[at-l] Fleece/Other Clothing Recommendations

[t." <tjfort@netdoor.com (t.)]

yea,   ( I hope this hasn't already been asked)

1. how much is all this tech gear going to cost?
2. why not a lightweight cap top?
3. only 1 pair boxers?  You really don't think they'll stay cleaner than
your socks???

and ...

4. what are precip pants?  I've been looking for a good warm weather rain
gear.

thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Williams" <edwilliams@plangraphics.com>
To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: [at-l] Fleece/Other Clothing Recommendations


> Thanks for all the comments and suggestions, very helpful, as always!
>
> Here's my modified clothing list after today:
>
> Patagonia Silkweight Boxers (chaffing prevention)
> Patagonia Silkweight Cap Texture-T (to hike in)
> Patagonia Lightweight Cap Bottoms
> Patagonia Midweight Cap Bottoms
> Patagonia Midweight Cap Crew Top
> Patagonia R2 Pullover
> Precip Pants
> Precip Jacket
> Manzella Z-Base PowerDry Lightweight Liner Gloves
> Manzella Z-Fleece Windstopper Fleece Gloves
> (2) Ultimax Socks w/Coolmax Liners
> OR Windstopper Balaclava
> OR Seattle Sombrero
> Mountain Hardware Flex Half Dome - Ear warmth!
> OR Low Gaiters (forgot foot stuff on the first list).
> Vasque Sundowners
>
> Leave anything out?
>
> Take Care,
> Ed '02
>
> --
> Ed Williams
> GA->ME '02
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>
> "Whoso walketh in solitude, And inhabiteth the wood,
> Choosing light, wave, rock, and bird, Before the money-loving herd,
> Into that forester shall pass, From these companions, power and grace."
> --Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim and/or Ginny Owen [mailto:spiriteagle99@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:25 AM
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net; edwilliams@plangraphics.com
> Subject: [at-l] Fleece/Other Clothing Recommendations
>
>
> Ed Williams wrote:
> >OK - heading to the outfitters tomorrow with sufficient money in hand to
> >try and finalize the clothing for my thru-hike...Here's what I have so
far,
> >and I'd appreciate all the recommendations I can get to fill out the gear
> >list!
> >
> >What I have:
> >(2) Patagonia Silkweight Cap. T-shirts (to hike in/base layer)
> >(1) Patagonia Midweight Cap. Bottoms (hike in these usually until I warm
> >up)
> >(1) Patagonia Midweight Cap. Top
> >(1) Patagonia Exp. Cap. Bottoms - Winter Only
> >(1) Precip Pants - Rain and Outer Layer when needed
> >(1) Precip Jacket - Rain and Outer Layer when needed
> >(1) Marmot AT Gloves - winter only
> >(1) OR Balaclava - winter only
> >(2) Socks and liners
>
>
> Ed -
> OB is giving you good advice but I figured another viewpoint might not
hurt.
>   Some years ago we stayed with a friend who was leaving the next morning
to
> start his thru and he asked us how his fully loaded pack "looked" to us.
My
> only comment was "heavy".  The next morning his pack looked somewhat
> different - and a lot lighter.  The single most common thing that people
get
> to Springer with is unnecessary clothing.
>
> I'm not gonna tell you what to take - I don't do that.  But I'll tell you
> what I carry and/or wear for the conditions you'll find on the Southern AT
> in Spring (cold/wet/hot/dry/rain/snow/fog/sleet/???? - beautiful).
>
> Top down - for the head - a floppy hat that'll protect my ears and bald
head
> from sunburn (that IS a problem on the southern AT before the leaves are
> out) and a fleece or wool hat for warm and for sleeping.
>
> Top - a (yeah - one) Thermax T-shirt, a lightweight Capilene top for
really
> cold hiking and a midweight top for camp/sleeping, a Supplex shirt for
> hiking and for bug protection (it works), a 200 wt fleece jacket and a
Frogg
> Toggs jacket.  Used to use Goretex jackets - too heavy.  Just got a Precip
> jacket but haven't tried it yet.
>
> Hands - 1 pr fleece mittens for for really cold, 1 pr REI MTS liners for
> anything else.  Mittens are better than gloves for warmth.
>
> Bottom - 2 pr nylon shorts, one Capilene bottoms (for sleeping or for
> extreme cold hiking), one pr Supplex convertible pants.
>
> Feet - 2 to 3 pr socks (most people carry liners but they give me
blisters),
> lightweight boots.
>
> I've used Exp weight only once - too hot.  Then it stayed home until I
gave
> it away.
>
> One of the recent discussions on the list was acclimatization.  Once
you're
> on the trail, your metabolism will adjust to the temperatures.  How much
it
> will adjust is an individual thing.  One thing to watch is that for some
> people, when it's cold hiking will keep them warm, but as soon as they
stop
> they go into instant "headed for hypothermia" mode.  Someone mentioned
that
> just this week on the list.  Several of my hiking partners have had that
> problem - including my wife.  If it's cold, what we do is to change
> "immediately" when we get to camp.  We don't set up the tent or start
dinner
> or anything else first - we change.  If you're young and invulnerable
maybe
> that's not necessary - we're not and it is.  Unless you're invulnerable,
> you'll probably want to change before sleeping anyway.  Some people think
> it's not necessary, but I don't like sleeping cold (or not sleeping)
because
> what I'm wearing is damp and the evaporation is drawing the heat out of my
> body.  Note that it doesn't have to be "wet" to do that - normal body
> emissions (perspiration) will make your clothing damp enough to be
> uncomfortable even if you're not hiking - especially when it's cold.
>
> In any case, as you get further North the weather and your body will both
> change and so will your clothing requirements.  But you'll work that out
as
> you go.
>
> Carrying a lot of clothes for an hour or two in camp is neither smart or
> necessary.  If you're in camp and cold, get in your bag - it's your best
> friend and you'll spend a lot of time with it.  As a thruhiker, you'll
> likely be in the bag early anyway.
>
> As long as we're here - a pillow - some people carry one, some don't need
or
> want one.  If you do, I'd suggest that you use your "extra" clothing,
heavy
> jacket, pack, boots, whatever.  I stuff everything into the sleeping bag
> stuff sack.  Works for me - and I don't have to carry the extra weight.
>
> Bottom line is - you can have whatever you're willing to carry. You can
have
> more if you can con a partner into carrying it for you, but that's not
nice
> :-))
>
>
> >What I need:
> >A heavier upper layer - was thinking a Puffball or R2?
> >Anything Else??
> >
> >I also typically hike in cheap Wally World nylon soccer-type shorts - but
> >was considering buying something like the CloudVeil Cool Shorts, or other
> >"hiking" shorts.
>
> If you're used to hiking in something, don't make massive changes just
> before starting a thruhike - just make sure you've got spares in your
> maildrops.
>
> Walk softly,
> Jim
>
>
>
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