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[at-l] Scouts
Follow-ups are off-topic. Move to private email now.
-Ryan
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From: "Dave" <davidf@teamcourage.org>
To: <gwa@ec.rr.com>
Cc: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [at-l] Scouts
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> just hate Christians because they are all hypocrites no ther religion
> teaches hate discremation and violce liekt eh chrstion relgion she
> me achrstion and I will show you a hypcrte by the way you could have seen
> jesus becuse he had no powers and was not part of god in fact every thing
> they wrote about him is worng why do you trhink they dumped 5 books of the
> bibel. o and chrstions preach love is that why i got to see a guy beat to
a
> bloody pulp in a chruch becuse he was gay. is that why when mathow shepred
> my best frind was beat to deatht eh chrstions were rejoicing and happy
> At 09:53 PM 26-08-02 -0400, George Andrews wrote:
>
> >Dave,
> >
> >Please stop. I do not know why you are so filled with anger and
> >hatred but it is not doing you or anyone else any good. It is certainly
> >not adding to the quality of this list.
> >
> >Think about what you are saying. You are a part of an organization
> >charged with the responsibility to rescue people in distress and you
> >have delayed emergency care and rescue efforts to people in need
> >because you hate the Boy Scouts?
> >
> >on the other hand, I am part of an organization that says "On my
> >honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to
> >obey the Scout Law. To help other people at all times. To keep
> >myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight".
> >
> >Which position sounds more rational?
> >
> >I am part of a racially mixed church and have many brothers and
> >sisters of all races and backgrounds. A number of them are in
> >Scouting, Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. Not all of them are
> >Christian. But all of them including me will not hesitate EVER to
> >come to your aid in time of distress. Even knowing that you hate
> >the organization and despise them.
> >
> >Please look inward and ask yourself honestly if your position is well
> >thought out or if you can and should challenge some of your beliefs.
> >
> >Please also let's take this thread off-line. Email me if you must and I
> >will respond as best I can to your questions and positions. I am a
> >Christian and make no apologies for having been brought back from
> >the brink of death through a personal confrontation with Jesus
> >Christ. Lets talk about this off-list. Tell me why you hate.
> >
> >George
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 26 Aug 2002 at 18:38, Dave wrote:
> >
> > > --
> > > how can you tell the scouts have been on the trial just look around.
there
> > > will be garbage and poop every were because they have no clue about
> > > lnt our rescue group I run have been called to rescue a scout troop
in
> > > trouble with a broken leg injury I am taking my own sweet time paging
every
> > > one out just let them set and weight another night heck we might
> > > get rescue that counts there boy scouts they can survive they say
> > > At 09:00 AM 26-08-02 -0400, George Andrews wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 25 Aug 2002 at 17:41, Orange Bug wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Forget the bad karma, and keep up the good work to help support
the Boy
> > > > > Scouts. We need every effort to help develop the next generation
of
> > > > > hikers.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, if that was a flesh wound, you must be a lot more fragile
than I
> > > > > expected. Thin skin is a poor match to a thick skull.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Bill,
> > > >
> > > >It wasn't a real flesh wound, more like just a little nick. The
patient
> > > >has fully recovered.
> > > >
> > > >I am having a ball with the Scouts!!! We are a young troop with an
> > > >average age of 12.5 and only one 2nd class among them not
> > > >counting my son. My son is a life scout and the Sr. Patrol leader
> > > >and at 15 yrs old is acting like the old man of the group. His
> > > >exposure and reaction to the leadership role is a thing of wonder.
> > > >The way he looks out for the young scouts and is helping them with
> > > >advancement makes me want to grab him by the shoulders and
> > > >ask" OK! Who are you and what have you done with my son?!"
> > > >
> > > >Our first backpacking trip was 5 miles. 2.5 in and two nights stay
by
> > > >a lake and then 2.5 miles out. They needed the 5 miler as a 2nd
> > > >class requirement and at least 2 miles for a shakedown hike.
> > > >
> > > >Anyway, they started out with all manner of junk hanging out and off
> > > >of their packs. Packs not adjusted correctly, and in general, a
> > > >motley crew. With many stops over the next 2.5 miles to teach,
> > > >adjust, fix, tighten, secure and reload packs we arrived at the lake.
> > > >
> > > >Since this was just their first backpacking trip we had already had
> > > >canoes delivered to the lake. The next two days were spent working
> > > >on swimming and canoeing merit badges and cooking with
> > > >backpacking stoves. Each scout must show the ability to SAFELY
> > > >use at least 3 different stove. I chose the ZIP, the Peak 1, the
> > > >Whisperlight, the MSR Alpine, and the pepsi can stove. They are
> > > >familiar with each now.
> > > >
> > > >They are cooking in teams of 4 people which promotes team work in
> > > >shopping and preparation. This is a little foreign to me as I have
> > > >always carried and cooked for myself but it is working for them at
> > > >this time. I plan to later get them to be more individualistic and
self-
> > > >contained.
> > > >
> > > >Here is the magic part...
> > > >
> > > >When we got ready to pack out on Sunday morning, the scouts got
> > > >up early and started to pack up for the hike out WITHOUT BEING
> > > >TOLD! They fixed their breakfast and had the area policed up and
> > > >packs all lined up ready for the 'trek' out. After a quick swim we
> > > >changed into hiking clothes and saddled up.
> > > >
> > > >Their little shoulders were squared up and the packs were put on
> > > >and adjusted correctly and they were very proud and pleased with
> > > >themselves for their newfound skills. They looked like a crew of
> > > >professionals and checked and rechecked each others gear. It was
> > > >only 2.5 miles out and on the side of a road but it was a very
> > > >enjoyable hike and there was a real spring in everone's step.
> > > >
> > > >We have a random hike call where a scout leader will call out "Pack
> > > >it in" and they respond with "Pack it out". Then the call "Attitude
> > > >check" and they respond with "Leave no trace". This is slowly
> > > >working down into their souls.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Our next hike was 10 miles in the Birkhead Wilderness Area. The
> > > >amount of gear they took was drastically reduced and far more
> > > >appropriate. They really did learn from the first hike. No
deoderant,
> > > >hand axes, 4 knives and long underwear (mid August). As we left
> > > >the trailhead and walked a couple hundred yards into the trail I
> > > >stopped them and told them to take a minute of silence and look
> > > >around. I told them that this is God's creation and it is perfect
and
> > > >they were now in church and to respect the trail and enjoy the hike
> > > >with that in mind. They did not want to stop hiking and we did 10
> > > >miles that day! There was only one tiny blister among them and
> > > >was dealt with immediately. They are learning skills that took me
> > > >into my 20's to develop.
> > > >
> > > >These are now some of the best times of my life - ever. I am
> > > >blessed. If you want to live forever then invest yourself in
Scouting
> > > >and those young lives. Wow!
> > > >
> > > >Tin Man
> > > >www.antigravitygear.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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