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just hate Christians because they are all hypocrites no ther religion
teaches hate discremation and violce liekt eh chrstion relgion she
me achrstion and I will show you a hypcrte by the way you could have seen
jesus becuse he had no powers and was not part of god in fact every thing
they wrote about him is worng why do you trhink they dumped 5 books of the
bibel. o and chrstions preach love is that why i got to see a guy beat to a
bloody pulp in a chruch becuse he was gay. is that why when mathow shepred
my best frind was beat to deatht eh chrstions were rejoicing and happy
At 09:53 PM 26-08-02 -0400, George Andrews wrote:
>Dave,
>
>Please stop. I do not know why you are so filled with anger and
>hatred but it is not doing you or anyone else any good. It is certainly
>not adding to the quality of this list.
>
>Think about what you are saying. You are a part of an organization
>charged with the responsibility to rescue people in distress and you
>have delayed emergency care and rescue efforts to people in need
>because you hate the Boy Scouts?
>
>on the other hand, I am part of an organization that says "On my
>honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to
>obey the Scout Law. To help other people at all times. To keep
>myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight".
>
>Which position sounds more rational?
>
>I am part of a racially mixed church and have many brothers and
>sisters of all races and backgrounds. A number of them are in
>Scouting, Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. Not all of them are
>Christian. But all of them including me will not hesitate EVER to
>come to your aid in time of distress. Even knowing that you hate
>the organization and despise them.
>
>Please look inward and ask yourself honestly if your position is well
>thought out or if you can and should challenge some of your beliefs.
>
>Please also let's take this thread off-line. Email me if you must and I
>will respond as best I can to your questions and positions. I am a
>Christian and make no apologies for having been brought back from
>the brink of death through a personal confrontation with Jesus
>Christ. Lets talk about this off-list. Tell me why you hate.
>
>George
>
>
>
>
>On 26 Aug 2002 at 18:38, Dave wrote:
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> > how can you tell the scouts have been on the trial just look around. there
> > will be garbage and poop every were because they have no clue about
> > lnt our rescue group I run have been called to rescue a scout troop in
> > trouble with a broken leg injury I am taking my own sweet time paging every
> > one out just let them set and weight another night heck we might
> > get rescue that counts there boy scouts they can survive they say
> > At 09:00 AM 26-08-02 -0400, George Andrews wrote:
> >
> > >On 25 Aug 2002 at 17:41, Orange Bug wrote:
> > >
> > > > Forget the bad karma, and keep up the good work to help support the Boy
> > > > Scouts. We need every effort to help develop the next generation of
> > > > hikers.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, if that was a flesh wound, you must be a lot more fragile than I
> > > > expected. Thin skin is a poor match to a thick skull.
> > > >
> > > > Bill...
> > >
> > >
> > >Bill,
> > >
> > >It wasn't a real flesh wound, more like just a little nick. The patient
> > >has fully recovered.
> > >
> > >I am having a ball with the Scouts!!! We are a young troop with an
> > >average age of 12.5 and only one 2nd class among them not
> > >counting my son. My son is a life scout and the Sr. Patrol leader
> > >and at 15 yrs old is acting like the old man of the group. His
> > >exposure and reaction to the leadership role is a thing of wonder.
> > >The way he looks out for the young scouts and is helping them with
> > >advancement makes me want to grab him by the shoulders and
> > >ask" OK! Who are you and what have you done with my son?!"
> > >
> > >Our first backpacking trip was 5 miles. 2.5 in and two nights stay by
> > >a lake and then 2.5 miles out. They needed the 5 miler as a 2nd
> > >class requirement and at least 2 miles for a shakedown hike.
> > >
> > >Anyway, they started out with all manner of junk hanging out and off
> > >of their packs. Packs not adjusted correctly, and in general, a
> > >motley crew. With many stops over the next 2.5 miles to teach,
> > >adjust, fix, tighten, secure and reload packs we arrived at the lake.
> > >
> > >Since this was just their first backpacking trip we had already had
> > >canoes delivered to the lake. The next two days were spent working
> > >on swimming and canoeing merit badges and cooking with
> > >backpacking stoves. Each scout must show the ability to SAFELY
> > >use at least 3 different stove. I chose the ZIP, the Peak 1, the
> > >Whisperlight, the MSR Alpine, and the pepsi can stove. They are
> > >familiar with each now.
> > >
> > >They are cooking in teams of 4 people which promotes team work in
> > >shopping and preparation. This is a little foreign to me as I have
> > >always carried and cooked for myself but it is working for them at
> > >this time. I plan to later get them to be more individualistic and self-
> > >contained.
> > >
> > >Here is the magic part...
> > >
> > >When we got ready to pack out on Sunday morning, the scouts got
> > >up early and started to pack up for the hike out WITHOUT BEING
> > >TOLD! They fixed their breakfast and had the area policed up and
> > >packs all lined up ready for the 'trek' out. After a quick swim we
> > >changed into hiking clothes and saddled up.
> > >
> > >Their little shoulders were squared up and the packs were put on
> > >and adjusted correctly and they were very proud and pleased with
> > >themselves for their newfound skills. They looked like a crew of
> > >professionals and checked and rechecked each others gear. It was
> > >only 2.5 miles out and on the side of a road but it was a very
> > >enjoyable hike and there was a real spring in everone's step.
> > >
> > >We have a random hike call where a scout leader will call out "Pack
> > >it in" and they respond with "Pack it out". Then the call "Attitude
> > >check" and they respond with "Leave no trace". This is slowly
> > >working down into their souls.
> > >
> > >
> > >Our next hike was 10 miles in the Birkhead Wilderness Area. The
> > >amount of gear they took was drastically reduced and far more
> > >appropriate. They really did learn from the first hike. No deoderant,
> > >hand axes, 4 knives and long underwear (mid August). As we left
> > >the trailhead and walked a couple hundred yards into the trail I
> > >stopped them and told them to take a minute of silence and look
> > >around. I told them that this is God's creation and it is perfect and
> > >they were now in church and to respect the trail and enjoy the hike
> > >with that in mind. They did not want to stop hiking and we did 10
> > >miles that day! There was only one tiny blister among them and
> > >was dealt with immediately. They are learning skills that took me
> > >into my 20's to develop.
> > >
> > >These are now some of the best times of my life - ever. I am
> > >blessed. If you want to live forever then invest yourself in Scouting
> > >and those young lives. Wow!
> > >
> > >Tin Man
> > >www.antigravitygear.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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