Cover or Coverless [at-l] the Kelty Flight 60

[lwbooher@halifax.com (Leslie Booher)]

Innate holes: the little holes that are born in the bottoms of most of the
plastic shopping bags (what I think of as Wal-Mart bags) during manufacture.
More have holes in the bottom than don't.  So there!  <G>  Leslie
(anklebear)

-----Original Message-----
From: Orange Bug <orangebug74@yahoo.com>
To: Leslie Booher <lwbooher@halifax.com>; FurTrappers@webtv.net
<FurTrappers@webtv.net>; W F Thorneloe <thornel@attglobal.net>
Cc: at-l <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Cover or Coverless [at-l] the Kelty Flight 60


>Double bagging can help, and has worked for some quick and dirty bear
>bagging for me. The condensation problem is exactly why the grocery
>sacks are good for the end of the sleeping bag, the water runs off, but
>vapors from my grubby feet are free to polute the ozone layer.
>
>Now the garbage sacks do have a good place in you pack. Should you fall
>in a river or somehow get yourself and everything else wet and cold, a
>large garbage sack or 2 may save your life. Get out of your wet clothes
>and climb into the bag, preferably without closing the top over your
>head. Otherwise, it becomes a body bag rather than an emergency shelter
>and reheating booth. You could possibly use such as garbage bag as a
>vapor barrier sleeping bag liner, by keeping it near your skin and not
>allowing sweat to condense into the sleeping bag fill material.
>
>I also like the ziplock bags. David Addleton turned me onto the very
>strong bags they sell at The Container Store and similar places. These
>are sturdier than even the stand up ziplocks, with much more robust
>zippers. In general, I find a 1 or 2 quart bag is large enough for a
>day's food, prepack into these, grab enough bags when I decide to go
>for a walk, and simply pull the Snickers and GORP baggies out for
>walking snacks. By the end of the day I have a ziplock filled with
>tonight's dinner, and could use the bag to rehydrate if I were so
>organized.
>
>Bill.....
>(trying to stifle the temptation to wonder about non-innate holes)
>
>--- Leslie Booher <lwbooher@halifax.com> wrote:
>> Generally, grocery/shopping bags are not good for pack use, IMO.
>> They have
>> too many innate holes, and they're thin and flimsy.  They're good
>> only for
>> hanging on trees and bushes on the sides of the interstate.  Putting
>> them on
>> the foot of your sleeping bag may be a good use for them, and they
>> don't
>> weigh anything to speak of.  I use a garbage (the 33 gal or so ones
>> meant
>> for leaves) bag for the foot of my sleeping bag when I'm cold, but it
>> does
>> contribute to condensation.  I like 1 gallon zipper freezer bags for
>> most
>> things in my pack.  The freezer bags are sturdier and stand up to
>> more
>> abuse.  The gallon size packs more readily.  I tried larger ones, but
>> they
>> didn't have the versatility that the gallon ones have.  Leslie
>> (anklebear)
>
>
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