[at-l] NIMBYISM and other nonsense

[spiriteagle99@hotmail.com (Jim and/or Ginny Owen)]

Bob C. wrote:
>Most attempt a thru hike just to be able to say they have done it.
>
>However,  there's  another 5 million who just want to experience wildness 
>and go out for a day or a weekend, occasionally a week.
>
>There's  even  a few thru hikers who seek wildness. It's my guess, based on 
>many years  of anecdotal conversations, that they are the ones who are most 
>likely to reach  Katahdin.  If  one  seeks  only  to walk from Georgia to 
>Maine, there are numerous  "blue  highways"  that  will serve as well as a 
>wild trail. I strongly urge that they choose those highways and create 
>their own patch. YMMV.

And I'd suggest that until you actually do a thruhike you don't have a clue 
about the motivation of those who do and you should avoid making a fool of 
yourself like this.  And don't give us the song and dance about 2000 miles 
and 6 months - that wasn't a thruhike.  You didn't subject yourself to the 
time and distance stresses necessary to do a thruhike.  If you're gonna talk 
the talk, then walk the walk first.

Next subject -
>"...but what RnR represents isn't "advocacy"." claims Jim and/or...
>
>Well you could have fooled me.

Less that a week ago, you complained when I said you consistently defended 
RnR.  Tell me - just what are you doing now?


And then you said -
>...The guy in Florida never recognizes that. I think his keybord is stuck 
>on M." thinks Lugnut.
>
>No.  But  it  is stuck on trying to win support for the trail as a wild 
>place -- not  always  skillfully,  not  always  with  the  greatest wisdom. 
>But RnR has a perspective and a vision that few on this list seem able to 
>achieve.

There are other versions - one of which is that he's Bipolar and trying self 
treatment with alcohol.  And that didn't come from OB but from another list 
member.  RnR's perspective and vision are static - and not even his own, but 
what he acquired from (by his own words) a single reading of selected 
passages by MacKaye while sitting on WF's porch.  "Selected passages"???  
What a crock -- translated that means passages selected to fit WF's 
particular biases about the Trail.  RnR's "vision" is WF's vision.  He 
doesn't even have the intelligence to form his own.  The only thing he has 
is a fanaticism that's out of tune with both the Trail and with hiking - to 
say nothing of this list.

If you want to insult the list as a whole, Weary, surely you can do better 
than claiming that we're not smart enough to accept a second-hand "vision" 
that its most vocal disciple can't even adequately defend.  Personally, RnR 
has failed to convince me of anything because he's consistently lied about 
his knowledge and his sources.  I don't follow those who deliberately lie - 
if they'll deliberately lie to me about one thing, they'll lie about other 
things.  Used to be known as snake oil salesmen, con artists, etc.

He's failed to produce ANY evidence to support his contentions, he can't 
even come up with references from MacKaye's writings.  Even I can do that.

He's insulted nearly everybody who's ever answered ANY of his posts (with 
the possible exception of "you").  He's pounded the same message at 
everybody on the list time after time after time - ad nauseum.  And he's 
made himself a laughing stock, an annoyance and a fool.  If you truly 
believe that he has a valid message, then support him - supply the quotes 
that he can't seem to find, make "real" arguments instead of the one-line 
put-downs and unsupported personal opinion phrased as God-like 
pronouncements.

If you really believe that he's an effective advocate in any way, then I 
think you need to find an elementary logic course - or see a good 
psychiatrist.  I can recommend one but I'm not sure he'd agree to take you 
on.

Walk softly,
Jim





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