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[at-l] Flame Response : Cliff
In a message dated 6/22/01 9:17:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
respond and inflame those who maintain the belief that you are either
insecure or ill-informed. Those who attempt to engage you regarding the
process and history of events are ignored. Sir, you are a bully.
*** I almost take that as a complement. But I temper it with the fact
that certain other AT*L residents are allowed to freely go off with very
little comment from others. If I'm guilty of undercutting my points by
descending to a lower level of debate, I apologize. I see, however, very
little mention of the free for all of hacks permitted in response. This
digresses badly though, you're right.
I find it somewhat amusing that I am accused of ignoring the challenge.
It appears to me similar to the protestations of proof that went unanswered
by the demander regarding WF's input. Pleas to let it go accompanied by
requests for elaboration. What about that method? Yes, I am aware of the
responsibility I hold to now flesh out what I stuck myself out for in this
topic. I was waiting for things to calm down so people could just read what I
sincerely believe to be important vs all involvement's with the Trail. This
is not in heated response to the opponents, but just plain AT talk take it or
<You understand exactly that the issue has nothing to do with whether WF
advocates effectively for the AT or not. You understand that the issue
involves mercurial, bizarre and autocratic behavior that has saddened many
who have called WF "friend." It does WF no service to defend or attack his
grandiosity, as he is not able to hear such comments however they are
voiced. It also serves the AT community poorly to have such divisiveness
inflamed and maintained by this continuing drama. I think that WF serves a
useful purpose but falls short of his potential, alienating those who could
use his drive for leadership. I marvel at the thought of what could be
accomplished if WF and others could share the stage.
*** Ah, not accurate to the record again. If you read back you will see
that many made some pretty clear challenges to WF's effectiveness. So much so
that they questioned whether he had any effect at all. Not honest on either
WF draconianism is infamous, but, to be honest with you, the more I attend
AT*L the more I understand it. I try and look past that for the Trail's sake
and ask where there exists another site that responds in such a way? AT*L
seems willing to let that (and gains like a 3 million dollar tract) go in
order to satisfy personal objections.
As you understand exactly well that in this scenario maybe it is a good
thing for the Trail to have someone who cuts through all this paralyzing muck
of conflicting opinions in order to get things done. I honestly would prefer
a "dictator" who makes the attempt to save vast acreage's for the Trail than
a friendly group tolerating contrasting opinions. Not the best of all worlds,
but productive and clearly aimed.
I guess we'll never know what would have come from such a coalition.
Perhaps Wingfoot's response to this withdrawal of support is to make his
traditional site more of a one*way educational forum instead of compromising
to community pressure. I agree about the drama being counterproductive. I
also submit that trying to divest a site that has made gains for the Trail is
also counterproductive in the same light. What Trailplace does has a place in
the AT universe simply by default.
*** Some of that "blather" is the same substance from which the Trail was
born. It's a shame so few see a need to live up to it now a days. Many have
asked what my problem was that I keep this thread going? I guess what I have
written would be the answer. I think it is important to understand why WF
does what he does even if many don't really care to know anyway. I suppose he
censors because he asks you either to get with his program or leave. He
doesn't allow the chance for his opinions to gain the contempt mine have
through this "process" you speak of. Some would call this fascism, I would
probably (forgive me) tell them to go look at AT*L if you want to see the
Thank You for your response "OB"