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[at-l] Re: Camping Fee for Trail Days--- [1/2]
- Subject: [at-l] Re: Camping Fee for Trail Days--- [1/2]
- From: lwbooher@halifax.com (Leslie Booher)
- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:14:58 -0500
Thank you for your kind response. I was just reminding you that, if you =
charge a camping fee, we're entering into a contract, and that gives you =
a larger responsibility for my welfare. =20
Leslie Booher =20
484 Mountain Road=20
Halifax, VA 24558
(804) 476-6473
lwbooher@halifax.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Apple Tree B&B in Damascus, VA <appletree@naxs.com>
To: Leslie Booher <lwbooher@halifax.com>
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: Camping Fee for Trail Days--- [1/2]
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DEAR LESLIE,
please see following response to similar email message:
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Hi Michael,
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Thank you for your interest in Trail Days, and your loyalty to the =
Festival for six years. I apologize for not responding to your question =
the day you sent it, I have been processing material for Trail Days =
until 1 - 3 am nightly, and getting bombed by email virus attempts every =
other night. =20
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First, the tent fee is A TENT FEE. The fee is $10 per tent for up =
to 5 nights, not per person. =20
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To answer your question as to how-come, I need to first explain that =
Damascus Appalachian Trail Days Festival and the Town of Damascus are =
not one in the same creature. The Festival is run by volunteers =
working under the Damascus Parks and Recreation Commission. The =
Commission IS part of town government.
The Volunteers work for no more than a volunteer tee-shirt.
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The Festival is funded by sponsorships and contributions collected =
mostly form local merchants, sale of tee-shirts, and booth rental fees =
form food, crafts, products, and service venders. THE TOWN FRONTS THE =
MONEY FOR THE FESTIVAL so we can hire bands, rent equipment, rent the =
Rock School Auditorium, rent portable toilets ($900 worth last year), =
pay for trash disposal (I have a state grant this year to help with =
trash), and order the tee-shirts. We turn collected funds back to the =
town. =20
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The ATD Festival committee tries very hard to show a profit each =
year for two reasons. The following year's front money is never more =
than we produce from the current Festival. This means if we don't =
"grow" the funds we won't have as much next year to spend on music, etc. =
The other reason is that Parks and Recreation, with town approval, can =
use the profits to purchase equipment that benefits future Trail Days =
Festivals.
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Over the past few years we have been able to spend more money on =
better bands, more events, and better publicity. We have bought several =
tents , some signs and banners, a sound system, a golf cart, and =
blacktoped the dance area at the town Gazebo. Almost all of the =
purchases are used by the Commission throughout the year and do benefit =
the entire town.=20
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OK, HERE IS WHAT ALL THIS PREAMBLE LEADS UP TO:
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The town, contrary to some beliefs, is not getting rich off of Trail =
Days.
The usual "you is gettin' rich" argument ALWAYS mentions big sales =
taxes from sales, and Fat Wealthy Merchants. =20
The sales tax collected in Damascus is split between the =
Commonwealth of Virginia, other towns and counties, and Damascus. Our =
cut ain't that much! Damascus gets more sales tax revenue from the =
Wal-Mart complex located 25 miles form here than our town takes in an =
entire year, including TRAIL DAYS. =20
There are only 29 merchants in Damascus. Some of us ARE GETTING =
FAT. But we are not getting rich off the town or it's visitors. =
(although I feel that anyone with the courage to invest time energy and =
money in a business has every right to earn as much as he can honestly =
and morally). It is those same merchants who contribute to the Trail =
Days funds so we can have a festival.
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Over half of our business owners do not live in Damascus. So out of =
a population of roughly 1000, employees of most of the 29 businesses, 14 =
resident business owners, and a few crafts sellers in the park make =
money from the Festival. OVER HALF of our town citizens are on fixed =
incomes. The only benefit they get from Trail Days is listening to the =
music, getting a little excitement in town, selling a few things at the =
TOWN WIDE YARD SALE, and getting to meet some really nice people who are =
passing through town on the AT.
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NOW HERE COMES THE TENT FEES:
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The Festival Committee does not pay for the police overtime and the =
extra 14 officers hired during Trail Days. The Committee does not pay =
for the THREE public restroom facilities we have in Damascus (two with =
showers).
Trail Days also does not pay for getting the parks ready for the =
event either. =20
It takes a BUNCH of cost to cover these items when 20,000 people use =
them. =20
The expense is covered by the 1000 citizens, or at least the part =
who can pay town taxes each year. =20
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When Trail Days started 15 years ago, it was not much of an expense =
dealing with less than 100 people who showed up. It has become a large =
expense now. The Town Council and Mayor approved a $10 per tent for up =
to 5 days camping fee for Trail Days visitors who camp on town property. =
Trail Days is the only time of the year camping is permitted in town on =
town property. Council also approved allowing Non-profit Organizations =
camping privileges on town property for up to three days for $2 per =
camper throughout the year. Yes, that includes Boy and Girl Scouts. =
(the Scout leaders claim our fee is the best bargain they have found in =
the Southeast. The National Forests charge more than Damascus does.)
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It comes down to this, Michael, if anyone wants to come to Trail =
Days, tell them they are welcome. If they can't afford the $10 tent =
fee, they can still come. Tent outside of town in the National Forest, =
hike in, attend the events, renew acquaintances and make new friends, =
drop by Quincys or Dots, hike back out to the woods, and have a good =
time.
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Please also mention that drinking alcoholic beverages in public is =
still against the law, uninvited camping on private land is also against =
the law, and vandalism is not a good way to promote warm feelings in =
the town populace either.
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I know that I have taken a lot of space laying out Damascus' case =
but I do think everyone needs all the information, at least as far as I =
see it. Any opposing views or opinions should have the courtesy to =
identify themselves and have their facts straight.
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John Reese
Chairman Damascus Parks & Recreation Commission
Chairman Appalachian Trail Days 2001
Council member,Town of Damascus, Virginia
Fat local Merchant
appletree@naxs.com
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Paton=20
To: John Reese=20
Cc: lamb@naxs.com ; trailtown@damascus.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: Trail Days Tent Fees?
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Mr. Reese,
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My name is Michael Paton, and I am the founder and co-author of =
a popular web site for long distance hikers (Hiker-Trash.com). I have =
been attending Damascus Trail Days since 1995, and haven't missed any =
since. I really enjoy coming back to Damascus every year to renew =
acquaintances, and meeting new ones. =20
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I was reading on the Damascus.org web site that this year there =
will be a $10 per person charge to tent camp on the public property. =
Would you take a moment to reply and let me know the reasons why this =
year Damascus has decided to charge the hikers a fee?
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Having been a thru-hiker myself, I know how much Damascus meant =
to me while I was a thru-hiker. I have been staying in tune to the =
hiking community and "The Trail" every since. I would like to let you =
know that it is my opinion that this fee will spoil the "atmosphere" and =
the traditions of Trail Days. The fee will drive the current and =
returning hikers to camp illegally on private land, or skip the =
festivities all together. It may also have the effect of vandalism, due =
to irate hikers being charged the fee. This WILL ultimately spoil Trail =
Days as we knew it.
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I will wait for your reply.
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Sincerely,
Michael Paton
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Leslie Booher=20
To: trailtown@damascus.org ; appletree@naxs.com ; lamb@naxs.com=20
Cc: List AT=20
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: Camping Fee for Trail Days---
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Dear Trail Days organizers---
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It has been brought to our (hikers') attention that the town of =
Damascus
plans to initiate a $10 camping fee for anyone camped on town =
property for
Trail Days. I am willing to pay this fee with some improvements =
on your
part.
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For my $10, I expect lots and lots of hot water in the restrooms =
right
around the corner from the Post Office, so that I don't have to =
have a cold
shower every day. I expect lots and lots and lots of toilet =
paper in the
restrooms, so that I don't have to go buy packages of toilet =
paper to
contribute to the town, as I did last year. I expect you to =
have all
toilets flowing at all times, so that one of the toilets in the =
lady's room
isn't always plugged up; in that same vein, I expect there to be =
enough
toilet plungers so that every stall has one at all times, so =
that we can at
least make an effort to keep everything working properly---last =
year, every
time we needed a plunger, it had been removed from the bathroom. =
Doors on
the toilet stalls would be helpful.
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If I'm to pay $10, I would also expect to have a marked off area =
as mine,
with no one else's guy wires, stakes, dogs, garbage, etc., =
infringing on my
territory. A laid out walking path would be excellent, too, so =
that no one
has to trip over my tent trying to get to their own.
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If our responsibility is to pay a camping fee, then you have =
certain
obligations to fulfill in return. Some of us volunteered our =
time to help
Trail Days be the wonderful event it was. Are we expected to =
volunteer and
pay, too? If we pay a fee to camp, can we expect a higher level =
of security
in the camping areas?
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Think about this plan for a camping fee just a bit more. You =
might find
that you are getting into territory that you'd rather not =
travel.
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Sincerely---
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Leslie Booher
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