint.
> Clyde is screamingly fast today.
>
> I walk with eyes wide open this last day, trying to suck it all
> in: The sigh of the wind in the spruce, the naked bedrock,
> seams of quartz, the dappled play of the sun on the moss.
> The sun is purely pouring down today. The air is like wine,
> heady and full of fragrance. I am past the summit of Doll
> Mountain, our last real uphill.
>
> Above me a pair of slim hawks "cheer" to each other and
> pirouette through the air in unison. I stop, mouth open,
> entranced, to watch their aerial dance. They are not the
> red-tailed hawks of the Carolinas. Their tails are square,
> and they are slightly smaller. They dive deftly though the
> ridgetop branches, through high hidden passages of fir,
> never flapping. Then they burst out into the ridge sky again,
> and arc. All of a sudden - magic!
>
> I am still, standing under a spruce, looking up, when one
> zooms in right at me. To a limb landing slightly above face
> height. In my spruce. We stare down. Its glassy black-
> and-gold hawk's eye meets mine square on. A pause.
> An eternity, a heartbeat. I could reach out and touch it.
> I am certain that, in the giddy rush of its air dance, it didn't
> see I was there. Have I ever been this close to a wild thing?
> Then, a defiant "cheer," a bluster of wings, and it re-joins
> its partner in the sky. Though I recognize my sheer, dumb
> luck - nothing more, nothing less - the moment still feels
> like a benediction. The raptors continue to wheel above me
> as I walk the ridge, calling to each other, doing their
> exuberant hawk thing.
>
> I will miss the northern birches the most. We have river
> birches in the Carolinas, but it's not the same. Birches
> peel constantly, like a snake shedding its skin. This is
> necessary to grow. Often, as I pass one on the trail, I
> will slip my hand beneath the white flake, touching the
> smooth, newborn places. Soft, like an infant's bottom.
> The new bark is baby-flesh pink, and possesses a subtle
> sheen. It is a tender thing of beauty. It is a promise - and,
> at the same time, next year's flake. Everything changes.
> Nothing stays the same.
>
> There are mixed feelings in leaving the Trail. All this I will miss.
> Yet I miss my friends and family at home, and my work, the
> classes I take and the lessons I teach. I miss my dog, and
> just plain miss the Carolinas. For SURE, I miss a shower
> on demand. Hot water from a pipe, what a miracle. A little
> bit happy, a little bit sad.
>
> Clyde writes in his last register entry:
> "Had a heart attack in '97, and I guess you could say I am
> cured. All the MTs. of Vermont couldn't kill me, the flatlands
> of Florida don't have a chance..." He has walked through the
> heels of a new pair of Smartwool socks. Smoothie suggests
> Bridgedales.
>
> I have a teensy little bone to pick with GMC. I mean, Vermont
> is stunning with vistas to spare, yes. It's leaders had the foresight
> to preserve these wild places. A dedicated crew maintains the
> Trail and digs the privy. It even produced me a bobcat and a
> hawk, up close and personal. BUT - and this is a big "but" -
> Clyde Dodge has seen a moose and I haven't. He won't let me
> forget it. He even has the pictures to prove it!
>
> Is my lower lip stuck out or what...
>
> So, GMC, can we, like, arrange a viewing today? My last day.
> I'll pay, even. I'm at Shooting Star now. You only have four more
> miles in which to produce this wondrous creature, so ...have at!
> Knock yourselves out.
>
> About 2pm, we ascend the very last "up," Carleton Mountain,
> and look back at Jay Peak, so impossibly far away now. How
> did we ever walk that far - in one day? "If there's one thing I've
> learned on this trip," muses Clyde, "it's the value of 'step-by-step'
> It gets the big jobs done." The rest is truly downhill from here.
> Six-foot-two Clyde screams off, I hobble along on my twisted
> ankle. No worries. We're going to Canada!
>
> "You're close enough for me to tote you from here," says Clyde.
>
> Two miles. One mile. Half mile.
>
> No moose.
>
> When I emerge into the clearing, there is Clyde sitting on a
> big boulder, waiting: "You drug me into this thing, I figured
> you could drag me out." We consult the book. The trail
> continues on, right over the rock. On the other side, Canada -
> and the silver, cement obelisk.
>
> "It looked like Canada was giving us the finger," Clyde said later.
>
> We did it! Done!
>
> He takes a picture of me kissing the obelisk. I take one of him
> pretending to break his hiking pole over the thing. We take one
> of us together, thanks to auto-delay. And then we walk on.
> There is gladness, but no big emotion, except maybe relief
> and the passionate desire for a shower. No cheering throngs.
> No soul-stirring vistas. Just a half-miles slog to the creepy
> Journey's End Camp. Then another three damn miles to the main road.
> My feet were burning UP. Something needed doing.
>
> Traffic on the road was sparse to non-existent. Finally, an old
> Cadillac turned into the dairy farm near us. A woman got out
> and began watering her horses. there was our ride to our B&B.
> She just didn't know it yet. We limped up, all pitiful. Clyde
> asked for directions to the 1892 House, our night's destination.
> Meanwhile, I was transfixed by the horses. It had been a month
> since I had touched one. I tried to entice the bay to approach.
> The lady bean telling me about him, a mustang. We talked
> horse awhile, and Clyde talked directions, and even though
> she said she didn't have the time to run us the four road miles
> to the B&B, before she knew it, she was driving us to the door.
>
> "She didn't have a CHANCE," Clyde said later. "We GANG-yogied her!"
>
> That's all I want to say for today. Tomorrow, on the bus, I'll wrap it
> up, since I learned a few things that I wanted to write down. But I
> will say this: hiking the Long Trail was BY FAR the hardest
> sustained physical work I have ever done. Never have I worked so
> hard, so full out, for so long. I sure hope the AT gives me some
> breathing room. I don't know if my frame will hold up to six months of
this!
> At the same time, I know this: I am glad I tried it. And I am glad I
> finished it.
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:21:29 -0400
> From: Clark <icw39@ncfreedom.net>
> Reply-To: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> Organization: none! :)
> To: Felix <AThiker@smithville.net>
> CC: AT-list <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Re: help me with my gear list - please
>
> . . . and - the sensation! :)
>
> Felix wrote:
>
> > Clark wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I wonder what Felix would use a thermometer for . . . :)
> >>
> >
> > reminds me of the classic...
> >
> > Do you know the difference between an oral thermometer...and, a
> > rectal thermometer?
> >
> >
> > The taste....
> >
> > --
> > Felix J. McGillicuddy
> > ME-->GA '98
> > "Your Move"
> > http://Felixhikes.tripod.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >>From the AT-L mailing list est. 1995
> > Need help? http://www.at-l.org
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> >
> > Stay on topic!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:23:24 -0400
> From: Clark <icw39@ncfreedom.net>
> Reply-To: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> Organization: none! :)
> To: ted anderson <atted@tampabay.rr.com>
> CC: ellen@clinic.net, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net, orangebug74@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Re: help me with my gear list - please
>
> Hey - we should patent that! Peppermint tasting hemp/castile soap
> brownies that get you happy and then clean your system out to boot! :)
>
> ted anderson wrote:
>
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > I just visited their site........it has Hemp oil in it. Maybe it can be
> > made into brownies:)
> > Ted
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> > Date: Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:45:50 PM
> > To: ted anderson
> > Cc: orangebug74@yahoo.com; at-l@mailman.backcountry.net;
ellen@clinic.net
> > Subject: Re: [at-l] Re: help me with my gear list - please
> >
> > I personally don't know - but if you visit the link Karen just posted,
> > you can learn all kinds of wild and crazy things about Dr. Bronners! I
> > first was introduced to the soap in the 1970s, and - heck - maybe it was
> > the crazy stuff on the label that kept me coming back! :) Seriously,
> > I've been told it is relatively easy on the environment - plus, where
> > else can you use a soap that is advertised as good for everything from
> > washing hands, to brushing teeth, to combating hiker smell! :)
> >
> > thru-thinker
> >
> > ted anderson wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--
> >>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >>
> >>
> >>Thru Thinker wrote . . . I still like to take a smidge of good old Dr.
> >>Bronners peppermint castile soap with me . . .
> >>
> >>Thru, do you know, off hand, if castile is a non alkaline soap???
> >>Ted
> >>--
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>>From the AT-L mailing list est. 1995
> >>Need help? http://www.at-l.org
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> >>
> >>Stay on topic!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Stay on topic!
> > .
> > --
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Need help? http://www.at-l.org
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 22
> From: DTimm65344@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:25:23 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Airplane Crash in SNP
> To: rickboudrie@hotmail.com
> CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 08/27/02 7:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> rickboudrie@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > Just saw this in last Thursdays NPS Morning Report in case anyone who
hikes
> > in the area is interested:
> >
> > Ju02-410 - Shenandoah NP (VA) - Search for Missing Aircraft
> >
> > On the evening of August 19th, park dispatch received a call from the
> > AirForce Rescue Coordination Center reporting that the wreckage of a
> > missingC essna 172 with one person on board had been spotted about a
mile
> > and a half east of Swift Run and a mile north of Route 33. A ground
search
> > ensured that involved about 65 people from the park, Appalachian Search
and
> > Rescue Conference, CAP, Greene County Sheriff's Office, Greene County
> > Rescue
> > Squad, and Harrisonburg Rescue Squad. The aircraft was found by rangers
on
> > Saddleback Mountain a third of a mile north of the Appalachian Trail
just
> > outside the park at 1:15 a.m. the next morning. The pilot did not
survive.
> > A
> > joint investigation by NTSB, FAA and Virginia State Police is underway.
> > [Ginny Rousseau, CR, SHEN]
> >
>
> Yikes.....
>
> My HATT section this weekend.
>
> Black&blue
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:27:39 -0400
> From: Clark <icw39@ncfreedom.net>
> Reply-To: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> Organization: none! :)
> To: lparker@cacaphony.net
> CC: AHuthmaker@aol.com, "AT-L List (E-mail)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] wild pig attack
>
> thar's a bunch of them wild bares runnin loose around Joyce Kilmer
> Memorial Forest in the fer reaches of western NC - when I tramp around
> in them parts in the winner time I'm not right sure whether I fear more
> them russkie wild pigs, vs the locals who hunt 'em! :)
>
> thru-thinker
>
> L. Parker wrote:
>
> > Ah suppose ah shuld set you all to rites about feral pigs...
> >
> > Thar be two types of them critters, thar is your common ordinary feral
pig,
> > this is jus a pig whats got loose from a farm sumwhere.
> >
> > Then thar be the other kind. It seems that way back when, some southern
> > Gentlemen took a fancy to some huntin tales told by furiners, don't know
> > rightly but I think they wuz from Russia or some such place. Now, in
them
> > thar tales, they talked about a 'bare which ifn I understand rightly is
> > called a "boar" if you don' live in Dixie. Now, 'bares (or boar) are
kinda
> > like pigs, 'cept they are a whole lot bigger, angrier and nastier than
pigs.
> > Why I believe a bare would as soon et you as look at you.
> >
> > Anyways, these southern Gentlemen took it upon themselves to import sum
of
> > these bare to Dixie with the intent of huntin them. Course, some go
these
> > bare promptly escaped and have been having themselves a pig in a wallow
of a
> > time ever since.
> >
> > Now if you live down here in Dixie, you know there ain't no bag limit on
> > bare (or pigs either for that matter) and they is a bigger pest than
ticks
> > on a hound dog.
> >
> > Lee I Joe
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >>From the AT-L mailing list est. 1995
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> >
> > Stay on topic!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:31:30 -0400
> From: Clark <icw39@ncfreedom.net>
> Reply-To: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> Organization: none! :)
> To: DTimm65344@aol.com
> CC: rrubin@atconf.org, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Whitetop elevation
>
> this sparks one of my favorite "technical" AT high point questions:
> Since the AT no longer goes right up to the base of the observation
> tower at Clingman's Dome, is CD really the highest point on the Trail
> anymore? It looks to me like the treadway is a good ways down from CD's
> high point . . .
>
> hmm - something else to ponder as you reflect on the fact that years
> back on yer thru-hike you got out of that hitched ride car on the other
> side of the road from where you earlier got in for the ride in to town,
> thus confirming that ya missed a good 30-50 feet of actual AT route! :)
>
> heh-heh-heh!
>
> thru-thinker
>
> DTimm65344@aol.com wrote:
>
> > TopoUSA 3.0 has the peak at 5,540 ft. Highest trail point passing it is
> > 5,261 ft.
> >
> > Black&blue
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> > Stay on topic!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:38:11 -0400
> From: Clark <icw39@ncfreedom.net>
> Reply-To: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> Organization: none! :)
> To: Chris Young <detour74@yahoo.com>
> CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] One Year Ago Today- An Idea?
>
> The post from Chris sparked a wild thought - needless to say, the "one
> year ago today" theme resonates a bit more deeply these days, as we
> approach the one year divide between us all and September 11, 2001 . . .
> it occurs to me that there will still be a lot of thru-hikers out on the
> AT, along with a lot of other section hikers . . . perhaps we could all
> show respect by not walking any on that day, or at least for a couple of
> hours in the morning when those terrible things happened, as a way of
> both showing remembrance, and actually taking a bit of time to remember,
> in one's own personal way, while in the glory of the out-of-doors.
>
> I've given this idea little thought - it just hit me as something to
> throw out everyone's way . . .
>
> Thru-Thinker
>
> Chris Young wrote
>
>
> > One year ago today it was my birthday . . . [snip]
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:59:59 -0400
> From: Clark <icw39@ncfreedom.net>
> Reply-To: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> Organization: none! :)
> To: Raphael Bustin <rafe.bustin@verizon.net>
> CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Dude, The Rash
>
> I think Rafe's advice is the best, but different folks have different
> needs, depending on whether they are just dealing with rash due to
> friction, chafing, moisture - versus a real fungus or other "stuff."
> REI and many others sell the boxers Rafe described - you want them to be
> made of coolmax, polypro or similar fibers, you want them to be
> lightweight, and you need to carry two pair and try to dry out the pair
> you are not wearing . . . hanging totally loose is a bad idea for many
> guys - again that is a generalization, and for each guy it comes down to
> a matter of specific anatomy interactions [ahem] :) For hot days, the
> outer short can be a simple, lightweight nylon short, with no liner.
>
> thru-thinker
>
> Raphael Bustin wrote:
>
> > --
> > At 11:45 PM 8/26/2002 -0400, Jabberwocky wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Howdy AT-L,
> >> I've been lurkin' around for quite a while and I thought I would
drop in
> >>
> >>from hyperspace back into cyberspace and get some advice. A recent
> >
> >>conversation on the List (you know which one I'm talkin' about) reminded
me
> >>of something. You see, like the List, I've got this problem....
> >> You know: summer hiking, you're hot, sweaty and dirty...and it
burns.
> >>Dude, I mean it BURNS. The topic comes up every summer on the list and
I've
> >>probably missed the recent discussion, but what I'm interested in is
what
> >>kind of underwear (brandnames, material, etc.) do you use? I use
medicated
> >>powder before I hit the trail and when I'm about to crawl into the bivy.
It
> >>works, but what's your strategic preemptive strike for preventing that
most
> >>embarrassing and debilitating of trail maladies?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Clingy boxer shorts... non-cotton, of course.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you call this style of underwear. Not briefs,
> > not boxers. They have "pant legs" that go down several inches
> > past the crotch. Not super tight, but they follow the contours
> > of the body -- not loose like regular boxer shorts.
> >
> > This is not something I'd wear in the "real world." For
> > daily (real-world) use I much prefer cotton.
> >
> > Part B of the plan is to get air on these body parts at every
> > opportunity. Part C is regular cleaning with a washcloth.
> > Part D is Gold Bond powder. Part E is just putting up with it.
> >
> >
> > rafe b.
> > aka terrapin
> > --
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Need help? http://www.at-l.org
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> >
> > Stay on topic!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:06:58 -0400
> From: Clark <icw39@ncfreedom.net>
> Reply-To: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> Organization: none! :)
> To: dale moore <daleamerica@attbi.com>
> CC: "AT (E-mail)" <AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Thru Hike completed
>
> Awesome job, Dale!
>
> p.s. your post came in dated April 23rd, 2002 - that was a helluva time
> travel trip! :)
>
> thru-thinker
>
> dale moore wrote:
>
> > To all my ATL friends , I completed the AT last monday. It was as good a
day
> > as it gets on Katahdin . I had a great hike except for a bout with Lyme
> > disease and shin splints. Thanks for all the advise and support I
received
> > from the ATL. See you all at the GA Ruck. DaleAmerica GAtoME 02
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >>From the AT-L mailing list est. 1995
> > Need help? http://www.at-l.org
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> >
> > Stay on topic!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:49:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Orange Bug <orangebug74@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Airplane Crash in SNP
> To: DTimm65344@aol.com
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> You have the PERFECT SECTION! It has been predisastered. Nothing can go
> wrong.
>
> <Reference: The World According to Garp>
>
> Bill...
>
> --- DTimm65344@aol.com wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > In a message dated 08/27/02 7:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > rickboudrie@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Just saw this in last Thursdays NPS Morning Report in case anyone
> > who hikes
> > > in the area is interested:
> > >
> > > Ju02-410 - Shenandoah NP (VA) - Search for Missing Aircraft
> ...
> > Yikes.....
> >
> > My HATT section this weekend.
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 29
> From: DTimm65344@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:54:40 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Airplane Crash in SNP
> To: orangebug74@yahoo.com
> CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 08/27/02 9:51:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> orangebug74@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > You have the PERFECT SECTION! It has been predisastered. Nothing can go
> > wrong.
> >
>
> I suppose that's one way to look at it... I was concerned that if I have
to
> scan the skies for errant aircraft I will miss all the critters and the
> flora.
>
> Black&blue
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:22:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Chris Young <detour74@yahoo.com>
> To: icw39@ncfreedom.net
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] RE:One Year Ago Today- An Idea?
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>
> That sounds like a good idea. To elaborate on my "one year ago" story
furth=
> er,I happened to be on the trail during September 11 last year. I knew
noth=
> ing of what had happened for 3 days. I did carry a radio,but hadn't
listene=
> d to it,until I turned it on 3 days later. The next town I was in was Port
=
> Clinton,and if you've ever been there,you know there's not much there. The
=
> world didn't seem to change much.In fact,until I finally came home right
be=
> fore Christmas,I didn't even see the footage of what happened. I'll
admit,w=
> ith all the chaos that followed,the woods remained peaceful as always.
>
> Detour
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Karin Claus <karinclaus@yahoo.com>
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] Sunday evening shuttle to Pinkham Notch
>
> Greetings:
>
> I'm going to try to meet my thru-hiker wife,
> Greasepot, at Pinkham Notch on Sunday, September 8.
> I'm flying into Boston Logan Airport too late to get
> the Concord Trailways bus that goes there directly. I
> can get a bus to the town of Concord. Any ideas on
> how I can get from Concord to Pinkham Notch?
>
> Much appreciated,
>
> Andrew Claus
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 32
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:52:21 -0400
> From: Charles Davidson <wb4pan@mindspring.com>
> To: ArgentandSable@aol.com
> CC: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Dude, The Rash
>
> Bag Balm is a miracle cure.
>
> =09Perhaps it would be a good preventative measure also. It is good for
cow=
> udders too! On my hike last week I developed a rash in the first hot
swelt=
> ering 18 miles. Luckily I had a small nalgene container with some Bag Balm
=
> in it. It gave immediate relief and the problem cleared up quickly.
>
> chase
>
> ArgentandSable@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Howdy AT-L,
> > I've been lurkin' around for quite a while and I thought I would
drop=
> in
> > from hyperspace back into cyberspace and get some advice. A recent
> > conversation on the List (you know which one I'm talkin' about) reminded
=
> me
> > of something. You see, like the List, I've got this problem....
> > You know: summer hiking, you're hot, sweaty and dirty...and it
burns.
> > Dude, I mean it BURNS. The topic comes up every summer on the list and
I'=
> ve
> > probably missed the recent discussion, but what I'm interested in is
what
> > kind of underwear (brandnames, material, etc.) do you use? I use
medicate=
> d
> > powder before I hit the trail and when I'm about to crawl into the bivy.
=
> It
> > works, but what's your strategic preemptive strike for preventing that
mo=
> st
> > embarrassing and debilitating of trail maladies?
> >
> > Dude, Pass The Gorp
> > Jabberwocky
> > GA->VA '96
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Stay on topic!
>
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> Message: 33
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:57:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: walks sober <walkssober@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Jan Day 27...TADA!!!!
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>
> Let/s give Jan and Clyde a hand. HoRay.
> kahley wrote:BON JOUR tout le monde!
>
> Today, monde, we are going to walk to QUEBEC!
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 34
> From: "Rogene Beers" <wolferrae@earthlink.net>
> To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] OT - TN Yankees
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:56:57 -0400
>
> Kewel,
> CC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DTimm65344@aol.com>
> To: ""Dave Hicks"" <daveh@psknet.com>; <DaRedhead@aol.com>;
> <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [at-l] OT - TN Yankees
>
>
> >
> > Chainsaw wrote:
> >
> > "Maryland and Pennsylvania. It is so called because it was surveyed
> (1763-67)
> > by two British astronomers, Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon. This
survey
> > was undertaken in order to settle a dispute between the Calvert family,
> > proprietors of Maryland, and the Penn family, proprietors of
Pennsylvania;
> > the dispute had lasted since the English colonizer William Penn was
> granted
> > Pennsylvania in 1681. The line was drawn to a point about 244 miles west
> of
> > the Delaware River. Further work was done in 1773 and 1779."
> >
> > The Mason Dixon trail runs through my neighborhood and is my training
> ground. The original markers are pretty interesting and can be found
along
> the trail.
> >
> > Black&blue
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 35
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:17:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Orange Bug <orangebug74@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Dude, The Rash
> To: Charles Davidson <wb4pan@mindspring.com>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> Bag balm, udder cream, Prep H and lots of other lotions work well to
> lubricate, reduce friction, reduce moisture and have some
> anti-inflammatory or anti-fungal effects. Chafing can progress toward
> fungal or bacterial cellulitis, but the early symptoms usually result
> in the hiker stopping and finding means to interrupt such an outcome.
> Petroleum jelly, mineral oils and other bases are pretty common to the
> ointments listed by others.
>
> It is also important to check out the hems of boxer shorts or athletic
> shorts. I've had the nylon thread along the legs of Patagonia poly
> boxers get this started, as well as dead elastic in some other shorts.
>
> Bill...
>
> --- Charles Davidson <wb4pan@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Bag Balm is a miracle cure.
> >
>
>
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> Message: 36
> From: DaRedhead@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:19:07 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Whitetop elevation
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> In a message dated 8/27/02 7:33:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> icw39@ncfreedom.net writes:
>
>
> > hmm - something else to ponder as you reflect on the fact that years
> > back on yer thru-hike you got out of that hitched ride car on the other
> > side of the road from where you earlier got in for the ride in to town,
> > thus confirming that ya missed a good 30-50 feet of actual AT route! :)
> >
>
> Unless, of course, your name is Feelix . . . ;-)
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 37
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Datto <datto_atl2@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Dude, The Rash
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> --- Charles Davidson <wb4pan@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Bag Balm is a miracle cure.
>
> How about Johnson Wax? No need to hike in the buff!
>
> Datto
>
>
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