Re[2]: [at-l] The ethics of snoring......

[nealb@midlandstech.com (William Neal)]

Actually snorers don't know they snore loudly.  All they usually know is
what others tell them.  HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU'RE SNORING WHEN YOU'RE
ASLEEP?!!! :-)

As to waking snorers: Ask them before y'all go to sleep if anyone's ever
told them they snore.  Some of us run on auto-pilot and don't really know
what's going on when we are wakened.  Then we mumble something and fall
right back to sleep.  It's easier to get snorers to react while they are
still awake. And never ever hit us.  Some of us hit back. ;-)

One friend practices "mumbling" while "asleep" when he sleeps in a "crash"
room at cons.  He says what he mumbles tends to clear out a crowded "crash"
room that's gotten too noisy.

Now as to smokers: I once was caught on a plane with a smoker (pre-anti
smoking rules).  He had a big stoogie.  The plane was full and there was no
where else to sit.  I had a tension headache complicated by stuffy sinuses.
I asked him to put it out because it was making me sick.  He refused.  I
explained that I use to be a heavy smoker and understand how he felt, but
couldn't he show a little common courtesy.  He kept on smoking.  Then I told
him I was getting a really bad sick headache and I didn't know if I could
grab the air-sick bag in time.  & Since he was smoking, I was going to face
his seat.  He stopped.  Since then, I've used similar tactics in restaurants
and elsewhere -- even when I'm not coming down with a serious headache.

When I am caught in a "full" shelter, I tried to go by who was there first
and what the majority did.  I also considered such factors as "polite" kids
(really young ones) and people who did not carry tents or only minimal
tarps.  Then I'd decide whether to out or not.  Usually I did.  I really
hate practicing "Hurling-Fu". :-0

William, The Courtesy Turtle
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter H. Fornof [mailto:athiker@plantnet.com]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 6:58 PM
To: at-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [at-l] The ethics of snoring......


What about when the snorer knows he/she snores loudly and continues to sleep
in shelters, keeping one and all up all night? A question of consideration,
I think.

I have a hiking buddy that I'll call Roscoe, to keep his name off of the
Internet. This guy would snore so loudly that the shelter would literally
reverberate. He kept EVERYONE up. I acted like I didn't know him, I was so
embarrassed. We'd try to gently wake him to no avail. We graduated to
putting jackets over his face, etc. That didn't work either. We finally
resorted to throwing boots at him. That did the trick until he fell asleep
again. We finally had a "come to Jesus" meeting with him.

Being a good guy, he finally got the message on subsequent trips and slept
in a tent, several hundred yards from the shelter.

Should others follow Roscoe's example or just snore away, even though they
keep everyone awake and know it?

Pete Fornof



> "If smokers are banned from smoking en shelter, how's cum snorers aren't
> expected to sleep elsewhere as well?" asks Kahley.
>
> That's simple. Smoking is a voluntary act. Snoring is involuntary. I've
never
> heard me snore. All I know is what folks claim.
>
>  When I used to smoke, I knew full well what it did -- and it was far more
than
>  the loss of a night's sleep, a bit of discomfort. It was endangering
someone's
>  life.
>
>  Weary
>
>
>
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