For whoever asked about the LNT series posted here eons ago :), that was Charlie Thorpe, and you can find the same info at this url. If you're interested in seeing what peoples responses were to it on the list, or any of the FRIENDLY debates over the topic, you will find them mostly in the March and April of '98 at-l archives. http://www.scoutscan.com/lnt/lnt0.html Red