[at-l] AT-L Content (Old Master)

[spiriteagle99@hotmail.com (Jim and/or Ginny Owen)]

Rafe (and RnR) -
OM's blast was actually mild in comparison to past (last years) posts.  Last 
year we went through several (6?) months of constant putdowns (although not 
just by RnR) of the list, the membership, the content and the purpose, the 
least of which was that at-l consisted entirely of atml (TP) refugees.  I 
won't rehash  that here.  It got right nasty.

HOWEVER --- in this case, I think RnR was honestly trying to make a 
suggestion to improve the list rather than attack it.  That the suggestion 
was taken as a continuation of last years "discussion" isn't surprising to 
those of us who were there.  But I don't think it's worth pursuing on either 
side - I think he should be taken at face value, the same as any other list 
member.  And he is, as I said a year ago - a part of this community. Nearly 
every family - nearly every community - contains those who are "the fringe 
element".  RnR is one of them.  I may be another - in a different way.  But 
a community that can't deal with their own "fringe element" will likely not 
ultimately survive.  And that, Bob, was the major problem and ultimate 
downfall of atml - long before you ever discovered it.

I suspect RnR's suggestion was made in ignorance of the other methods of 
accessing at-l "information".  And in that respect, it was good because, 
frankly, I'd forgotten some of those methods of access, too.  So - all other 
considerations aside - I'll say thank you to RnR for bringing the subject to 
light.

Fact is (sit down RnR) that most of RnR's recent posts have been as good as 
anyone elses here.  I don't always agree with him, but when he talks about 
hiking or trail maintenance or shelters - he's worth listening to.  He has 
knowledge and experience in those areas.  Only when he gets off on trail 
protection or the god-like status of Wingfoot and McKaye does he get extreme 
and lose my interest.

Just for reference, Rafe - I was the "original" (first) excommunicant 
(expellee) from atml.  And the second.  And the third.  After that I didn't 
go back  :-)))

Walk softly,
Jim


rafe wrote:
>Take a deep breath, RnR, and see if you can't fashion more
>coherent sentences, will you?  I know, it may be tough, after
>the rude words just directed at you by Oldmaster.  IMHO,
>Oldmaster was way off base in his attack on you.
>
>I think it would be tragic if AT-L were to suffer the same fate as
>WF's site, but that is not likely to happen... I don't think.
>
>I have some *very* strong feelings about TP and WF, but I'm
>not sure the folks on AT-L want to hear it.  To be brief:  the
>best TP I know of is the stuff I wipe my butt with.  TP is the only
>list that I've ever been expelled from, in many years of very active
>participation on a variety of listservs.
>
>Every list community I've ever been part of has had its family
>squabbles and its "relevancy police."

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