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[at-l] Elitism, Wilderness & Through*Hikers
OB wrote:
<< << By no definition can one suggest that through*hiking (registered
> trademark?) is even a substantial minority of the trail's use.
> Please
> go back and read some history on McKaye's work and Avery's work. The
> trail is still serving the main groups that were targeted - casual
> hikers out for a break from civilization. It isn't wilderness. It
> isn't
> an alpine or Arctic expedition. It is a challenging groomed trail
> within
> a few hours drive of 75% of the country than even little old ladies
> and
> some disabled folks can use.
>
*** I replied:
Not true. If viewed only by percentage this would appear
> accurate,
> but it is a deliberately skewed statistic. It is like saying major
> league
> players are a vast minority of all ball players. True, but they don't
> put the
> others on the air or have a World Series for them. Please don't reply
> with
> that elitism response, that isn't the way I meant it.
> Your reference to MacKaye & Avery is very important to my
> attempt at
> explaining traditionalism or AT theme etc. OB, I really wish I could
> make a
> shot on AT*L at simply explaining my opinion on a very fragile
> concept of AT
> existence as I interpret it without being a large target being
> dragged over a
> field of flame shooters.
> What you say is true, but through*hiking (or long distance
> hiking) has
> come to replace the long term enclave residencies intended by
> MacKaye. These
> people are exposed the longest to AT wilderness and have become the
> replacements for those persons who would have occupied the
> self*sufficent
> communities. That MacKaye's original concept was compromised from the
> start
> all the way to now is not unknown. I feel that those who force the
> scenario
> back down to majority of non*ideological corridor users are ones who
> are
> doing their best to avoid living up to a higher Trail purpose.
> Even worse, it is my reading in between the lines that leads me
> to
> believe that wise MacKaye really wanted to preserve large tracts of
> land for
> the sake of greenways. He needed to have a reason to put people in
> there
> because back then just preserving land for wilderness sake in the
> East would
> be laughed down or quickly dismissed. He knew that modern man,
> according to
> his own understanding and what he would buy or reject in philosophy
> or
> politics, would never consent to leaving large mountain tracts
> unresourced
> for one purpose or the other. So, the mountain retreat needed to fill
> a need
> or serve a social purpose. From reading MacKaye, it is clear the vast
>
> undisturbed tracts were the real prize, and seeing how rare they are
> today,
> and the problems we face with world environment, it is clear he was a
>
> visionary. That this key imperative is just another post for deletion
> amongst
> the Trail interested is a tragedy. It even was for MacKaye back then
> too.
> That is my purpose in these posts is to try and impress the critical
> higher
> purpose the Trail represents today in relation to this history or
> tradition.
> I feel too many don't even realize or care what the Trail stands for
> in this
> regard. If not the Trail, then what? When you reduce the Trail's
> definition
> to majority usership you discard all this precious background and
> reduce the
> Trail to a national campground. From its birth it's more than that and
deserves to be respected for it.
>
> OB: The millions who use our trail each year may admire
through*hikers,
> but
> most share Avery's disbelief and his certainty that such folks are
> pretty much "out there." This is raw elitism to claim that
> through*hiking is the central use of our trail, that standards are
> to
> be maintained, and that some website out of Hot Springs possesses
> credibility over these issues. This isn't promoting true or false
> propaganda (propaganda only became a dirty word in the past 60
> years).
> Your elitism is only patently absurd.
>
> *** Once again, through*hiking is happening out there believe it or
> not.
> Strictly denying its importance for the sake of other
> users only
> detracts from a greater involvement and higher experience in AT
> existence.
> Shelters are spaced at through*hiking intervals, services have
> cropped up
> catering to long distance use, etc etc. To reduce this phenomenon to
> a
> definition of elitism is to ignore a wonderful sub*culture of AT
> wilderness
> inhabitants immersed in the furthest definition of AT existence. This
> need
> not exclude other types of users, but don't use this as an excuse to
> not try
> and establish some sort of desirable wilderness ethic amongst those
> furthest
> involved. It is obvious that through*hiking has evolved from Avery's
> day and
> it is not as weird now to hike for 5 months as it was then. With this
> in mind
> I assert that there are certain immutable standards determinable by
> almost
> anyone who can pick up the torch of wilderness attempted by MacKaye.
> This is
> not in relation to Hot Springs, but to what the Trail was intended to
> be
> mostly by its formulator MacKaye. You can refer to Avery's cynicism,
> but
> remember he would not have been out there if not for MacKaye.
> "Most" also believe in the slow attrition of wild lands and
> development
> into the hills. To quote the general public in regard to the AT is to
> take
> the side of those who the Trail was designed to counter. The Trail is
> there
> only to keep the common understanding of the status quo from building
> up over
> EVERYTHING according to their understanding. You can see the views of
> those
> who think through*hikers are "out there" in the anti*Trail comments
> from
> ignorant citizens in the Saddleback commentary. This is why I post.
> Elitism?
>
> OB: I do not understand your motives in attempting to paint HYOH as a
> licensuous barbarian rabble pillaging and plundering countryside and
> village. There are far many more correct ways than the One True Way,
> whether dictated from Hot Springs, Harper's Ferry, Washington,
> Atlanta
> or some other little place. Western Civilization will not end based
> on
> the latest tantrum of an AT drama queen. You might enjoy the trail
> more
> if you consider the smashmellow in your hand, and chew on it for a
> while.
>
> *** Simply because HYOH, when used to go no further into AT
> involvement,
> is a replacement of higher wilderness responsibility and a false
> ideal. The
> "one true way" comes not from Hot Springs, but from the AT itself
> where
> nature determines what is fit for her. Trail behavior should always
> conform
> to a pre*existing respect for that in regard to the larger project.
> Just as
> well, a campfire should not be used as the one true AT ideal and
> equally
> should not be used to stifle persons trying to impress a higher AT
> ideal. A
> campfire is pretty harmless, but when it is used as the ultimate
> Trail symbol
> it can serve to prevent greater Trail achievements from happening by
> making
> everyone stay put. The original project had some very
> valid
> goals that are even more applicable today. It should be sustained and
> carried
> on with equal ambition.
> I hate to see these posts ridiculed because I feel they are
> critical to
> the Trail and should be in the minds of those on her. This is even
> more
> important as the numbers attracted to the Trail start to change its
> appearance.
> >>