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- Subject: [at-l] Labor Unions
- From: SLIM aka Nancy" <bogey1@cplx.net (SLIM aka Nancy)
- Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:43:43 -0400
- References: <200108051414.f75EE2371616@edina2.hack.net>
How in the world did the AT list get to big brawl about labor unions?
Thanks Mags for a beautiful post.
I love my husband, the blue-collar worker, the union shop employee. He and
his fellows for the most part (99%) are the salt of the earth. I know that
all of you would hope that whosoever is desirious to work at least forty
hours a week is deserving of a living wage. You then must read the history
books to find out how this came about.
Not all, actually very few, rich folks in our past with power and money were
benevolent. Many were exploitive of not only men, but women and children
too. my 2 union cents.
Happy Hiking,
SLIM
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> 1. Re: interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT (William davis)
> 2. signing off, bus to Newport VT (Arthur Gaudet)
> 3. Re: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (David)
> 4. Re: interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT (David)
> 5. barefoot sisters (Henry & Carla Lafleur)
> 6. Re[2]: [at-l] interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT (Bob
Cummings)
> 7. Re: Re[2]: [at-l] interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT (David)
> 8. Re: interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT (Chase Davidson)
> 9. Fw: Trip Report ( long, Damascus to Erwin, July 22 - 27 ) (Ronald
Tilkens (AT section hiker))
> 10. Re: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (kahley)
> 11. health care (Bob Cummings)
> 12. Re: Newbie Intro (RoseMarie/Al Sarra)
> 13. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (Clifford
R. Haynes)
> 14. Re: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (Clifford R. Haynes)
> 15. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
(WHHAWKINS@aol.com)
> 16. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (David)
> 17. RE: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (Paul Magnanti)
> 18. RE: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (Paul Magnanti)
> 19. Re: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (David)
> 20. Re[6]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (Bob Cummings)
> 21. Quit-smoking hike in Georgia (RussDade@aol.com)
> 22. Re: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (t.)
> 23. (no subject) (Alexis Geiter)
> 24. Re: (no subject) (KarenS62@aol.com)
> 25. New gear report... (KarenS62@aol.com)
> 26. Re: Quit-smoking hike in Georgia (David)
> 27. Re: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (David)
> 28. Re: EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (Clifford R. Haynes)
> 29. Sure-Thing Hitchiking (Jan Leitschuh)
> 30. Re: Quit-smoking hike in Georgia (kahley)
> 31. JEEP was RE: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (kahley)
> 32. Re: Sure-Thing Hitchiking (Bruce Calkins)
> 33. Re: Sure-Thing Hitchiking (Nina Baxley)
> 34. Re: Quit-smoking hike in Georgia (Chase Davidson)
> 35. Re: groups LNT was(no subject) (Chase Davidson)
> 36. Re: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . . (Steve
Landis)
> 37. Re[2]: [at-l] Sure-Thing Hitchiking (Bob Cummings)
> 38. Re: Quit-smoking hike in Georgia (Steve Landis)
> 39. Re: Sure-Thing Hitchiking (DaRedhead@aol.com)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Reply-To: daviswnj@nji.com
> From: "William davis" <wpdlims@hotmail.com>
> To: tjfort@netdoor.com, dfaddleton@mindspring.com,
> AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT
> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:16:26 -0400
>
> I met a woman on the trail in NY, this year, who had an interesting way of
> getting to and from the trailhead. She and a friend both love to solo
hike.
> Once they agree on a section to hike one drives to one end of the
section,
> one to the other end. They hike toward each other and exchange keys when
> they meet. That allows them the freedom to hike at their own pace. She
> said they rarely meet halfway as her friend is a much faster hiker.
>
> Dachs
>
> >From: "t." <tjfort@netdoor.com>
> >Reply-To: tjfort@netdoor.com
> >To: David <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>, ATL <AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> >Subject: Re: [at-l] "Driving" the AT
> >Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:49:30 -0500
> >
> > > The plan at that
> > > time was to section hike from and back to his car until he got to
> >Katahdin .
> >
> >
> >what an idea!
> >
> >two people could get together and leap frog their cars from ga to me!
> >
> >Why hasn't this been done? think about how easy it would make
> >resupply and town visits.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:30:47 -0400
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> From: Arthur Gaudet <gaudet@mediaone.net>
> Subject: [at-l] signing off, bus to Newport VT
>
> Heading off to the LT soon, so I'm be signing off this list tomorrow
morning.
>
> btw, Vermont Transit can get someone from Boston to Newport, VT
> pretty easily. There's one connection, at White River Junction.
> There's only one bus each day to Newport so the trip is:
>
> Boston to WRJ: 2 pm to 4:15 PM
> WRJ to Newport: 4:45 to 7:30 PM.
>
> Newport is on Lake Memphremagog, about 15 miles from the trailhead at
> Journey's End Road. I'm not sure what I'll do in the way of
> ride/hitch/cab. Since sunset is 8:10 PM I may not have enough time to
> get to the trail on the same day.
>
> The busfare is $53 one way, not bad for 238 miles.
>
> --
> Arthur D. Gaudet "Is walking down called hiking, too?"
> (RockDancer) -heard at the top of Mt Washington, NH
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "David" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> To: <tjfort@netdoor.com>
> Cc: "atl" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:37:07 -0400
>
> In addition to feelings of relief at landing this job, I also have some
> feelings of vindication . . . I took a LOT of criticism for that resume
from
> well meaning folks who thought it was way off base . . .
>
>
>
> > this is so cool. I'll have to try a similar approach. I guess it
> > really is true that you get what you ask for!
> >
> > t.
> >
> >
> > David wrote:
> > >
> > > My resume carried a color picture of me and my two girls in Deep Gap,
> NC,
> > > below Standing Indian, on the Appalachian Trail. Next to that, and
above
> my
> > > name, appeared the statement "A Daddy First, Then a Lawyer, With a
> Life."
> > > This "nontraditional" resume caught their eye and they immediately
> > > responded. I have not had anywhere near the same success with my more
> > > "traditional" resumes.
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> Message: 4
> From: "David" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> To: <daviswnj@nji.com>, <tjfort@netdoor.com>,
<AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:38:22 -0400
>
> I've done this a couple times . . . it works wonderfully IF you remember
to
> hand off the keys when you meet.
>
> > I met a woman on the trail in NY, this year, who had an interesting way
of
> > getting to and from the trailhead. She and a friend both love to solo
> hike.
> > Once they agree on a section to hike one drives to one end of the
> section,
> > one to the other end. They hike toward each other and exchange keys
when
> > they meet. That allows them the freedom to hike at their own pace. She
> > said they rarely meet halfway as her friend is a much faster hiker.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Henry & Carla Lafleur" <hrl@map.com>
> To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:05:34 -0400
> Subject: [at-l] barefoot sisters
>
> I was at the rt.20 trailhead waiting for the barefoot sisters to come out
> friday morning and a hiker told me they were going to the emergency as
> jackrabbit not well..so i met the caretaker at the dirt road taking them
out
> to berkshire medical center and i followed and waited with
them..jackrabbit
> got a prescrition for lyme wihtout the tests being done..all her symptons
> sememd ot indicate it.then they had errands to do and phone calls to make
as
> their sister is coming down from maine to hike with them to north adams
and
> plans to meet there today at the cookie ladys hosue tonight.jackrabbit
feels
> shell be fine going slowly but hadnt been herselk in 5 days so knew
> something was up.we had spur and ready home with us on wednesday night and
> got ready to the chirpractor on thurs morning and prescription called in
to
> a pharmacy for her and back to tyringham trailhead by 2 so they were
headed
> to goose pond on thurs night.
> mother hen
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:53:02 -0400
> From: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> Reply-To: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re[2]: [at-l] interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT
>
> "it works wonderfully IF you remember to
> hand off the keys when you meet."
>
> Well. Not always. Once I arranged with a friend to hike the Bigelow Range.
He and friends would
> start from one end. I and others from the other end of the 20 miles range.
We would exchange car
> keys in the middle. They started a day early, because they were less
experienced.
>
> Unfortunately it was raining hard when I was supposed to start. After
sitting around until noon, I
> finally took off, despite a massive thunder and lightening that seemed to
be developing. I figured I
> had committed my self to exchange keys.
>
> Electricity was everywhere as we crossed Cranberry Peak. But we reached
the Horns Pond shelters by
> dusk anyway -- our scheduled exchange place. No one was there. The next
morning we headed to Avery
> Col. Again no hikers and no messages. Not wanting to end up at the Long
Falls Dam Road and not
> finding a car, we decided to escape via the fire warden's trail, heading
for Stratton where I had
> parked my car.
>
> About 9 p.m. we struggled into Stratton, walking most of the way because
few people pick up hikers
> in the rain. No car. I called my wife. "Oh," she said. "They came off the
mountain yesterday. They
> figured you wouldn't hike because it was raining. When I told them you
were on the trail anyway,
> they jump-started your car and moved it to the Long Falls Dam Road.
>
> Well, Long Falls Dam was 20 miles away by trail -- 80 miles by highway. It
was near 10 p.m. when we
> discovered all this. My buddy was supposed to be at work at 6 a.m. the
next morning in a city 150
> miles away in the opposite direction.
>
> We finally talked a forest warden into driving us around. My buddy just
barely made it to work. I
> finally greeted my wife about 10 a.m. and promptly slept away the day.
>
> Weary
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "David" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> To: "Bob Cummings" <ellen@clinic.net>, <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [at-l] interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:20:09 -0400
>
> Let me rephrase that:
>
> it works wonderfully IF you meet and if you meet, IF you remember to hand
> off the keys.
>
>
> > "it works wonderfully IF you remember to
> > hand off the keys when you meet."
> >
> > Well. Not always.
> ***
> > We finally talked a forest warden into driving us around. My buddy just
> barely made it to work. I
> > finally greeted my wife about 10 a.m. and promptly slept away the day.
> >
> > Weary
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:00:19 -0400
> From: Chase Davidson <wb4pan@mindspring.com>
> To: "at-l@backcountry.net" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] interesting commute...was"Driving" the AT
>
> YO,
>
> As a safeguard especially in winter, Woodelf and I make it a habit to
> have extra keys made. When hiking in winter with a partner I give them a
> set of keys. When we have two cars (usually located at different
> locations) we each try to have keys for both cars. If either of us must
> abort for whatever reason....Also I keep a key hidden on my car too!
> You can hide a key inside of your car and have to break a window to get
> it and be glad to break that window in an emergency. Better to be
> prepared.
>
> chase
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "Ronald Tilkens \(AT section hiker\)" <gaurkt@hotmail.com>
> To: <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:00:37 -0400
> Subject: [at-l] Fw: Trip Report ( long, Damascus to Erwin, July 22 - 27 )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Ronald Tilkens (AT section hiker)=20
> To: gaurkt@hotmail.com=20
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 3:58 PM
> Subject: Trip Report ( long, Damascus to Erwin, July 22 - 27 )
>
>
> Background/Introduction:
>
> I am a 48 year old male, new to this list within the last 6 - 9 months, =
> who lives in Maryland. Like many, I have had a desire to hike the =
> Appalachian Trail for quite some time. The intensity of this desire has =
> become higher in recent years as i have discovered a love for reading =
> online journals about thru-hikes and trip reports. I have especially =
> enjoyed the collective wisdom, experience ( and humor! ) of this list.
>
> About 95% of my AT hiking experience consists of a single annual trip, =
> from 1994 to 2000, with my three kids ( and one of their friends, at =
> times ), who are presently ages 18, 19, and 20.=20
> My trips with the kids were between 4 and 9 days, and i catered to their =
> desires, usually hiking between 8 and 14 miles a day. We would almost =
> always stop at shelters ( with an occasional motel as a treat ). The AT =
> trips were all in what i have come to realize is the "easier" sections, =
> between Pearisburg, VA., and Penn Mar, Md. All of our family trips =
> hold a very special, indelible memory for me!
>
> This year would be a little different. As of january, my kids are all =
> out of the house, my oldest son is in the Army in Germany, and the =
> younger two had work obligations. I wanted to do a little longer =
> section, and hike more at my own pace, whatever that turns out to be.
>
> * Please note: all mile point references are taken from the 2001 data =
> book
>
> Day one:
>
> Started at 7:25 a.m. and drove from Burtonsville, Md., to Erwin, Tenn. =
> where i had arranged to meet "shuttler extraordinaire" themissjanet. =
> For me, this was more exciting than meeting a famous movie star or =
> politician! Prompt and punctual, she drove me the scenic route to =
> Damascus, passing the trail crossing and described various hikers from =
> her vast experience.=20
> If you read this, thank you once again, miss j, and I feel you will be =
> successful with your new challenges!
>
> The sun was still fairly hot and high as i started up Holston Mountain, =
> about 5:45 p.m. I was pleased to see the mountain laurel blossoms still =
> blooming. At mile 1.9, i stopped at the well-marked blue blaze for the =
> spring, gratified that it was not dry. My goal for that night was =
> Abingdon Gap Shelter,at mile 10. I was carrying two pages "excerpted" =
> from the 2001 data book. I did not ( as in past hikes ) have a copy of =
> the Trail Guide for that region, and was playing my usual game of =
> wondering how fast I was going. Although darkness came noticeably =
> longer ( since i was further west than usual ), i still switched on my =
> headlamp about 9:20 p.m. =20
>
> About 20 minutes later, i was grateful to see a campfire, where I met =
> "Nathan", an 18 year old local youth about to go to sleep. We =
> introduced ourselves, chatted briefly, and settled in for the night. I =
> was glad that i had some company.
>
> Day two:
>
> I awoke at 6:52 a.m., catching up from the previous night's lack of =
> sleep. Nathan lived about 20 miles away and intended to ( literally ) =
> walk home. His folks had dropped him off at Damascus, and like me, he =
> had hiked up to the shelter the previous afternoon. I started at 8:08 =
> a.m., after Nathan. The morning was bright and sunny, in the 80's, as i =
> ascended easy trail over McQueens Knob. I stopped for water frequently, =
> at Low Gap ( good ), at the campsite at mile 19.3 ( excellent ). A =
> little after 1:00, I reached Tenn 91 and stopped for lunch. The water =
> source was less desirable, with trash visible.
>
> Nathan arrived after a while, and inquired about the time. When i =
> informed him that it was about 1:30, he decided to push on home for the =
> night, since he had done from this point until Carvers Gap. We started =
> walking, and he seemed to actually like waiting for me, with my slower =
> pace up hills. Walking and talking with Nathan was great - I felt like =
> i had my own tour guide! Nathan was a gentle spirited young man who had =
> been home schooled, the son of a Mennonite preacher. He pointed out =
> various landmarks as we walked along - Shady Valley, the Nick Grindstaff =
> monument, and Grandfather mountain to the east. Nathan said that the =
> view was one of the best that he had ever seen, and he does this stretch =
> of trail "about once a month". Nathan also mentioned how he especially =
> hated the section of trail north of Neels Gap, and that it was "not like =
> the profile map" ( the second time i had been warned about this stretch =
> ). I was sorry to seem him leave when we reached Turkeypen Gap, mile =
> 28.
>
> I reached my intended campsite shortly after, at mile 29.2, about 5:15, =
> and still bright and sunny. I quickly located the spring ( good water, =
> but a little slow ) and sat down to rest. A small swarm of gnats (?) =
> decided to feast on the line between my left gaiter ( gaiters were a =
> first for this trip ), and a neat little row of bites quickly appeared. =
> I made a small fire, intending to keep the critters at bay, and cooked =
> supper. Since the walking had been fairly easy, and there was nothing =
> to do, i decided to stock up on water and go on to Vandeventer Shelter ( =
> no close water ). I arrived there shortly before dark, enjoying a cool, =
> steady breeze and a view to the eastern mountains that will remain in my =
> mind for quite some time!
>
> Day three:
>
> Woke shortly before dawn, cooked breakfast slowly, and ritualistically =
> consumed my two 6 ounce cups of coffee. I started about 6:12 a.m. - =
> ideal time, for me. I hoped to capitalize on the early morning =
> coolness, stop at Watauga Lake, then at Laurel Falls later in the =
> afternoon or early evening. Despite a pleasant breeze in the early =
> a.m., it became increasingly clear that this day was hotter than the =
> previous. I met two section hiker couples and chatted briefly: one =
> party was doing Erwin to Damascus and the other, Hot Springs to =
> Damascus. The latter party had stayed at Kincora, and confirmed what my =
> body was feeling - the humidity was double what it was the previous day.
>
> Around 10:30, I reached Shook Branch Recreation Area ( thanks to this =
> list, i became aware of the ALDHA online guide ). I paid my $2.00 for =
> the day use fee, and found a tree with some shade. After some time =
> doing the usual sorting and digging through my pack, i was ready for the =
> water. Just as i went in, the sun went behind a cloud. I kept waiting =
> for it to come out, but it never did, and i noticed the clouds growing =
> darker. I had intended to hang out there for quite some time, relax, =
> read, swim, but now thought of "plan B". An 1800' ascent up to Pond =
> Flats was my next objective, so i had lunch, left a little after 12:00, =
> and enjoyed the light drizzle as i traveled on the extremely well graded =
> trail north of the mountain. =20
>
> It rained off and on while i climbed up, over, and down the mountain. =
> The south side had some surprisingly steep descents, made even more =
> interesting in the mud. I was thankful for hiking poles, something i =
> had originally scoffed at, but decided to try due to painful knees. I =
> was greatly looking forward to Laurel Falls, then perhaps Kincora or =
> Laurel Creek Lodge. It became sunny and humid once again as the trail =
> joined what appeared to be an old railroad bed. I stopped for water at =
> Laurel Fork Shelter, a steep, but short, uphill on the blue-blazed high =
> water route. Laurel Falls was all that i had imagined! There were =
> several parties at the falls, including a college-aged section hiker =
> couple from doing Springer to approximately Roanoke, an enviable, big =
> chunk of a section!
>
> I rested, enjoyed several swims, cooked supper, and watched as a brief =
> little deluge poured through the trees and bright sunlight - what a =
> sight! By this time, it was around 5:30 p.m. The data book excerpts =
> showed a campsite at mile 54.2, a little less than 5 miles from here, =
> though it was necessary to climb another couple thousand feet up White =
> Rocks Mountain. A couple miles further was Moreland Gap Shelter ( 56.4 =
> ). Since i was looking forward to exploring early morning and early =
> evening, something that i had not done much previously, i started up the =
> VERY steep trails/stairs that comprise the AT southbound from Laurel =
> Falls, once again joining the former railroad bed. The trail up White =
> Rocks Mtn. was also a pleasant grade, and i was nearly at the top when i =
> heard a crashing sound in the bushes. Looking over to the area, i saw a =
> bear cub hurriedly moving away. I was glad of this, and keeping an eye =
> out for the mother, hurriedly moved on to the top of the mountain, where =
> i stopped at the Fire Tower. Since it was not too hot and still light, =
> i decided to go for the shelter. I saw another small bear cub before =
> reaching the shelter, shortly after 9:00 p.m.
>
> Day four:
>
> Up at 5:01 a.m. to overcast and humid sunless skies. I was worried =
> about the section that i would soon encounter that was "harder than the =
> profile map" - the one Nathan had said that he hated. I had recently =
> read Nimblewill Nomad's book that had described a section in Canada =
> which was very steep, going up and down gorges, that had limited him to =
> his lowest mileage, about 9 miles a day. The trail between Moreland Gap =
> Shelter ( 56.4 ) and Laurel Fork ( 61.5 ) was more difficult than the =
> profile map, but not really the horrible section that i was imagining by =
> this time ( severals days of simmering fear ).=20
>
> I met two section hikers near Walnut Mountain Road that were doing =
> Springer to Damascus and chatted briefly. I lunched briefly at the top =
> of Big Pine Mountain. The downhill into Sugar Hollow was hot and =
> sweaty, and the trail was VERY steep up the south side of the hollow. I =
> met the self-described "last of the NOBOs" near the spot where the AT =
> passes by a grave yard. He was packing a violin as well as the usual =
> gear. I will try to get names next time ( it just occurred to me that =
> many articles on this list mention names, although do section hikers =
> really NOT have trail names most of the time? ).
>
> I crossed U.S. 19E and arrived at Apple House Shelter about 2:45 p.m., =
> and settled in for a nice long break. This was my original destination, =
> but i was looking forward to seeing the balds and Roan Mountain. The =
> skies opened up and it poured for about a half and hour before tapering =
> off to intermittent drips. Since this was the second day of wet feet, i =
> was really being to enjoy giving "da feets" some air for breaks longer =
> than an hour, and removing my muddy gaiters.=20
>
> I cooked an early supper, ate, and started up to Doll Flats, another =
> couple thousand feet higher. The trail was once again well-graded, =
> similar to trail up Pond Flats. Nice job, Tennessee Eastman Hiking =
> Club! ( if this is not correct, someone please let me know who deserves =
> the credit for this fine trail work). I reached Doll Flats ( 73.2 ) a =
> little before 6 p.m., and headed down a longer than usual, but almost =
> flat, trail to the spring. My guide book notes showed a campsite at =
> 76.5, Bradley Gap. I thought Overmountain, 78.9, would be further than i =
> would want to go. Not wanting to stop at 6, by myself, with 3 more =
> hours of light, i left after a 15-20 minute break in a light drizzle. =
> The drizzle soon turned into a steady, soaking rain. As the trail =
> headed toward Hump Mountain, i thought i was back in Pennsylvania - it =
> turned into almost all large rocks/boulders, especially slippery in the =
> rain.=20
>
> I noticed the trees getting smaller and smaller. I rounded a corner and =
> there was the bald of Hump Mountain, hugged by low-lying clouds on =
> either side, stunningly beautiful nonetheless. I donned my cheap rain =
> jacket ( a recent upgrade from my 4 Hefty trash bag system ) and started =
> up and over. The trail was a little more difficult than i had thought - =
> it was narrow, muddy, and difficult to "get a groove going" with my =
> hiking poles. The wind was strong and "pushed back" against me as i =
> ascended, then descended Hump Mountain. I was very happy to finally be =
> on the start of the balds, but looking forward to settling in for the =
> night soon. I was surprised to encounter a herd of what someone told me =
> later were Texas Longhorn cattle - big giants with huge horns. They =
> grudgingly allowed me to stay on the trail. I did not really want to =
> take much of a detour as the surrounding meadows were chest-high with =
> flowers and grasses and by this time, very wet. I was glad i was =
> wearing my rain jacket!
>
> I could see down between the "humps", Hump and Little Hump Mountain, and =
> was trying to guess exactly where the campsite was located. The profile =
> map shows it at the very bottom, but this was obviously not correct ( i =
> am used to the usually small inaccuracies in the profile maps ). I =
> could not see up Little Hump because it was covered with clouds. But =
> into the trees i went, and soon encountered a nice spring. I filled up =
> my water bottles and headed down the trail for what must have been at =
> least two tenths of a mile to the campsite, pitching my tent in light, =
> dripping rain. =20
>
> It really poured around 1:00 a.m., and i discovered that my relatively =
> new bivy could use another round of seam sealer - i didn't quite get all =
> the spots. Between the couple leaks, and my nocturnal bathroom breaks, =
> my tent and synthetic sleeping bag were fairly damp by morning. But i =
> merely wet, not cold.
>
> Day five:
>
> I was surprised to find that i slept until a little before 7:00 - i must =
> have been more tired than i realized, after a couple 23+ days, combined =
> with a couple 4,000+ vertical days ( my method of attempting to measure =
> relatively difficulty of sections ). I slowly did my breakfast thing =
> and packing thing, separating damp/wet items were possible. I traveled =
> the small remaining trail up Little Hump Mountain, reached the top, =
> leaving the trees. The sun was trying to come out, and i soon spied a =
> red barn, which i had heard was Overmountain shelter. The walking was =
> pleasant, and i pushed on to Stan Murray, where I took another "foot =
> break" and tanked up on water. While ascending an occassionally steep =
> trail up to Jane Bald i met a hiker doing another "big section", Fontana =
> to Troutdale.=20
>
> The sun finally emerged just as i came to the top of Jane Bald, with =
> views of Grassy Ridge to the east. The view was so overwhelming that =
> tears came to my eyes, and i paused to thank my "higher power" for =
> allowing me this experience. I enjoyed this stretch, and was interested =
> to see the trail improvements near Round Bald. I was hoping to see =
> "Gray's Lily", having recently purchased a copy of Leonard Adkins' =
> "Wildflowers of the Appalachian Trail" in hopes of learning more about =
> the flowers that i have always enjoyed but been unable to identify. I =
> didn't go off the trail much, but didn't see a Gray's Lily - a little =
> too late, perhaps? ( if anyone knows a little more about them, i would =
> be interested to hear about them ). =20
>
> Carvers Gap was visible, though Roan Mountain was still shrouded in =
> clouds. I stopped at the spring a little to the west of the Carvers Gap =
> parking area ( trail has been slightly relocated between Carvers Gap and =
> Roan Mountain, according to signs. After a brief break and conversation =
> with one of the many persons who confide that they "always wanted to =
> hike the trail", i started up the once again well-graded trail, stopping =
> at Roan Mountain High Knob Shelter for lunch. I explored the loft =
> briefly, swept out the shelter ( something i did at every shelter at =
> which i stopped for breaks or lunch ), took off the boots and gaiters, =
> and had lunch. The skies opened up, and the shelter resonated with the =
> sounds of rain beating on the roof. The windows were open, and the =
> breeze helped to enforce the shelter's reputation as "one of the coldest =
> places in the south". But this is one reason why i had picked the =
> Damascus to Erwin section to do in July - in hopes of escaping some of =
> the summer heat.
>
> It was a little after 2:00 by this time. I headed for Clyde Smith =
> Shelter ( 91.3 ), not really wanting to spend another night in the bivy =
> if possible. I continued near the top of Roan Mountain in fog and mist =
> that limited the visiblity to around 100 feet, though the rain had =
> slowed to an enjoyable, cooling, light drizzle - optimum summer hiking =
> conditions, for me. I passed a party of overnight camper's while =
> descending the VERY steep south side of Roan Mountain headed towards Ash =
> Gap. Though it had been over 25 years since I had hiked about 1/2 of =
> the AT in the White Mountains, the trail made me think of the Whites and =
> my best hiking buddy Gary, due to hike the Whites this same week. Ash =
> Gap was a little dismal in the mud and dampness, and the spring and =
> trail were somewhat farther and steeper than i would have liked, but i =
> was able to get water from the slow trickling spring. I wondered how =
> the spring would be in the drier years, climbed back up to the trail, =
> and descended a more pleasantly graded path/road into Hughes Gap. Once =
> again, the skies opened up and poured as I ascended rather steep, but =
> short trail up Little Rock Knob. I was happy to reach the shelter =
> around 6:00 p.m., my shortest day so far on the trip. =20
>
> For the first time on this trip i was content to stop early, ready to =
> relax, enjoy a leisurely supper, the usual foot magic, and reading the =
> shelter journals ( more often than not, there were no journals at the =
> shelters during this trip for some reason ), and an interest outdoor =
> magazine. I looked at the map and tried to plan the next day, thinking =
> that i could camp at Deep Gap ( 104.3 ) or Beauty Spot Gap ( 105.6 ). I =
> wished i could make it all the way to Curley Maple Gap Shelter ( 112.2 =
> ), but was uncertain about the map profile and the difficulty of the =
> trail. Indeed, one register journalist had commented "I wish i could =
> sue the map makers who created the profile" - not a comment to instill =
> confidence in this hiker! I had tried a little night hiking briefly two =
> years ago, and enjoyed it greatly. I figured i would try to wake up =
> around 4:00, start hiking around 5:00 and this would give me a "boost" =
> toward my goal of the shelter. I fell asleep before dark, around 8:30 =
> p.m. as the rain started to pour for at least the third time that day.
>
> Day six:
>
> I glanced at my watch after waking around 2:00 a.m. for one of my =
> nocturnal bathroom visits. Between drinking 6 - 8 quarts of water and =
> day, and taking a lot of ibuprofen, i found myself needing to take =
> bathroom breaks multiple times during the night. Thinking i would grab =
> another couple hours of sleep, i lay back down, but could not resist the =
> worries about the next day. Around 2:30 a.m., i gave up trying to =
> sleep, had my extra leisurely morning routine with breakfast, packing, =
> and trying to find the spring again. The fog and mist were thick, and =
> visibility was probably only 15 -20 feet. But this actually fit nicely =
> with the range of my headlamp. I found a blue blaze, and the distinct =
> trail down to the spring ( good - very good outflow ), but did not =
> immediately see the side trail back to the A.T. in the diminished =
> conditions.
>
> At 3:52 a.m., i started out with more than a little excitement and fear. =
> I intended to walk slowly and deliberately, but steadily, curious what =
> would be my rate of speed. The next guidebook milepoints were a =
> campsite at 92.4, and Greasy Creek Gap, and 93.2. I wondered if i would =
> recognize the campsites in the dark. This would be my second AT =
> experience of hiking an hour or more, and it was not disappointing! The =
> trail continued gently downhill, with a few brief uphills. Both =
> campsites displayed the now familiar "water" signs that pointed to the =
> springs or water sources. I continued toward Iron Mountain Gap, Tenn. =
> 107, still very dark, still very foggy. I looked to my right and was =
> surprised to see two pair of gleaming, gold eyes about 20 feet away. =
> Hoping they were deer, i continued on. At one point, i heard a sound =
> that i thought was a coyote or mountain lion, but later thought it was =
> an owl. =20
>
> Daylight slowly came between 6:00 and 7:00 - closer to 7:00. Once =
> again, it was overcast and gray, so there was not too much light. But =
> it still was a welcome change from the pitch black of the night. The =
> ascent up Little Bald Knob ( 98.5 ) was especially steep, but thankfully =
> short. I reached Cherry Gap Shelter a little after 9:00 and took a nice =
> long break. The water source was a lot closer than the 250-300 yards, =
> and constant. I studied the profile map for the umpteenth time, =
> realized that Unaka Mountain was the only 1,000+ ascent of the day, and =
> headed off up the well-graded north side of the mountain. It soon began =
> to rain, slowly, but steadily. Guessing that it was going to blow over, =
> i put on my pack cover, but not my rain jacket, continuing up the =
> mountain. =20
>
> Unaka Mountain has a lot of laurels on the north side and an enchanting =
> mix of pines and moss on top, really quite beautiful. By this time, it =
> was raining harder, and i was getting a little cool, and put on the rain =
> jacket. Once again, the descent down the south side of the mountain =
> reinforced what i had read about the Damascus to Erwin section, easier =
> SOBO than NOBO. Near USFS 230, i encountered my first humans in around =
> 26 hours, a 10 - 12 teenage boys with an older male adult. Still =
> raining moderately, i stopped briefly at Deep Gap ( 104.3 ), and hiked =
> on to Beauty Spot Gap. I remember the trail was a veritable river with =
> the rain, and i sympathized with the trail maintainers. I stopped at =
> the gap for water and an abbreviated lunch, since it still was raining =
> slightly. Beauty Spot Gap was inspiring, even in the damp conditions, =
> as flowers and birds were prevalent. A new pain started in my left knee =
> as i left Beauty Spot. I stopped and transferred my still very wet =
> single ace bandage from my right knee to my left knee, and slowly and =
> deliberately descended 1000+ feet, crossing USFS230, heading for Indian =
> Grave Gap. It was after 2:00 p.m., i had lunch in my belly, and i was =
> feeling a little drowsy. I would have loved to stop right by the trail, =
> lean back on my pack, and take a snooze, but the still damp conditions =
> were a deterrent.
>
> I wondered about the trail as i crossed Indian Grave Gap ( 108.1 ) and =
> headed for Curley Maple. Would the "little bumps" of the profile map be =
> like the section between Neels Gap and Moreland Gap? The trail turned =
> out to have very gentle ups and downs. I was treated to some of my =
> first views since Round Bald, looking to the west towards Erwin. I =
> reached Curley Maple Gap Shelter ( 112.2 ) around 4:30 p.m. By this =
> time, i was on a "mission", realizing that the Nolichucky River and my =
> car were "only" 5.2 miles away. After another "foot break", water =
> resupply, i headed down towards the Nolichucky. Once again, the skies =
> just poured, and the trail became a river.
>
> I reached my car a little after 7:00 p.m. I called my wife, told her i =
> was heading home, got some burgers, and headed up the interstate, =
> feeling tired but triumphant. I continued on until i reached the =
> Troutville/Daleville/Cloverdate intersection a little north of Roanoke =
> and i spent the night at the Econolodge, where my son, friend and i had =
> "staged" ourselves prior to last year's section hike between Craig Creek =
> Valley and Pearisburg.
>
> Postlude:
>
> I often fear i am in a little "fantasy world" as i comfortably sit at =
> home and read journals and trip reports year-around, impervious to the =
> outside's hot and cold, wet and dry conditions. I have my own =
> "thru-hiking" aspirations at times, but since circumstances are not =
> right am becoming increasingly content with section hikes. One =
> negative factor was that there was very few hours of sunlight from about =
> 11:00 a.m. on the third day. I knew i was no big fan of rainy wet =
> conditions - indeed, it seems like i have enjoyed a disproportionately =
> high number of dry days during my past trips, so i figure odds are i am =
> due for some rain. I hope to learn how to cope better with the rain, =
> especially with my emotional/mental state. I was somewhat shocked by my =
> intense desire on the sixth day to get back to civilization, my wife =
> whom I married in 1998, and the "creature comforts". Okay, i warned you =
> i can be in a little "fantasy world" at the computer! I was originally =
> going to do Hot Springs to Damascus, but at the insistence of my wife, =
> scaled down my trip. Seems like a good idea in retrospect, but i still =
> would like to try a "multiple weeks" chunk
>
> I do see were a lot of positives from this trip: this was the first =
> longer one by myself, and the planned miles were challenging. I
> absolutely LOVED the comfort of my headlamp, the gaiters, my hiking =
> poles, the esbit stove i used for the first time, the gaiters, the =
> swimming which i always love.
>
> Haven't totaled the numbers yet, but I think it is around 775. Looking =
> forward to many more sections . . .
>
> Ron Tilkens
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 17:18:37 -0500
> To: tjfort@netdoor.com, Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> From: kahley <kahley7@ptd.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> I have really really really really strong opinions about unions but for
the
> life of me,
> I can't figure out how to make it trail related so I think I'll keep my
> opinions to myself......
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:46:10 -0400
> From: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> Reply-To: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] health care
>
> I'm not sure what this debate has to do with the trail, but the simple
fact is that this country
> spends more per person on health care than any other country in
> the world, but we have far from the healthiest people. By every measure --
infant deaths, shorter life
> spans, sick children -- we rank near the bottom of the major industrial
countries.
>
> That suggests to some of us that something is wrong with our system.
Wildbill seems to think that
> such thoughts are held only by "commies." YMMV
>
> Weary
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Reply-To: "RoseMarie/Al Sarra" <rms2aas@earthlink.net>
> From: "RoseMarie/Al Sarra" <rms2aas@earthlink.net>
> To: "Mark Lambert" <m-lambert@mediaone.net>,
<AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Newbie Intro
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:08:14 -0400
>
> Mark Lambert said:
> >My three biggest obstacles (poor choice of words) are my
> > wife and 2 daughters. Can I really leave them behind for 6 months? My
> > youngest is 3 now and will turn 5 while I plan to be on the trail. Is
> > this too unfair for her (or the others)?
>
> Mark,
>
> First the disclaimer. I have not yet hiked end to end. I am not a 2000
> miler. However, that being said, I do have some experience in leaving
> wife/kids for extended periods of time.
>
> Years ago, in the early part of my career when my children were small, I
> would ship out for months at a time. I was often required to be absent
for
> 3 months, 7 months, and one time 13 months without being able see them or
> talk to them. It was probably harder on me - missing their first words,
> their first steps, their dance recitals, losing their first tooth, etc.,
> than it was on them. (I don't want to get maudlin here. I'm just trying
to
> give you my bona fides.)
>
> Anyhow, suffice it to say, as long as your wife is supportive, strong and
> independent - they will not only survive but they will thrive. And, in
> time, they will understand and forgive you. It is up to you to decide
> whether the other side of the equation balances out. Is the hike so
> important to you that you are willing to miss out on those milestones in
> their lives?
>
> I am certain you will receive tons of comment to your question but only
you
> can provide the "from the gut" answers.
>
> Al (Draggin' Anchor) - - who is now trying to reconcile my anticipated
thru
> hike with milestone events in my grandchildren's lives.
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> From: "Clifford R. Haynes" <chaynes@javanet.com>
> To: "Bob Cummings" <ellen@clinic.net>, <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:34:05 -0400
>
> When the campfire is open to all, you get all kinds. Though sometimes
> unplesent the diversity makes for a much more interesting group.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Cummings" <ellen@clinic.net>
> To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
>
>
> > "Kiss off commie," urges Wildbill.
> >
> > Ah, what friendly folks we have around the campfire eating smashmellows.
> >
> > Weary
> >
> >
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> Message: 14
> From: "Clifford R. Haynes" <chaynes@javanet.com>
> To: <tjfort@netdoor.com>, "Bob Cummings" <ellen@clinic.net>
> Cc: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:46:02 -0400
>
> > But, I have a problem with some uneducated workers getting paid 20, 30,
> > 35 $'s an hr. When college grads have to work most of there life for
> > that kind of money.
> >
> Now yah got to give that statement some thought. Are you implying the
> college grad isn't smart enough to do the $20. $30. $35 an hour job. It's
> been my experience that the average college grad isn't making that kind of
> money because they don't want to do the kind of work that pays that kind
of
> money, and a fair percentage of them seem top feel that a college degree
> warrants big bucks for doing nothing.
>
>
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> Message: 15
> From: WHHAWKINS@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:32:47 EDT
> Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> Weary left out part of what I said. Went something like this: Having to
pay
> some fool, so someone can work is UN-AMERICAN!
>
> What I meant to said was: Being FORCED to pay due's to someone, so a
person
> can work is UN-AMERICAN!
>
> I'm tired of him coming on here and calling everyone names. So I called
him.
> He just an ignorant and bigoted old man.
>
> Wiidbill
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2001 6:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> chaynes@javanet.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > When the campfire is open to all, you get all kinds. Though sometimes
> > unplesent the diversity makes for a much more interesting group.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Cummings" <ellen@clinic.net>
> > To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 11:47 AM
> > Subject: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> >
> >
> > > "Kiss off commie," urges Wildbill.
> > >
> > > Ah, what friendly folks we have around the campfire eating
smashmellows.
> > >
> > > Weary
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> From: "David" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> To: <WHHAWKINS@aol.com>, <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:12:41 -0400
>
> Why don't we just sing some Woody Guthrie songs for a while? To be fair
I'd
> suggest some management songs, too, but I don't know any . . . even though
I
> represented management for years . . . by the way, you know what us
> management lawyers say about employers who lose representation elections?
> The employer that must deal with a union deserves it . . .
>
> Sheesh
>
> I really could care less what anybody thinks about unions or management .
.
> . having worked in the trenches of those disputes since the early 80's I
> don't care to revisit them here or on the real trail . . .
>
>
> > Weary left out part of what I said. Went something like this: Having to
> pay
> > some fool, so someone can work is UN-AMERICAN!
> >
> > What I meant to said was: Being FORCED to pay due's to someone, so a
> person
> > can work is UN-AMERICAN!
> >
> > I'm tired of him coming on here and calling everyone names. So I called
> him.
> > He just an ignorant and bigoted old man.
> >
> > Wiidbill
> >
> > In a message dated 8/4/2001 6:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > chaynes@javanet.com writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > When the campfire is open to all, you get all kinds. Though sometimes
> > > unplesent the diversity makes for a much more interesting group.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bob Cummings" <ellen@clinic.net>
> > > To: <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 11:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> > >
> > >
> > > > "Kiss off commie," urges Wildbill.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, what friendly folks we have around the campfire eating
> smashmellows.
> > > >
> > > > Weary
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 17
> From: "Paul Magnanti" <paulmags@netzero.net>
> To: <WHHAWKINS@aol.com>
> Cc: "Appalachian Trail List (E-mail)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:34:44 -0600
>
> On the flip side, unions gave us 40 hr work weeks, holidays, and allowed
> workers to be at a bargaining level equal to the coporations.
>
> The union allowed my grandfather, a man who did not have the fraction of
> the oppurtunities I have, to buy a house and make a better life for his
> children. His father (my great grandad) was 'cheap immigrant labor'
> (interesting to read newspaper from that time period. 'Cheap imigrant
labor'
> is a polite term compared to what I am sure most people called him...)
that
> could be taken advantage of because the unions were not the factor they
> would be a generation later.
>
> The unions allowed people working hard to get a fair wage for their
skills.
>
> Unions are not perfect. (I think they have gotten rather greedy in recent
> years). But they provide a system of checks and balances that is needed.
>
> But, I think I am well off topic at this point, so I think I'll shut my
yap
> after this post. :-)
>
>
>
>
>
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> *****************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible... a little star-dust caught, a
> segment of the rainbow which I have clutched.
> --Thoreau
>
>
>
>
> >
>
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> Message: 18
> From: "Paul Magnanti" <paulmags@netzero.net>
> To: "'David'" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> Cc: "Appalachian Trail List (E-mail)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: RE: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:35:10 -0600
>
> JEEP? (Just Empty Every Pocket. :-) )
>
>
> I used to own an '87 Jeep (aka The Blue Beast), my two buddies owned an
'83
> and an '85. We used to take turns giving each other rides to our
mechanic.
> Except for the one time Eddie (the mechanic) had all three of the jeeps at
> once. I learned more about auto repair than I had ever known from
owning
> one. ("Tim...this is Paul...want to help me put in a new alternator?"
Which
> translated to: I made the coffee while Tim showed me how to install an
> alternator :) )
>
> Ah..the memories. The transmission going on I-93 in New Hampshire, the
head
> gasket blowing on the Mass Pike (a month before my thru-hike mind
> you!!!!!!). Of course, nothing can beat that the fact my buddy Leo knew
the
> AAA flat bed, tow truck driver on a first name basis.
>
> (And the local auto parts place knew the three of us by face..)
>
>
> AND one month after Tim sold his Jeep, the REBUILT engine blew.... (Tim is
> the Jeep owner king: three engines, two transmission.)
>
> Between Leo, Tim and myself we probably put Eddie's kid through
college....
>
>
>
> Yep...there is a reason why driving a Jeep is like being part of a club.
:-)
>
>
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> *****************************************
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> segment of the rainbow which I have clutched.
> --Thoreau
>
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> Message: 19
> From: "David" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> To: "Paul Magnanti" <paulmags@netzero.net>
> Cc: "Appalachian Trail List \(E-mail\)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:37:15 -0400
>
>
>
> > JEEP? (Just Empty Every Pocket. :-) )
>
> How about a Ranger pick up . . . I hear their making gobs of the them and
> they're trying to give 'em away for an average gas bill monthly payment .
.
> .
>
>
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:34:55 -0400
> From: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> Reply-To: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re[6]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
>
> For what it's worth, I was a member of unions for most of my working life.
I'm surely ignorant about
> many things, and some might think me old. But I have picked up a bit of
knowledge about unions over
> the years. I was a member of a local that first successfully ousted the
Teamsters back in the days
> when the evidence was overwhelming that they were controlled by mobsters.
>
> I was what some union folks call a "freeloader" for two years when I
suspected the union was really
> a fraud controlled by the company and thus refused to join. I served for
22 years on the executive
> committee of the union at the last company I worked for.
>
> Like everything in this world, unions do good things and occasionally bad
things. To condemn all
> unions for the unwise things some occasionally do is like condemning all
hikers because a few are slobs and
> jerks. The problem, of course, is that the jerk unions get all the
publicity. I know I worked for
> the news media for 35 years. We rarely reported "good" news.
>
> Working people who want a real voice in the places where they work are
silly in my opinion not to
> seek out and join responsible unions. That opinion may make me bigoted.
But it doesn't make me an un
> American commie -- and anyone who thinks so is wrongheaded, or maybe just
ignorant and dumb.
>
> Weary
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:02:46 EDT
> From: RussDade@aol.com
> To: <hike-usa@msn.com>
> Cc: <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: [at-l] Quit-smoking hike in Georgia
>
>
> I haven't heard anything about the Quit smoking hike Labor day week, or
received answers to my email about it since Pittsburgh stopped posting on
AT-L.
> If anyone has heard any news about the hike (whether it's on or off), let
me know. If it's off, I need to make other plans for the holiday (and
quickly).
>
> Russ
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 22:15:38 -0500
> From: "t." <tjfort@netdoor.com>
> Reply-To: tjfort@netdoor.com
> To: David <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> CC: Paul Magnanti <paulmags@netzero.net>,
> "Appalachian Trail List (E-mail)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
>
> how about a NISSAN truck! in a yr or two, they will be made right here
> in madison county MS!!
>
> Or a Mercedes SUV. made just south of Birmingham, ALA.!
>
> so, what were their guide lines anyway? made in the usa by us labor.
> or made by a us company?
>
> why not just buy a harley !?!
>
> David wrote:
> >
> > > JEEP? (Just Empty Every Pocket. :-) )
> >
> > How about a Ranger pick up . . . I hear their making gobs of the them
and
> > they're trying to give 'em away for an average gas bill monthly payment
. .
> > .
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:47:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alexis Geiter <spork_2002@yahoo.com>
> To: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] (no subject)
>
> All right, I'm going to sound stupid, but I'm trying
> to get some help with a trip I'm planning. I'm taking
> a group of 13-17 yr old Girl Scouts on the AT in two
> years. Any sage words of wisdom? I have a basic idea
> of what I want to do, but I still need a little help.
> Thanks!
>
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> Message: 24
> From: KarenS62@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:51:34 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] (no subject)
> To: spork_2002@yahoo.com, AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2001 11:49:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> spork_2002@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > I'm taking
> > a group of 13-17 yr old Girl Scouts on the AT in two
> > years. Any sage words of wisdom? I have a basic idea
> >
>
> How about you outline your plan here, and then we can all pick it apart?
:)
> Seriously though, its easier to give "sage" advice , if we know what you
are
> plannign and where.
>
> POG
>
>
>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+
> "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't
> do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bow lines. Sail away from
> the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
> Discover." Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 25
> From: KarenS62@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:04:56 EDT
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] New gear report...
>
> I went out shopping today with my nephews. They moved to Charlotte this
> weekend and I drove over to relieve them of the type of boredom that only
10
> and 12 year olds can experience.
>
> One of the "chores" I needed to get completed was the purchase of a pack
for
> them to share. One of the problems I was encountering is that the oldest
is
> a swimmer and has the tiniest waist I have ever seen on a kid. He also
> hasn't gotten the growth spurt that his dad didn't get til he turned 16.
So
> my dilemma was, how do I find a pack that fits, doesn't weigh 8 pounds and
> can grow when his genes kick in. After much trying on of packs, we settled
on
> the Kelty Trekker External - it's the women's model (shhhh - I took the
tag
> off before he noticed) and is 3900ci . Manufacturer's weight is 4 lbs 9
> ounces - a bit larger and a bit heavier than I originally wanted, but when
he
> tried this particular pack on after trying on almost a dozen other
internal
> and external frame packs he said "This feels great!" So, I opted for
comfort
> over the saving of a few ounces. I guess if I live by that theory
personally,
> I should stick by it for him too. He walked around the store with 9
pounds
> of Coleman fuel in the pack for quite a while and was happy as a clam.
Don't
> see any reason why we will ever have him carrying more than that so that
> should be good. Now to figure out a weekend when he will be free- he's
busier
> than I am!
>
> Life is very, very good.
>
> POG
>
>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+
> "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't
> do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bow lines. Sail away from
> the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
> Discover." Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 26
> From: "David" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> To: <RussDade@aol.com>, <hike-usa@msn.com>
> Cc: <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Quit-smoking hike in Georgia
> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:10:43 -0400
>
> Russ, this is an important hike for me. With or without Pittsburg, I'm
> hiking from Springer for 9 or 10 days and coming back a nonsmoker. I have
my
> new employer's blessing to do this only 10 days or so after my first day
at
> work . . .
>
> > I haven't heard anything about the Quit smoking hike Labor day week, or
> received answers to my email about it since Pittsburgh stopped posting on
> AT-L.
> > If anyone has heard any news about the hike (whether it's on or off),
let
> me know. If it's off, I need to make other plans for the holiday (and
> quickly).
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 27
> From: "David" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> To: <tjfort@netdoor.com>
> Cc: "Paul Magnanti" <paulmags@netzero.net>,
> "Appalachian Trail List \(E-mail\)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:14:12 -0400
>
> I haven't seen their list or definition, yet; but there's a bunch of what
> we'd think were foreign which are made in the USofA or Canada. And some of
> what we would consider "American made" which aren't. I'll check before I
> buy. But I like the Harley idea best . . .
>
>
>
> > how about a NISSAN truck! in a yr or two, they will be made right here
> > in madison county MS!!
> >
> > Or a Mercedes SUV. made just south of Birmingham, ALA.!
> >
> > so, what were their guide lines anyway? made in the usa by us labor.
> > or made by a us company?
> >
> > why not just buy a harley !?!
> >
> > David wrote:
> > >
> > > > JEEP? (Just Empty Every Pocket. :-) )
> > >
> > > How about a Ranger pick up . . . I hear their making gobs of the them
> and
> > > they're trying to give 'em away for an average gas bill monthly
payment
> . .
> > > .
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AT-L mailing list
> > > AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/at-l
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> > AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Message: 28
> From: "Clifford R. Haynes" <chaynes@javanet.com>
> To: "Paul Magnanti" <paulmags@netzero.net>,
> "'David'" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> Cc: "Appalachian Trail List \(E-mail\)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:39:30 -0400
>
> Strange, I have been driveing Jeep CJs since 1976, The 79 CJ7 I used
really
> hard, back and forth from Rumford, Maine to Plymouth, Mass every weekend (
> only took over 4 hours twice in 2 and a half years and I left Plymouth at
> 4pm Friday afternoons. Ran the dunes on the cape durring the week, and
hit
> the mud runs in Sanford on Sundays on the way back to Plymouth. The 79 had
> close to 300K miles on it when I traded it for a new Ranger in 83 which
> lasted 2 years. My current primary ride is an 85 CJ7 with 260K and change,
> this one isn't as tough as the 79 was, I had to rebuild the engine 10K
ago,
> and replaced the starter anout 3 K ago. I have a friend that puts on 100k
a
> year, he has been useing Cherokees for the last 8 years he gets 200k miles
> with nothing but routine maint. and gets a new one at 200K
> Maybe it's the pot holes up here in Maine that make Jeeps last here.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Magnanti" <paulmags@netzero.net>
> To: "'David'" <dfaddleton@mindspring.com>
> Cc: "Appalachian Trail List (E-mail)" <at-l@backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 8:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
>
>
> > JEEP? (Just Empty Every Pocket. :-) )
> >
> >
> > I used to own an '87 Jeep (aka The Blue Beast), my two buddies owned an
> '83
> > and an '85. We used to take turns giving each other rides to our
> mechanic.
> > Except for the one time Eddie (the mechanic) had all three of the jeeps
at
> > once. I learned more about auto repair than I had ever known from
> owning
> > one. ("Tim...this is Paul...want to help me put in a new alternator?"
> Which
> > translated to: I made the coffee while Tim showed me how to install an
> > alternator :) )
> >
> > Ah..the memories. The transmission going on I-93 in New Hampshire, the
> head
> > gasket blowing on the Mass Pike (a month before my thru-hike mind
> > you!!!!!!). Of course, nothing can beat that the fact my buddy Leo knew
> the
> > AAA flat bed, tow truck driver on a first name basis.
> >
> > (And the local auto parts place knew the three of us by face..)
> >
> >
> > AND one month after Tim sold his Jeep, the REBUILT engine blew.... (Tim
is
> > the Jeep owner king: three engines, two transmission.)
> >
> > Between Leo, Tim and myself we probably put Eddie's kid through
> college....
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep...there is a reason why driving a Jeep is like being part of a club.
> :-)
> >
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > *****************************************
> > The true harvest of my life is intangible... a little star-dust caught,
a
> > segment of the rainbow which I have clutched.
> > --Thoreau
> >
> >
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> Message: 29
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 02:24:44 -0400
> From: Jan Leitschuh <janl2@mindspring.com>
> Organization: Jan Leitschuh Sporthorses Ltd.
> To: at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [at-l] Sure-Thing Hitchiking
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just spent yesterday with a friend who just got back from her AT
> Thru-hike, she did it with her 2 boys, who turned 13 and 16 on the Trail
> (the latter, in sight of Katadhin!)
> Trail Names: Mother Goose and the Rockets. May, was she lit from within!
> She looks great, clear-eyed and VERY happy.
>
> Anyway, I went to pick her up in my Subaru, and she commented that
> drivers of two classes of cars picked them up WAY more than anyone else.
> Those were Subaru owners, and also Saab owners. Dodge trucks were third,
> but a more distant third.
>
> How about that? Why would this be, (other than the fact that I drive a
> Subaru and am clearly a soft touch). Anybody have any onservations on
> "likely" hitching cars?
>
> > Solidarity: I gotsta get me an AMERICAN made automobile and show proof
>of it before I can start on the 20th of August . . . I'm looking for an
> > OLD jeep . . . I'll trade for shuttles!
> Sorry David, tell those autoworkers to shape up and start packing hikers
> around!
>
> Best,
> JanL
>
>
>
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> Message: 30
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 05:42:56 -0500
> To: RussDade@aol.com, <hike-usa@msn.com>
> From: kahley <kahley7@ptd.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Quit-smoking hike in Georgia
> Cc: <at-l@backcountry.net>
>
> At 11:02 PM 8/4/01 -0400, RussDade@aol.com wrote:
> >since Pittsburgh stopped posting on AT-L.
>
> Poor Pittsia's Puter puked......was or is in shop.
> He lost everything...............so when it comes home
> he has to do some serious reinstalling.
>
> But the last time we spoke of the hike, he was seriously buying
> gear and basically in counting down the days mode.
>
> I'll give him a dingaling tonite or tomorrow and see if
> there has been a change
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> Message: 31
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 06:26:38 -0500
> To: <at-l@backcountry.net>
> From: kahley <kahley7@ptd.net>
> Subject: JEEP was RE: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
>
> At 06:35 PM 8/4/01 -0600, Paul Magnanti wrote:
>
> >JEEP? (Just Empty Every Pocket. :-) )
> >
> >
> >I used to own an '87 Jeep (aka The Blue Beast), my two buddies owned an
'83
> >and an '85. We used to take turns giving each other rides to our
mechanic.
>
> Ha!!!! so it wasn't just me. Around '73, I had a Jeep Jeepster.....really
> a true
> convertible Jeep.....COOL vehicle. At that time I also owned a 63
Corvair.....
> also a very cool thing. Why would one person need to have two cars?
> Cause one of them was a Jeep!
>
> Every couple weeks, the Jeep would get sick and I got tired of finding
> a ride from and two the shop. Soooo...I just kept the Corvair at the
shop,
> and when the Jeep went in to get fixed what ever broke that week, I just
> swapped out my gear and was on my way....When the Jeep was better, I
> moved my gear back to the Jeep and parked the 'Vair.
>
> While cool, the Jeep was a pain in the pocket but it died saving my life.
> Some kid in an old Olds clipped a couple walkers on a mountain road,
> swerved across center and hit me almost head on. If I'd been driving
> something less solid, I'd probably be dead so it was worth every penny
> I pumped into it.
>
> BTW....when the insurance settlement came in, I ordered a new Jeep.
> Back then it was a real trip! When I thought I had the big decisions
behind
> me. like model and color, the salesman asked, "would you like doors with
that?
> And how about seats? It comes with two, would you like more? And what
> were you thinking of in a roof?" What a hoot! Something went wrong with
> the company at that time and there was a serious delay in delivery. After
> six months with no Jeep in sight, I cancelled the order and bought 12
acres
> and a home instead.
>
> Definitely a turning point....
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> Message: 32
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 07:31:38 -0400
> To: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> From: Bruce Calkins <bcalkins@disaster-relief.net>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Sure-Thing Hitchiking
>
> My own experiments were focused more as to what attracted the drivers to
> stop. As a lot of my hitching in the past was just to get to the trail,
> some of my data was skewed by the "normal" drivers rather than the
> trail/hiking exposed. The best formula was; Clean shaven, neat neutral to
> dark clothing, tidily packed backpack and a neon pink hat. The wide
> variety of people and their life stories will always be among my treasured
> memories. I have yet to try to hitch with my dog, so I have no idea how
> that will work. I don't remember many Subarus, and don't even remember
> any Saabs at all. The older "American" cars were the more common, with a
> heavy sprinkle of pickup trucks. New cars were few and the only new
luxury
> car was my first exposure to a person of "alternative" life style. A
> concept I was totally unprepared for, as a youth of 18, back in the early
'70s.
> Black Wolfe
>
>
> >Anyway, I went to pick her up in my Subaru, and she commented that
> >drivers of two classes of cars picked them up WAY more than anyone else.
> >Those were Subaru owners, and also Saab owners. Dodge trucks were third,
> >but a more distant third.
> >
> >How about that? Why would this be, (other than the fact that I drive a
> >Subaru and am clearly a soft touch). Anybody have any onservations on
> >"likely" hitching cars?
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 05:15:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nina Baxley <infpeace@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Sure-Thing Hitchiking
> To: Bruce Calkins <bcalkins@disaster-relief.net>
> Cc: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> I don't remember any Subarus or Saabs, but I do
> remember a lot of trucks. I hitched with a variety of
> people, nearly all of them men (a guy friend I hiked
> with said he only got picked up by
> women--interesting).
>
> Once when I was hitchhiking in Yellowstone, the people
> who picked me up happened to be visiting the Park from
> Louisiana. They lived off of Coursey Blvd. in Baton
> Rouge, which is about 1 mile from where I went to
> school. Now that was weird, to be picked up by a
> "local" Louisiana person while hitching in northwest
> Wyoming!!
>
> Nina
>
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> Message: 34
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 08:40:40 -0400
> From: Chase Davidson <wb4pan@mindspring.com>
> To: kahley <kahley7@ptd.net>
> CC: hike-usa@msn.com, at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Quit-smoking hike in Georgia
>
> Hey,
>
> Be sure and tell him Someone was interested in HATT. I forget who but
> someone was volunteering to help :-) maybe they will organize it.
>
> chase
>
> kahley wrote:
> >
> > At 11:02 PM 8/4/01 -0400, RussDade@aol.com wrote:
> > >since Pittsburgh stopped posting on AT-L.
> >
> > Poor Pittsia's Puter puked......was or is in shop.
> > He lost everything...............so when it comes home
> > he has to do some serious reinstalling.
> >
> > But the last time we spoke of the hike, he was seriously buying
> > gear and basically in counting down the days mode.
> >
> > I'll give him a dingaling tonite or tomorrow and see if
> > there has been a change
> >
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> Message: 35
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 08:58:56 -0400
> From: Chase Davidson <wb4pan@mindspring.com>
> To: Alexis Geiter <spork_2002@yahoo.com>
> CC: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] groups LNT was(no subject)
>
> Alexis,
>
> First thing is learn LNT. There are regulations adopted by some
> National Forests concerning group size for day hikes, camping and
> shelter areas. Often it is necessary to split a large group in half and
> perhaps meet at a group camping area. That's just one small part of LNT.
> If you are involved with scouts you already have access to this info.
> The ATC is a good place to get info too.
> If you already practice LNT then good for you! Often I have met groups
> that are way to large or they leave trash or worse yet they leave the
> area with hot beds of coals still in there campfire circle. Occasionally
> I have the pleasure to meet a group that is far better at LNT than I am.
> I take notes and try to learn from them.
> In the Jefferson National Forest regulations state "no group larger
> than 10 people shall enter the forest. "No group larger than 6 people
> shall approach the shelter area's."
>
>
> chase
>
>
>
> Alexis Geiter wrote:
> >
> > All right, I'm going to sound stupid, but I'm trying
> > to get some help with a trip I'm planning. I'm taking
> > a group of 13-17 yr old Girl Scouts on the AT in two
> > years. Any sage words of wisdom? I have a basic idea
> > of what I want to do, but I still need a little help.
> > Thanks!
> >
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> Message: 36
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 09:10:13 -0400
> From: Steve Landis <landis@epix.net>
> To: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>, at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Re[4]: [at-l] EVERYBODY: This land is your land . . .
>
> After my first two years of college, I served an apprenticeship with
> the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of "AMERICA",
> eventually earning Journeyman status.
>
> (Sidebar: The trade unions are typically "exclusive" meaning you must
> apply, test for, be accepted, and successfully complete an
> apprenticeship - usually 4 years - before achieving journeyman status.
> This is in contrast to most manufacturing and service related unions
> which are "inclusive" meaning you need to belong to work there.)
>
> I would not be able to do as good a job as director of facility
> management for a multi-facility healthcare company today, had it not
> been for the skills, work habits and commitment to a job well done that
> I learned from my union experience. I sometimes refer to those days as
> "when I earned an honest living with my hands"
>
> But that's just me, hell I lived on a commune once too. But Wildbill
> knows what the communal life experience is like too, being retired
> military. Sleeping, eating, working, Hiking (note on-topic reference)
> together for a common purpose...and then there's the benefits...oops
> ducking, they don't call him Wildbill for nothing.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> Bob Cummings wrote:
> >
> > "Kiss off commie," urges Wildbill.
> >
> > Ah, what friendly folks we have around the campfire eating smashmellows.
> >
> > Weary
>
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>
> Message: 37
> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:25:12 -0400
> From: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> Reply-To: Bob Cummings <ellen@clinic.net>
> To: at-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re[2]: [at-l] Sure-Thing Hitchiking
>
> During the Korean War for three months I was stationed at an Army Testing
facility in the desert of
> southern Arizona. Yuma was 35 miles to south. The nearest town to the
north was 60 miles away.
>
> About eight miles from the base was a small fishing camp on the Colorado
River that sold cold beer.
> On days off I would walk the
> eight miles across the desert, drink a couple of brews and then walk back,
exploring the desert
> plants, rocks and searching for "sidewinders" (desert rattlesnakes)each
way.
>
> One day an old guy in a Jeep pulled up and offered me a ride, which was a
bit of surprise because I was
> hiking across country and there was no road in miles as far as I knew.
>
> Well, we got talking about autumn in the desert as compared to the east.
It soon developed we were
> both from Maine. He had lived as a boy in a
> house a tenth of a mile from the house where I was born and grew up -- and
had dated my
> mother when she was going to high school.
>
> Weary
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 38
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 09:52:16 -0400
> From: Steve Landis <landis@epix.net>
> To: Chase Davidson <wb4pan@mindspring.com>, kahley <kahley7@ptd.net>,
> at-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Quit-smoking hike in Georgia
>
> That was me, but I just asked if he needed any help. I was going to
> volunteer you. ;)
>
> Steve - who actually would be glad to help
>
> Chase Davidson wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > Be sure and tell him Someone was interested in HATT. I forget
who but
> > someone was volunteering to help :-) maybe they will organize it.
>
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>
> Message: 39
> From: DaRedhead@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:12:38 EDT
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Sure-Thing Hitchiking
> To: AT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> In a message dated 8/5/01 6:31:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> bcalkins@disaster-relief.net writes:
>
>
> > . I have yet to try to hitch with my dog, so I have no idea how that
will
> > work.
>
> Mom had a Jeep Cherokee, so we never hesitated to pick up hikers with dogs
> :-). I guess everyone's experience of a vehicle is peculiar to the
> individual vehicle, not the brand. She never had a thing go wrong in all
her
> years of Jeep owning - while every car I've owned, even the new ones,
seemed
> to be in the shop a large majority of time. (Maybe cars are just allergic
to
> me??) Her, all she ever did was regular maintenance, and got over 200k
out
> of every one - and when it came time to trade for a new one, the value of
the
> Jeep was always still high. Go figure.
>
> The Redhead
>
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